Re: Scotts new role

2008-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 11/03/2007 at 06:09 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How could you respect anyone that worked for CA? A bit superficial, what? Yes, CA has done some things that I considered to be unethical[1], but so has IBM. but to leave a company and essentially sell their

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-05 Thread Mark Zelden
Can't we just vote Eg off the island? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-05 Thread Dave Danner
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:09:43 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How could you respect anyone that worked for CA? I don't know (or care) about his reasoning for going to work for the evil empire, that is his prerogative. Sure there were some people way back when who got bought out by CA and

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-05 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip Ed questioning Scott's judgment is laughable - kind of like Homer Simpson questioning Einstein (sorry Homer). Scott had some very good reasons for making this move and he was under no obligation to announce it to anyone - certainly not here.

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-05 Thread John Chase
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:44:38 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote: Can't we just vote Eg off the island? That would (properly) be Darren's call, even if a vote to do so were unanimous. And he could always re-subscribe with a pseudonym, from a different email address. About the best we can do is to simply

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-05 Thread Russell Witt
Ed, You even got that wrong. I was hired directly by CA way back in 1988. The first and only software company I ever worked for (spent over 10-years as a sysprog in the trenches first). But thanks for the back-handed compliment. Russell Witt Proud CA Employee .. snip. Poor Russell he

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-05 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:51:39 -0600, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The Tech staffs of the various ISV's that I've worked with have been helpful, highly competent, responsive and easy to deal with. The fact that we may find marketting and pricing policies truly reprehensible has not,

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-04 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I thought of retitling this post In Defence of CA, but then I didn't. I think CA deserves some of its bad reputation, especially in the pricing area. I know when I worked at PH, they tried to make us buy a new license for database product when a sister company of ours moved their

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-04 Thread Arthur T.
On 4 Nov 2007 04:39:54 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Bielefeld) wrote: When Ed Gould makes like CA is the evil empire, it really reflects badly on Ed. As further evidence that working for CA doesn't suck out one's soul, here is

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I must have missed something, when did you (Ted MacNeil) become unemployed? June 6, 2007 -- down-sized for the second time in 3 years. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Shane
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 07:53 -0500, Scott Fagen wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:05:24 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I respected the IBM Scott. Gee. I guess respect is conferred based on employment? Normally I just ignore the stupidity of Ed G, but this was totally uncalled for. Pull your head in

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Scotts new role On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 07:53 -0500, Scott Fagen wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:05:24 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I respected the IBM Scott

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Ed Gould
On Nov 3, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Shane wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 07:53 -0500, Scott Fagen wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:05:24 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I respected the IBM Scott. Gee. I guess respect is conferred based on employment? Normally I just ignore the stupidity of Ed G, but this was

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Campbell Jay
: Re: Scotts new role On Nov 3, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Shane wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 07:53 -0500, Scott Fagen wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:05:24 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I respected the IBM Scott. Gee. I guess respect is conferred based on employment? Normally I just ignore the stupidity

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- I respected the IBM Scott. Gee. I guess respect is conferred based on employment? Normally I just ignore the stupidity of Ed G, but this was totally uncalled for. Pull your head in Ed, or everyone will have you on

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
How could you respect anyone that worked for CA? People don't have many choices, these days. If I had a choice, I'd rather work for CA than be unemployed (as I am). You respect people for what they are! NOT for what they do for a living! But, your vindictive and ad hominem posts are very

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Roland Schiradin
Oh well I agree 100%. I just changed my client and nobody cares as I didn't change my brain. All I know is still where and I all miss also. Who care about Scott. It's just a change and I never recognize this change. It's just up to him

Re: Scotts new role

2007-11-03 Thread Richard Pinion
I must have missed something, when did you (Ted MacNeil) become unemployed? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Scotts new role Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 00:44:52 + How could you respect anyone