: Re: WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX ?
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 09/22/2005
at 04:00 PM, Clark, Kevin D, HRC-Alexandria/EDS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
A need a quick consciences on installing websphere applications and
some non-IBM products on the mainframe Z/os 1.4
Linux is built with gcc. Dignus offers a z/Linux C compiler, but I've
never
heard that it could build the kernel. I don't know of an IBM C product
that creates z/Linux executables. The z/OS compiler has some ASCII
support,
but that's a far leap from targetting an ASCII OS.
gcc is indeed the
It depends but for us Yes. If 3 Linux images was to become 30 images for
production z/VM is mandatory since I don't have a z9 sitting around and we
run some other work.
What has not been mentioned is that if you don't have z/VM automation of
many images becomes much more complex. What's the
Thanks. I presumed this, but haven't had any closer view of Linux
used on zSeries so Your opinion give a valuable confirmation.
Thomas Berg
== Knutson, Sam == wrote2005-09-27 03:58:
It depends but for us Yes. If 3 Linux images was to become 30 images for
production z/VM is
From: Brian Westerman
I think that most existing z/800 and z/890 processor
complexes probably already have been delivered with an IFL, and not to use
it by running a z/Linux LPAR is really a waste. I also agree that if you
have to pay for one now, that a Zaap is a pretty good deal and can
Linux may be free, but try and get IBM to support their software on
the free Linux. IBM's software lists SUSE, United Linux, or RH as
requirments, all of these charge you per ILF for the right to run their
free software on your box. IIRC SUSE is $18K per processor.
It is SUSE and RH who
Of course I meant support for Linux, not for IBM sw.
On 9/25/05, Marian Gasparovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Linux may be free, but try and get IBM to support their software on
the free Linux. IBM's software lists SUSE, United Linux, or RH as
requirments, all of these charge you per ILF for
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 09/22/2005
at 04:00 PM, Clark, Kevin D, HRC-Alexandria/EDS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
A need a quick consciences on installing websphere applications and
some non-IBM products on the mainframe Z/os 1.4
That's fairly old; have you considered upgrading?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/24/2005
at 09:17 PM, Thomas Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Are You saying that from a management and/or operations view, z/VM is
mandatory to get full/enough value out of deploying Linux on zSeries
?
I read his message as saying that if he goes production then he
Marian Gasparovic wrote:
Of course I meant support for Linux, not for IBM sw.
On 9/25/05, Marian Gasparovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Linux may be free, but try and get IBM to support their software on
the free Linux. IBM's software lists SUSE, United Linux, or RH as
requirments, all of
On Sep 25, 2005, at 9:32 PM, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote:
-SNIP
Yes, I know, but my point was that Linux was not free if you want to
run IBM products on it and get support for the IBM products.
You can download the required kernel mods and
I'm going to quote a couple different people for some comments...
Linux may be free, but try and get IBM to support their software on
the free Linux. IBM's software lists SUSE, United Linux, or RH as
requirments, all of these charge you per ILF for the right to run their
free software on your
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
On Sep 25, 2005, at 9:32 PM, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote:
-SNIP
Yes, I know, but my point was that Linux was not free if you want to
run IBM products on it and get support for the IBM products.
You
z/VM isn't cheap.
It depends on your definition of cheap.
I was at the z9 109 RoadShow in Toronto this past Tuesday, and IBM told us that
z/VM cost $25,000; an IFL cost $125,000 and zLINUX was free.
-teD
In God we Trust!
All others bring data!
-- W. Edwards Deming
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
z/VM isn't cheap.
It depends on your definition of cheap.
I was at the z9 109 RoadShow in Toronto this past Tuesday, and IBM told us that
z/VM cost $25,000; an IFL cost $125,000 and zLINUX was free.
-teD
In God we Trust!
All others bring data!
-- W. Edwards Deming
Some ramblings on free zLinux.
z/VM is inexpensive relative to z/OS. I see z/VM as becoming more strategic
in large zSeries sites between Linux on zSeries and CCL as a 3745
alternative. If CCL is well received IBM may further invest in zSeries
specific solutions to z/OS problems intended
Are You saying that from a management and/or operations view, z/VM is mandatory
to get full/enough value out of deploying Linux on zSeries ?
Thomas Berg
== Knutson, Sam == wrote2005-09-24 19:38:
Some ramblings on free zLinux.
z/VM is inexpensive relative to z/OS. I see
In addition to the previously mentioned points, several more:
1. If you can manage to get up to z/OS 1.6 and z890, z990, or z9 hardware,
you are eligible for zAAPs. zAAPs are quite financially attractive -- so
much so that it's worth getting there if you run anything but trivial Java
workload.
I agree with most of what everone has added to this thread, and I wanted to
point out again that z/VM, while it's a nice product to have, is just way
too expensive and quite unnecessary to use for just a small number of
z/Linux LPARs. I think that most existing z/800 and z/890 processor
complexes
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'tis indeeed.
Freudian slip - I was compiling a kernel in another session
at the time I wrote that.
Linux + vmlinuz - Linuz
Not bad - maybe I should copywrite that ...
pedantry
ITYM copyright.
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Subject:WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX ?
Hello All,
A need a quick consciences on installing websphere applications and some
non-IBM products on the mainframe Z/os 1.4
Should I use Z/OS USS only.
Or
Install LINUX on Z/OS and install the products on LINUX
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX ?
Hello All,
A need a quick consciences on installing websphere
applications and some non-IBM products on the mainframe Z/os 1.4
Should I use Z/OS USS only.
Or
Install LINUX on Z/OS and install
Hello All,
A need a quick consciences on installing websphere applications and some
non-IBM products on the mainframe Z/os 1.4
Should I use Z/OS USS only.
Or
Install LINUX on Z/OS and install the products on LINUX.
Thanks...
If you can install LINUX under z/OS, please do so and tell all of us how you
did it. But so far Linux runs in an LPAR or under z/VM.
But my feelings about your real question (to use z/OS USS or something else) is
to use what you are familiar with and what your management is familiar with.
Going
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Subject: WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX ?
Hello All,
A need
Correct I meant Z/VM. But you point on cost is good.
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Of McKown, John
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:15 PM
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Subject: Re: WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX
Interesting (first) point - the support costs are a no brainer.
From what I can gather, Linuz on zSeries (as in little zed) has been a
spectacular failure in this part of the world.
Wonder if issues such as this (which I hadn't even thought of) contribute to
the inertia.
Shane ...
From: McKown,
, 2005 4:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX ?
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark, Kevin D,
HRC-Alexandria/EDS
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:00 PM
To: IBM-MAIN
From what I can gather, Linuz on zSeries (as in little zed) has been a
spectacular failure in this part of the world.
...
It's LINUX.
But, I know of a couple of places that have had great success.
One of them being the Government of Quebec.
As with anything, you need people who can find their
'tis indeeed.
Freudian slip - I was compiling a kernel in another session at the time I
wrote that.
Linux + vmlinuz - Linuz
Not bad - maybe I should copywrite that ...
Shane ...
From: Ted MacNEIL
...
It's LINUX.
--
For
ibm-main wrote:
Not bad
Agreed.
- maybe I should copywrite that ...
Or better yet, copyRIGHT it.
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From: Edward E. Jaffe
Or better yet, copyRIGHT it.
Nah - only Linus can get away with that.
In the open/free world copyleft (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html)
is the go.
Shane ...
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