Jon Brock wrote:
Thanks for the tip. I have avoided FROMNETWORK in the past since we
haven't configured cryptographic services, but I may give it a shot next
time.
Crypto services (ICSF) takes half an hour to establish.
Fine print
Assumed you have crypto HW enabled
Planning not included
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
Strange, I could have sworn you were one of the vocal
dissenters when IBM did away with JOBCAT and STEPCAT. Not
all progress is in the forward direction.
I think that was Ed Gould
: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being
forced to
use it for completely unrelated functions.
One uses the most convenient tools available.
c all /Unix/VSAM
TSO line edit? XEDIT?
snip
Just out of curiosity, which editor supports that syntax. I know ISPF
would use c all Unix VSAM and I have a vague recollection of vi or
some Unix editor using s/Unix/VSAM but I've never seen the two mixed
before.
.
.
.
One uses the most convenient tools available.
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I still despise VSAM at times. Like right now due to not
being
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On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
I don't
snip-
I still despise VSAM at times. Like right now due to not being able to
share an open VSAM file across z/OS images. Granted, this is a
documented restriction. But our programmers don't really care, they just
want VSAM to work the way that __they__ want
Does the Internet receive still require cryptographic services?
Jon
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my notes on it.
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Does the Internet receive still require cryptographic
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No it doesn't, but check back thru the archives for the past 6 months.
I had an issue where I don't have crypto, either in hardware or in the
appropriate level of JAVA
, May 06, 2008 1:36 PM
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Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
No it doesn't, but check back thru the archives for the past 6 months.
I had an issue where I don't have crypto, either in hardware or in the
appropriate level of JAVA, and hit some snags due to incorrect DDDEF
My adventure with ShopzSeries:
I ordered JAVA SDK for z/OS. It is free product/ I can dowlnload it from
IBM webpage without any paperwork. However web-downloadable form is
non-SMP/E. SMP/E package is only from ShopZ - but it's still free of
charge. But not free of paperwork. It took several
On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 11:24 +0200, R.S. wrote:
OK, time for my pills...
Be sure to wash them down with a dark rum ... ;0)
Shane ...
(apparently makes the pills work better)
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Snipped: why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
Not all of us like messing around with the convoluted USS path, that's
why.
Daniel McLaughlin
Z-Series Systems Programmer
Information Communications Technology
Crawford Company
4680 N. Royal Atlanta
Tucker GA 30084
phone:
Daniel McLaughlin wrote:
Snipped: why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
Not all of us like messing around with the convoluted USS path, that's
why.
Time to learn new tricks ? vbg
But seriously, it is not only matter of big HFS and managing (long)
pathnames. It is also
convoluted USS path?
I guess, I've never considered USS convoluted, depends on how you have
your shop set up. I'll take download anyday over having to deal with tapes.
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My adventure with ShopzSeries:
I ordered JAVA SDK for z/OS. It is free product/ I can
dowlnload it from IBM webpage without any paperwork. However
web-downloadable form is non-SMP/E. SMP/E package is only
Chase, John wrote:
[...]
You didn't mention how long you've been registered with Shopz, or how
long Shopz has been available in Europe.
It has been available for quite long time, but limited to service.
Now it's available for product ordering as well.
But I had a similar experience
when I
When federal legal restrictions (not company policy) prohibit
connection, age and popularity become somewhat irrelevant.
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From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:54 PM
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I guess
I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
use it for completely unrelated functions.
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From: Timothy Sipples [mailto:snip]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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Barry Schwarz
I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
use it for completely unrelated functions.Have to agree with Barry
on this one!
Daniel McLaughlin
Z-Series Systems Programmer
Information Communications Technology
Crawford Company
4680 N. Royal Atlanta
Tucker GA
We ran MVT without USS and we LIKED it!
Daniel McLaughlin
Z-Series Systems Programmer
Information Communications Technology
Crawford Company
4680 N. Royal Atlanta
Tucker GA 30084
phone: 770-621-3256
fax: 770-621-3237
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.crawfordandcompany.com
Best
will be simulated
in file systems?
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From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:16 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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exactly, and it has included Unix for quite awhile now, O/E first showed
up with MVS V4
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I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
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All of you are starting to show your age Something you setup once,
and forget.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jousma, David
All of you are starting to show your age Something you
setup once, and forget.
Indeed. If you don't occasionally learn some new tricks, your
audience will get bored and wander off...
, disk, drum, cell, display terminal/keyboard, and now
file system.
Why would compressing a file be that much different than compressing a
dataset?
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From: Paul Gilmartin [mailto:snip]
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:26 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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Daniel McLaughlin wrote:
We ran MVT without USS and we LIKED it!
Daniel McLaughlin
Oh, sure. And I fought it tooth and nail for a while, too.
But I've come to find out it can be kinda' fun. And on no
other platform can you do all the ol' fun stuff and the
new fun stuff at the same time.
Oh, sure. And I fought it tooth and nail for a while, too.
But I've come to find out it can be kinda' fun. And on no other platform can
you do all the ol' fun stuff and the new fun stuff at the same time.
I've used UNIX since 1976, so I was always pleased that IBM introduced USS to
MVS.
I have
On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:06:22 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
I really have to question whether reading or writing a file is that much
easier than dealing with a dataset. In fact, one of the selling points
used to be that DD names made your program device independent. A
At one time, that was
On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
use it for completely unrelated functions.
One uses the most convenient tools available.
c all /Unix/VSAM/
... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple
: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
One uses the most convenient tools available.
c all /Unix/VSAM/
... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple decades.
History repeats itself
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to
the internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still
need maintenance.
And while we are on the subject, why does an internet
On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:13:43 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to the
internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still need
maintenance.
Get a laptop running Solaris, OS X, Linux, or Windows.
Step A:
- Connect the laptop to the
exactly, and it has included Unix for quite awhile now, O/E first showed up
with MVS V4
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:14 PM
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Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system
Sorry - I must vent here.
Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process.
Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So
when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I
selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just
:
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Sorry - I must vent here.
Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process
Haven't had that particular issue.
ordered z/OS 1.8 from Shopzseries in October 2006 and it did the download
just fine, no license issues.
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Subject: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
Sorry - I must vent here.
Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process.
Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of
products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL
LICENSES screen
Lizette,
I ran into this when I ordered 1.7, but I had uploaded a fresh (and complete)
consolidated inventory report, so it just caused a minor delay and a phone call
to get the process moving again. When I ordered 1.8 (just under the wire time
wise), I had to order without a consolidated
why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
ftp download, MUCH NICER
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I think
Linda,
Yes my shop loves the internet process for serverpac. This came about
because our z/OS V1.7 order was incorrectly created and somehow in that
process IBM appears to have lost our license for PSF even though it is
installed and properly licensed. I will definitely spend some time at the
wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one.
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From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
ftp download, MUCH NICER
dataset? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one.
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From: Bobbie Justice [mailto:snip]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:23 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Shop zSeries Ordering Issues
why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
ftp download, MUCH
Barry Schwarz writes:
If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one.
You did. :-) z/OS includes UNIX(TM).
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