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Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I was quoted a list price of (IIRC) $250K for an ICF, while
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Edward E Jaffe wrote:
I presume the reason is that an ICF engine has more moving parts and
precision components forged from precious metals -- requiring higher
manufacturing costs. These
Yes, I am absolutely sure. I was quoted a list price of (IIRC) $250K for an
ICF, while zIIPs were priced at $95K, and I had quite a discussion with them on
the matter.
Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/12/2008 5:08 AM
The list prices for IFL, zIIP zAAP have no bearing on ICF. IBM charges
I was quoted a list price of (IIRC) $250K for an ICF, while zIIPs were priced
at $95K, and I had quite a discussion with them on the matter.
At the last presentation I was at (about a year ago), I was told they were all
the same, IIRC.
But, I could be wrong.
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Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I was quoted a list price of (IIRC) $250K for an ICF, while zIIPs were priced
at $95K, and I had quite a discussion with them on the matter.
At the last presentation I was at (about a year ago), I was told they were all
the same, IIRC.
But, I could be wrong.
An
Edward E Jaffe wrote:
I presume the reason is that an ICF engine has more
moving parts and precision components forged from
precious metals -- requiring higher manufacturing
costs. These costs are passed on to the consumer in
the form of higher prices... :-D ;-) O:-)
Ed, I've met you.
William H. Blair wrote:
... You
certainly already know the reason ICF engines are more
expensive is that the collision insurance rates are up
for the newest, faster models.
Bill, I was not aware of that! I knew there had to be a logical
rationale behind the higher ICF price. (I was
The list prices for IFL, zIIP zAAP have no bearing on ICF. IBM charges more
for an ICF than the other specialty engines, and I'm not sure that the free
upgrade applies either.
Are you sure?
The whole pricing algorithm started with ICF's (the first specialty engine).
But, I can't find the
It certainly was hard to find, but I finally did find a reference to
carrying forward your specialty engines when you get a newer technology
machine. Here is the full path (watch the wrap):
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/ae/events/doc/system_z/1
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Subject: Re: Specialty Engine Prices (Was: Another RNL question)
John McKown writes:
Hum, then I wonder
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Thanks for the information. I might ask my manager. But I
might not because the mainframe is going away. We don't
know when ...
Second Tuesday of next week is usually as good a prediction as
Edward Jaffe wrote:
John McKown wrote:
We pressed for a parallel sysplex, but it was too expensive and
not worth the cost ($175,000 US for a CFL was what I was told we
were quoted. Firm price, no futher discounts, pay up or forget it.)
ITYM an ICF not CFL (Canadian Football League). $175K
Hi Ed,
Re. you saying:
. And remember, unlike
general CPs, specialty engines are carried forward for life.
Specifically, if you buy an ICF now, you will get one included, at no
extra charge, on every replacement/upgrade System z processor you
purchase from IBM in the future.
Is this true
Is this true too for zIIPs zAAPs?
I suppose it's not for IFLs?
It's true for all the specialty engines.
The arrangement came out before zIIPs zAAPs and was originally announced for
IFLs.
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Hi Ted (and/or Ed),
Is this documented somewhere in an official IBM document?
jan
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Onderwerp: Re: Specialty Engine Prices (Was: Another RNL question
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
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Subject: Re: Specialty Engine Prices (Was: Another RNL question)
Is this true too for zIIPs zAAPs?
I suppose
The list prices for IFL, zIIP zAAP have no bearing on ICF. IBM charges more
for an ICF than the other specialty engines, and I'm not sure that the free
upgrade applies either.
Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/7/2008 2:54 AM
Edward Jaffe wrote:
John McKown wrote:
We pressed for a parallel
Jan Vanbrabant wrote:
Hi Ted (and/or Ed),
Is this documented somewhere in an official IBM document?
jan
I'm not sure exactly where this is documented in the maze of IBM
announcements and related material. But, in this February 2008 IT Jungle
article by Hesh Wiener, he summarizes the
I wonder why when we went from a z890 to a z9BC, I lost my IFL?
I don't know, either.
But, I do know of shops where it worked.
For confidentiality reasons, I cannot name them.
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John McKown writes:
Hum, then I wonder why when we went from a z890 to a z9BC, I lost my
IFL? No, I'm not going to complain. I don't much care anymore.
Did someone tell IBM to turn it off? That is a choice.
The only reason I can think of off the top of my head that someone might do
that is that
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