Walt Farrell pisze:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:55:18 -0500, Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Hi, Radoslaw -- I just thought I'd point out that due to a complexity of the
English language you probably meant not very valuable rather than
invaluable.
My sincere apologies to Radoslaw for
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:44:36 -0500, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com
wrote:
Yes, I know CoBOL, JCL, Java, and No, I don't lisp.
Yeth, I know CoBOL, J-Thee-L Java, and No, I don't Lithp. :-)
Whose cruel joke was it to spell lisp with an s, anyway?
Art
CHANGE 'invaluable' 'worthless' ALL
My $0.02:
I saw some SMF reformatters. Home-made and commercial. IMHO the problem
lies not in the format of the SMF records, rather in the *meaning* of
the data. For example I can reformat RACF records using IRRADU00 tool,
but the out is still invaluable
Hi, Radoslaw -- I just thought I'd point out that due to a complexity of the
English language you probably meant not very valuable rather than
invaluable.
You said For example I can reformat RACF records using IRRADU00 tool,
but the out is still invaluable for the person who doesn't know RACF.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:55:18 -0500, Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Hi, Radoslaw -- I just thought I'd point out that due to a complexity of the
English language you probably meant not very valuable rather than
invaluable.
My sincere apologies to Radoslaw for letting this private note
Don't feel bad Radoslaw, I'm a native English speaker and I still
confuse the term. Given that, I found Walt's post invaluable :-)
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:55:18 -0500, Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Hi, Radoslaw
On 20 Apr 2009 12:47:08 -0700, patrick.oke...@wamu.net (Patrick
O'Keefe) wrote:
I haven't thought about Lisp for about 40 years.
Just out of curiosity, is it actually used outside of academia?
Is it used at all outside of AI work?
As I told the job interviewer:
Yes, I know CoBOL, JCL, Java,
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee
On 20 Apr 2009 12:47:08 -0700, patrick.oke...@wamu.net (Patrick
O'Keefe) wrote:
I haven't thought about Lisp for about 40 years.
Just out of curiosity, is it actually used outside of academia?
Is
Walt Farrell wrote:
Hi, Radoslaw -- I just thought I'd point out that due to a complexity of the
English language you probably meant not very valuable rather
than invaluable.
My sincere apologies to Radoslaw for letting this private note escape to IBM-
MAIN. Apparently the web interface
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:26:53 -0400, David Andrews
d...@lists.duda.com wrote:
[...]
(... or Lisp!) ...
I haven't thought about Lisp for about 40 years.
Just out of curiosity, is it actually used outside of academia?
It is. At least, in
One wonderful thing that the RACF people have been doing lately is the
ability to reformat their SMF data into XML format. This made me wonder.
Does anybody else think that this would be useful for most, if not all, of
the SMF data? One reason that I like it very much is that I can then ftp the
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:51 -0400, John McKown wrote:
Does anybody else think that [SMF data as XML] would be useful for
most, if not all, of the SMF data?
Some places generate an awful lot of SMF data!
With XML, I can more easily write my own stuff in Java or a number of
other languages
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:51:03 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote:
One wonderful thing that the RACF people have been doing lately is the
ability to reformat their SMF data into XML format. This made me wonder.
Does anybody else think that this would be useful for most, if not all, of
the
David Andrews pisze:
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:51 -0400, John McKown wrote:
Does anybody else think that [SMF data as XML] would be useful for
most, if not all, of the SMF data?
Some places generate an awful lot of SMF data!
With XML, I can more easily write my own stuff in Java or a number
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:47:09 -0500, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:51:03 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote:
One wonderful thing that the RACF people have been doing lately is the
ability to reformat their SMF data into XML format. This made me wonder.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:54:52 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote:
snip
My $0.02:
I saw some SMF reformatters. Home-made and commercial. IMHO the problem
lies not in the format of the SMF records, rather in the *meaning* of
the data. For example I can reformat RACF records using
'Sick Puppy' ?
I thought that was the definition of mainframe systems programmers...
Could you use the recfm/lrecl of the output datasets to trigger conversion
from EBCDIC to ASCII?
Also a good SMF Reformatter should also include selection criteria so that I
do not have to send ALL the SMF
Taking a queue from the RACF SMF post-
^
processor, which is used is selected via the existence of a specific DD name.
At the risk of going O/T, ITYM 'cue'.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
--
For IBM-MAIN
Simply append an A to your DD names to signal you wish it converted to
ASCII.
Neal Scheffler
John McKown wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:47:09 -0500, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:51:03 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote:
One wonderful
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:38:10 -0500, Thomas Kern thomas.k...@hq.doe.gov wrote:
'Sick Puppy' ?
I thought that was the definition of mainframe systems programmers...
Could you use the recfm/lrecl of the output datasets to trigger conversion
from EBCDIC to ASCII?
Also a good SMF Reformatter should
On 20 Apr 2009 09:57:49 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
David Andrews pisze:
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 10:51 -0400, John McKown wrote:
Does anybody else think that [SMF data as XML] would be useful for
most, if not all, of the SMF data?
Some places generate an awful lot of SMF data!
John McKown wrote:
Does anybody else think that this would be useful for most, if not all, of the
SMF data? One reason that I like it very much is that I can then ftp the XML
formatted data to a PC and run data reduction and report programs on the
data more easily than if I had to write the
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:06:28 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:
snip
Good idea. That is if that 'refomartter' knows how to handle records with
unknown record length. SMF type 30 is a good example.
Not really that difficult.
snip
Not to discourage you, but what
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:26:53 -0400, David Andrews
d...@lists.duda.com wrote:
Does anybody else think that [SMF data as XML] would be useful for
most, if not all, of the SMF data?
...
With XML, I can more easily write my own stuff in Java or a
number of other languages which can handle XML
John,
XML parsing is pretty slow, and for that reason many web technologies
are moving to other serialization techniques.
Some better alternatives may include: JSON, Blaze, Hessian, Google
Protocol Buffers, etc.
All have multiple language bindings, etc.For this purpose, you
want something
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:46:44 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:
John,
XML parsing is pretty slow, and for that reason many web technologies
are moving to other serialization techniques.
Some better alternatives may include: JSON, Blaze, Hessian, Google
Protocol Buffers, etc.
That's why
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:45:58 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
I haven't thought about Lisp for about 40 years.
Just out of curiosity, is it actually used outside of academia?
Is it used at all outside of AI work?
I was about to reapply the sick puppy title, but I hesitate.
For all I know there is a
of the other alternatives you mentioned).
TIA for helping to cure my ignorance.
Peter
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Subject: Re: insane thought
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:19:25 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353
peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:
Kirk,
Pardon my ignorance, but when you say serialization, what do you mean
by that term? Serialization to me has always meant synchronizing
multiple users of the same resource (the classic readers and
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:45 -0400, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
I haven't thought about Lisp for about 40 years.
Just out of curiosity, is it actually used outside of academia?
Is it used at all outside of AI work?
Paul Graham's Viaweb, which became Yahoo Stores, was originally done in
Common Lisp.
Yeah, that's what I meant by serialization.
Think of it as flattening. An SMF record is really a flattening
of, in many cases, a nested object model. But how consumable are SMF
records? It would be nice, IMO, if there were a common schema for
each SMF object that described the structure and
Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:26:53 -0400, David Andrews
d...@lists.duda.com wrote:
Does anybody else think that [SMF data as XML] would be useful for
most, if not all, of the SMF data?
...
With XML, I can more easily write my own stuff in Java or a
number of other languages
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