Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-07 Thread Don Higgins
Gabe, all I look forward to the article, and hope you make lots of money with it! Alas I was born in 1945 instead of 1946 so you will have to take my input with a grain of salt. I planned to be a power plant engineer and did my master's theses on power plant steam cycle process control

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Comstock
Gabe Goldberg wrote: Steve Comstock wrote: So, I'm _older_ than a baby boomer (based on your definition below; I was born in 1944). But I'll keep working because I enjoy the work _and_ because I need to. Thanks for quick reply -- you're first in line! I was quoting a generational definition,

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-07 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:00:03 -0500, Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do people plan to work as long as they're able? Because of enjoyable jobs? From necessity? For other reasons? Well, it is not just for the money, but let's be honnest: if there weren't any money, or if I would have enough

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-07 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Gabe, I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth. I started out as a computer operator, after going to a 10 month programming class at Herzing Institutes, which was also called ECPI (Electronic Computer Programming Institute). I worked for 8 years doing that. I started on a 360 Mod 40, and after 2

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-07 Thread Anton Britz
Seeing that it's Friday and we are talking about these things, I remembered some IBM trainers/lectures that I was fortunate to have met : a) Willy Gholler ( I hope I am spelling this correctly but this is my memory speaking ) About 1978 - 1990 IMS/DL1 trainer and lecturer in Johannesburg,

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. ibm system mag article done a couple yrs ago (slightly garbled some details): Making History; Unofficial historian's dedication to the industry still thrives

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-07 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Steve Comstock wrote: So, I'm _older_ than a baby boomer (based on your definition below; I was born in 1944). But I'll keep working because I enjoy the work _and_ because I need to. Thanks for quick reply -- you're first in line! I was quoting a generational definition, not setting one. As

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Steve Comstock
Gabe Goldberg wrote: (Sorry for cross-posting...) I'm writing an article for CA about baby-boom mainframers (that's me too, my first job out of college in 1968 was with IBM in Poughkeepsie) about what we're all doing and seeing and facing in our careers. Do people plan to work as long as

Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Gabe Goldberg
(Sorry for cross-posting...) I'm writing an article for CA about baby-boom mainframers (that's me too, my first job out of college in 1968 was with IBM in Poughkeepsie) about what we're all doing and seeing and facing in our careers. Do people plan to work as long as they're able? Because of

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Anton Britz
Steve, You have been around to block, so lets try and ask more questions before we get into a debate about 1944 or 1945 ex. a) What is Mr. Goldberg trying to achieve ., Sales for CA or sensation/hysteria b) What lists are you cross posting too c) How much money are you getting for the

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread John McKown
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:00:03 -0500, Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Sorry for cross-posting...) I'm writing an article for CA about baby-boom mainframers (that's me too, my first job out of college in 1968 was with IBM in Poughkeepsie) about what we're all doing and seeing and facing in

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Bob Shannon
Gabe Goldberg has been in the industry for a long time, longer than you or me. He has written numerous articles for various publications as well as a book on Rexx Programming. He's a long time contributor to this list and dates back to the VM Share system that was hosted at McGill University.

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:00:03 -0500, Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably should respond off-list, but I'm goig to do it here. ... Do people plan to work as long as they're able? Because of enjoyable jobs? From necessity? For other reasons? ... How painfully timely. Working as a

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Tony Harminc
On 2008-11-06 Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) What is Mr. Goldberg trying to achieve ., Sales for CA or sensation/hysteria b) What lists are you cross posting too c) How much money are you getting for the information we will provide you d) How long have you been in the Mainframe

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Scott Ford
Subject: Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:00:03 -0500, Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I probably should respond off-list, but I'm goig to do it here. ... Do people plan to work as long as they're able? Because of enjoyable jobs? From necessity? For other

Re: Query: Mainframers look forward and back

2008-11-06 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Anton Britz asked some questions -- Do you read the two current independent mainframe magazines z/Journal and Mainframe Executive? I've written dozens of articles for for them and their predecessors (4300 Quarterly, Mainframe Journal, Enterprise Systems Journal, etc.) for 20+ years. I