Those who ride in them, which ones did you choose and why? What
features do you think are important to have on a sidepull? I'm not
leaning towards the kind that cross under the jowl/chin, but the kind
that attach directly to rings on the sides.
Things to consider when deciding on a
Here's an interesting suggestion for a new show class:
http://members.aol.com/LauraWyant/Contest.html
Judy
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Here's some tips and comments from Liz:
http://www.horsesenseradio.com/HTML/archives.cfm
Judy
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http://www1.kitsapsun.com/bsun/local/article/0,2403,BSUN_19088_5258638,00.html
You may have to register (free) to view the article.
Please feel free to forward.
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We are working with our contacts on the Hotmail team to
Renee, I couldn't see any of the pics? How did you send them? I get
individual e-mails, so I can usually see pics sent as an attachment.
I sent them inserted in the email.
Try sending them as attachments rather than inserts.
Judy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J75hWF4MiI
We're just starting to work with Charm on bowing.
Here's her third attempt:
http://iceryder.net/charmbow2.html
She was really interested in eating the grass, but still responded when
asked.
Judy
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We took some short videos of Cookie yawning with the ASL sign for Y:
http://iceryder.net/cookieyawn.html
Please feel free to forward.
Judy
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I had forgotten I had this halter. A
friend gave it to me thinking it might fit my horses.
It's BIG! Looks like Charm needs a larger halter... probably not that size,
tho!
Ljufur had the same blue halter for ten years! I think it was a Double D
halter. And most of the time, it was left
I'm wondering if anyone has tried the pasture method
What is the pasture method?
Judy
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http://iceryder.net/charmbow2.html
That is so cute. How do you do that?
It takes a while, but then if you tally up the minutes here and there, it's
only a very short amount of time in total!
It starts way before the actual bow, I think. Building the relationship,
working on trust.
While
I've only read snippets so far but basically he says that wild horses
spend over half their daily life eating on the move. This increases
during the winter. Domestic horses tend to be stationary, even in
pasture. Horses are natural browsers eating a little of this and that.
Is this
Whenever I was looking for horses in
Iceland I looked at the horse first, rather than whether it was evaluated
or not.
Always a good idea!
(meaning that they have a specific testing standards that every horse in
the
breed is judged on)
If the breed standard was permanent, and didn't
of world class ice-skating performances, gymnastics on ice, dare-devil
acts, technical stunts and music.
Great. Dare-devil acts. Technical stunts. Look at the wording -
does that even make any pretense of horsemanship skill? Nope, just flash
and glitz.
If this were not sad, it would be
It pretty much should be. Little changes in shoeing
should not make or break a horse's gait, it should not
be so sensitive, a well gaited horse should not (will
not) lose gait because of something the farrier did.
Not within the normal realms of shoeing.
i have no knowledge of farriery,
I believe barefoot is now allowed! Is that wrong?
Nope.
http://www.norcaliceclub.org/Idaho_Breeding_Evaluations_Seminar.pdf
Isn't that just ridiculous? I've had my horses barefoot probably 99.5% of
the time for about 16-18 years. Yet, they STILL require shoes for
evaluations...?
I remember a few years ago that we often heard of people buying a
horse and then a few months later the horse mysteriously stopped
gaiting.
So then there were trips back to the orginal trainer for 'tune-up's
and things would go fine for a while and then the horse would stop
gaiting
I can't see my messages or postings. What is wrong? Lorraine
I don't either. Apparently it has something to do with g-mail. That's what
Eric (my computer wizard son) said.
Explain what is happening? When did it start? Are you receiving messages?
Are they blank? or just your own posts?
conformation clincis for non-gaited horses and gaited horses
different? Who has attended both? What were the differences?
Conformation is similar, in general, and different for gait specificness.
You can get tons of information from Dr. Deb's conformation video, but she
doesn't speak to
The movie looks pixilated and poorer quality than the one I took with
my digital camera (Orri Friend).
The server compresses the videos when they are too high in resolution.
Another consideration did you use your zoom when you took this video?
Judy
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holar does teach farriery; gudmar learned it there,
But not state-of-the-art farriery. It seems to be pretty much limited to
horseshoeing.
presumably one can learn state-of-the-art farriery at some
more specialized place, or as an apprentice or somesuch, if
one intends particularly to
For the most part, the iceland-style training works on forcing gait (for
example, with the heavy contact), or obtaining gait mechanically, by
manipulating shoes, angles, weights, concussion, etc.
so you say. i did not, however, see this evident in the one
shod-by-a-holar-alum horse i've
how's that for a bunch of speculating?
Pretty good!
[] Horseshoes with borium
VERY HARD AND VERY SLICK surfaces -- glare ice
and marble floors -- they aren't sharp enough to cut in, and thus i have
to walk a bit more carefully on them. but mostly they keep me from
slipping to the point
For those who love long manes, here's a Morgan.
A few more pictures of Sonny.
Judy
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http://clickryder.com attachment: Sonnynew5a.jpg
My gelding is a tolt machine-no shoes, no boots, and tolts best on a
loose rein! He came with regular shoes. We reset them at the first
trim then left him barefoot for the winter. He is tolting the same as
he did with shoes.
Great! It would be wonderful to see pictures of his tolt on a
By Brandon Carpenter, Part 1
Training is a term we have been conditioned to accept as done through tasks
and by using tools. This is true, but sometimes the tools we use, we cannot
see, taste, hear, smell or physically touch. If we cannot see or touch the
tool how can we use it? The sense we
I want to anlayze that trot and find out if there is something my
naked eye isn't seeing.
This is a good idea, Wanda.
I'll try to get some videos, too. I'll be taking off for a week or so, so
I'm not sure if I can do them before leaving.
Judy
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What does it mean when a horse moves away as soon as I start brushing,
especially the chest area? I've tried a lighter touch and a stronger
touch and my horse does not seem to like to be groomed. He has had
chiro work and did not have any major issues.
Ljufur had his preference for the
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mother not and this is
what we often are looking for.(can also tell you
that the mother is 5 gaited with only 7 for trot
Which back leg is which for the mare?
Judy
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Why do we
continue to have such an
expensive system to participate in?
I think that's exactly it:)
We don't HAVE to accept that system.
Judy
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Gudmar's interview is here:
http://iceryder.net/radioshow.html
Judy
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By Brandon Carpenter, Part 1
This is Part 2:
OK, we've recognized what we are doing; now how do we control it?
This part is so simple it seems hard. Remember, earlier I said thoughts are
things. If you think something, you make it so. You make it so in your
imagination therefore your
what gait? here is a field trialer at the end coming past our
trailer...
Did you happen to switch to video mode?
How fast was this horse going?
Depending on speed, I would say between fox walk and fox trot.
Judy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqASDK1Anwc
It's not coming up for me, Virginia.
Maybe try to upload it on another site as well.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/
or some other one.
Judy
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I've resisted the idea of a separate national
organization up until now, but I think it IS time we do something.
Well, it's not like there isn't another organization already, but it's focus is
about the same as the congress.
It might be nice to have something that places emphasis on the horse,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqASDK1Anwc
I just checked and it came up for me.
Still no load for me.
I did get the one of Gat jumping!
Judy
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i'm fairly sure the rider in the rear is me on stjarni at an actual
trot?
That has a more familiar look for a saddle rack, but hard to tell do you
have the original
version of that image? If you send it to me, I might be able to get a
better closeup.
Judy
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Cheryl sent this a couple of weeks ago. What do you think of this photo?
This is a hard one! Cheryl had agreed to have the photo posted on the
gaitedhorse list, and there were diverse responses, as I recall pace, rack,
canter. My feeling leans towards canter / gallop as the hind legs would
One of the first things that was mentioned is that the Icelandic Horse is
not a pony.
this is a semantic argument.
He gave the wrong information and it is misleading people and
misrepresenting the breed.
And it has another effect:
How do you think he looks to American horsemen when he
http://iceryder.net/pace2.html
Judy
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http://www.marisasano.ca/?p=161
Judy
Since I am on my soapbox. They are called Icelandic HORSES only
because they are horses not ponies..
Hi Christopher, could you explain how you come to the conclusion that the
Icelandics are horses and not ponies? How do you, as an individual,
define
or separately categorize horses
If Iceland has been eating their bad horses for a
thousand years why are there still bad horses to be eaten?
Has something gone wrong with the breeding program?
Is the emphasis on the right things?
Judy
http://www.marisasano.ca/?p=161
Did anyone view this link? What was mentioned about the Icelandics?
Judy
Judy will allow them to keep at it, so she must approve.
It can't be both ways... we can't blame the list owner and claim
there's censorship, and then complain because everyone gets to say
what they want to say.
Obviously, from the list guidelines that are posted biweekly, and from
several
It really would be lovely to have videos like that with Icelandics.
Wasn't there one once with a man from Hungary (?) with his Icelandic?
Honza? I think his horse is a Selle Francais
Honza videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUtLGETKDKU
or:
tinajoyce said:
My gelding is a tolt machine-no shoes, no boots, and tolts best on a
loose rein! He came with regular shoes. We reset them at the first
trim then left him barefoot for the winter. He is tolting the same as
he did with shoes.
Great! It would be wonderful to see pictures of
When the horse screams in the only way he knows...
with body language to make us understand that
something is wrong humans call it protest, stubborn,
spoiled for the horse it is his voice.
I would like a TShirt that says that.
How 'bout this:
http://www.cafepress.com/iceryder.102179562
http://www.anatomyinmotion.com/fschedule.htm
And who says they aren't listening to us!
We can pat ourselves on the back for being good leaders towards good
horsemanship and better riding skills for the horse!
Judy
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http://www.ansursaddle.com/dorsal_supplement_pad.htm
Comments?
Judy
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From Lori:
I have a 16 brown leather FreeWest saddle, used for display only,
that is for sale. If your interested, contact me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...Lori Baker
Fhoenix Agent, Sensation Dealer
http://www.profchoice.com/htmldocs/prd/western/prd/ponyc.html
http://www.montanacincha.com/premiumcinchescatalog.htm
Judy
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knew for sure that Gusti's
harness would work.
Oh, my gosh! Our own list baby, all decked out in harness!
Judy
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Some savvy tips:
http://podcast.parelli.com/Parelli%20Natural%20Horsemanship/Podcast/Podcast.html
Judy
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Abstract:
At least three types of movement take place in the joint complexes of the
equine thoracolumbar spine: dorsoventral flexion and extension, axial
rotation and lateral bending. Using the standard right-handed Cartesian
coordinate system, these movements may be defined as rotation about the
Why do horses buck?
From 100 Ways to Improve Your Horse's Behavior:
Horses usually buck because they are:
[] In pain, usually in the back but maybe elsewhere
[] Afraid the rider is going to cause them pain or distress
[] Not confirmed in going forwards reliably
[] Over-fed and under-exercised
The average Icelandic horse lives for 30 winters
I wonder if there's any statistical data to support this?
Judy
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Another poem by Harold:
http://iceryder.net/nosale.html
Please feel free to forward.
Judy
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Hi Christine, did you get the messages I sent about the book?
Judy
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Does anyone on the list have a full blown SE case?
I think Barbara has one that she controls with the Flybegone stuff.
More info:
http://iceryder.net/se.html
Also spirulina is supposed to help the immune system:
http://iceryder.net/spirulina.html
Judy
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The US Dept. of Environmental Protection has apparently decided that
animal manure is causing water quality issues.
In response, they have come up with some very heavy-handed proposed
regulations.
There are going to be two meetings in Ocala, FL to discuss the impact
of these regulations on
From Donna:
Hi all,
What a blast today was. Instructor is very good and has a great sense
of humor. Report on clinic to follow after tomorrow. Today's
obstacles, while spooky for alot of horses, were mild compared to what
comes tomorrow. Rumor is at some point when we walk over a teeter
totter
A report by Donna:
I wanted to share just how darn proud I am of Harley and how he
handled the despooking clinic over the weekend. I'm always so hard on
myself about our progress and wish he'd settle down and relax around
other horses or stimulations. But after this weekend, I realized just
how
From a blog about a trip to Iceland:
Not far from Gull Falls you can climb Langjokull glacier, or a bit farther
on, Hofsjokull. Four-wheel-drive vehicles help as the interior is
periodically overrun by rugged lava spotted with phosphorescent green
lichen; amphibian buses easily cross seasonal
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=zKQgTiqhPbw
That was impressive to watch.
I actually surprised myself by noticing the mistake made by the mare, and
then having it confirmed by the commentator!
Judy
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Sunday, Day 2 - (long report-but check out video clip at end if you
don't want to read everything)
I arrived at my normal 1 hour early time and took advantage of the
round pen. Harley is always very alert and snorting and looking
around when we arrive anywhere. Even if it's a place we've been
My daughter, Alex turned 11 yesterday! She's growing so fast!
Beautiful! I remember her 10 year-old picture with the birthday cake.
Judy
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I wonder where the rest of the post I typed went to
Sherrel, be sure to skip a few lines after the quoted text, putting
your response below the quotes.
It's easier to post when your email program is set to plain text.
Go to Tools Options Send UNcheck the box that says Reply in
same
I haven't done much of this), and of course there's a
canter in there (her favorite gait)! What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9lOmnKPpw
Looks like lots of gaits in there! I downloaded the video and will try to
grab some stills when I have some time.
Judy
Jean Francois Pignon will be at the British Open:
http://www.britishopenshowjumping.com/Pagebuilder.aspx?pagename=Latest%20News%20Jean%20Francois%20Pignon
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Response to Dr. Phil's comment on horse ownership as exercise:
At this time of year, after the holidays, ads for weight-loss
programs saturate print media and the airwaves. Even TV talk shows
devote time to The battle of the Bulge. I caught part of a Dr. Phil
episode in which the prominent
http://www.hoefkens.nl/friskur/fotos/werken_en_smullen/?img=007
http://www.hoefkens.nl/friskur/fotos/werken_en_smullen/?img=008
What is going on in these pics? Is this a baby being trained, and
what sort of tie down are they using on him/her?
Can someone explain to me the importance of
Sorry I didn't put in a subject AND forgot to downsize the photos! Shame
on
me!
Cherie, I didn't get anything from you on the list that didn't have a
subject and had pictures attached!
Judy
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See this teaching-to-free-lunge video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmBWewGY_zw
Different objectives than what the horse, in the links Wanda provided, was
subjected to.
Judy
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I would like a new poll for type of saddles we use. I ride in a
torsion treeless and love it! Anyway, just a suggestion. ;)
Great suggestion!
You can login to YG and go to
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/polls
to create a poll.
That should be fun!
Judy
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I had thought once you sacked a horse out you
didnt have to do it again...
I think many people think the same thing, but I don't believe that it's
true.
Sacking out is sort of like intense desensitization, which may not be
consistently reliable in the future, compared to a horse learning
Both of my horses won't step backwards in the Porcupine
game when I use the carrot stick, only when I use my fingers.
How are you using the stick? Can you send a picture? or describe how
you are using it?
they both seem to think I want to lunge them when I try to disengage
their
they both seem to think I want to lunge them when I try to disengage
their hindquarters.
Same for this what is the situation when you are asking? How and
where are they standing?
The horses are standing facing me. I point to the left with my left
hand, and foot, the rope is in my
I'll try to get photos. I stand in front of my horse, rub the spot
with my carrot stick, middle of chest under the neck area, then go
through the phases and stand there waiting...
When I try to get them to step back with the CS from the chest and
they don't, I walk towards them and
i just want to note that these horses are also blessed with spectacular
riders,
Yes!
do you know of anyone teaching such in massachusetts or
anywhere reasonably commutable from here?
Check out any natural horsemanship trainer, or start PNH on your own (here
with us as support).
You can do
The horses are standing facing me. I point to the left with my left
hand, and foot, the rope is in my left hand--the horse doesn't move.
I lift the stick which is in my right hand, the horse doesn't move, I
throw the rope of the carrot stick over to the horse and off they go
to the
In asking for the stop, you'll drop that energy down to the ground.
Slump
your shoulders if you have to. Look down, if you have to. Let
everything
in your body melt.
Oh, OK--I wasn't doing this at first and the horses went faster. When
I 'gave up' trying to get them to stop I just
Horses, in general, do not mature until the age of five, six, seven.
Per Dr. Deb's article, scruffy range ponies (like our Icelandics), actually
mature *earlier* than other breeds!
That's not to say you should ride them or over work youngsters!
More on fusion and maturity:
An article by Barb Fenwick:
Horse Play
When is the last time you played with your horse? As kids with horses, my
sisters, friends and I would play the usual cowboy games on horseback, and
also games like hide and seek. We taught our ponies simple tricks and
generally played with them a lot.
esp. with his winter coat, i find a dog slicker brush invaluable with
stjarni. it's great for getting out muddy tangles. i use it on the
worst bits before i even curry, then curry, then hard brush, then dog
brush again
Good job!
Don't forget the Coat King in preparation for spring
A story from one of Buck Brannaman's books:
A woman had been coming to his clinics for a while and was still
really struggling with the concepts of release and seeing the
try... she was not really making progress.
He didn't see her for a while -- then she showed up at a clinic
and was seeing
I finally took some new pictures of Scooter. Lorraine
Is he yawning for treats? or just because he does it anyway?
Judy
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When I ride Scooter away from his mate (Harley) he
bucks a little and just wants to turn around. On the
way back I have to hold him back or he would probably
run back. My arms are tired. If I trailer away he is
much better. Any tips? Lorraine
You can try to help him by taking him
The gaitedhorse list is having a thread on ulcers in horses. It's something
to be aware of as stress can cause ulcers in the horse and also can be
responsible for some bad behaviors.
As the intensity of training and stress increase, so does the severity of
gastric stomach ulcers.
Horses of all
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=8878
Raven, thanks for keeping us updated on these types of articles. It is
appreciated!
Judy
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86 degreessigh. I'm almost missing southern CA today. Charm is so
cute!
She's really cute!
Thanks!
At the far end of the road, is an Arabian mare who lives alone.
Occasionally we'll walk down there to say hello. I think Charm has only
seen her maybe once before; mostly Cookie has
Susan has SDS Lotion:
http://www.saddleuptack.com/webcat/items/item1117.htm
Judy
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From the clickryder list:
Just a little observation I made recently that might be of interest to
others. I've recently been having some dressage lessons with an
instructor, who is not a CT trainer. She rode Elmo to demonstrate to me
the sort of muscle release she was looking for in the horse.
Charm looks like she's doing really well. That's basically how we
started training Gusti with ground driving, we just took him walking
like that everywhere.
It's fun to shape the young horse and expose them to different things.
She's funny, as she likes to go out, and then does a few stops
SE Study, 2004:
The objectives of the present study were to quantify the importance of
systematic environmental and genetic influences on the prevalence and
severity of summer eczema in Icelandic horses. In the context of this study,
490 Icelandic horses from 24 stud farms located in Lower
instructor calls Orri a dominant bully who needs to be taught a lesson
about who's the boss.
I think that's why we have this list to get away from that type of
thinking.
It's a very old paradigm and very unfair to the horse.
Even the wording is wrong: taught a lesson.
To teach a
From an equine dermitology lecture:Culicoides Hypersensitivity:
p 10
2 yrs is
usually age of onset
sometimes yearlings, usually some time in first two
years of life. or within two years of moving into an area
dorsal
feeders - mane and tail involvement
ventral feeders - ventral midline
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