FOSS - Free Open Source Software
OSS - Open Source Software
Please note the word 'software' in both these.
that is what we are talking about here. There are
many other Free and/
or Open thingies in the world. We are not talking
about them here.
Further i find people who take the
On 08-Feb-07, at 1:43 PM, vivek khurana wrote:
Kenneth this is too much. If you are making comment
on yourself then it is fine else do not think everyone
with liberal or broad view fail to accomplish
anything.
dont be silly - does creative dot take a broad liberal view and allow
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
the only question being asked here is 'should the community
participate in conferences where microsoft is a sponsor' - and if it
does, how does the community benefit?
I believe there is a disconnect between what Kenneth is talking about
and what others are talking
dont be silly - does creative dot take a broad
liberal view and allow
proprietary stuff there?
Yup, you can post work created using proprietary
software as long as you have licensed copy of the
software. And yes we have M$ executives as
contributors too.
regards
VK
Engineers normally
And please, for those focusing on the practical side of Linux, it
would be best that you stay away from this discussion. You obviously
don't look at the larger picture. There would be no Linux/FOSS if people
only focused on the practical side.
BS. F/OSS was doing great without all the
On 08-Feb-07, at 2:16 PM, vivek khurana wrote:
Yup, you can post work created using proprietary
software as long as you have licensed copy of the
software. And yes we have M$ executives as
contributors too.
thats not what i said - i asked if you permit no-sharing, copy-
protect,
On 2/8/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
the only question being asked here is 'should the community
participate in conferences where microsoft is a sponsor' - and if it
does, how does the community benefit?
I believe there is a disconnect between
thats not what i said - i asked if you permit
no-sharing, copy-
protect, no-copying, no-distribution? according to
this:
http://creative.linux-delhi.org/?q=node/2
you dont. Why dont you allow that also. Why restrict
to just these 12
licenses? Be liberal. Invite everyone in - you
So when it comes to Microsoft advertising in Linux magazines and
sponsoring Linux events, where you see red, I see an opportunity, of
an equal footing, at Microsoft's expense. Linux and FOSS is clearly
better than Windows, we just need to cut through MS's FUD. Mailing
Lists will not do that
On 08-Feb-07, at 3:26 PM, vivek khurana wrote:
Liberal/broad view does not means you allow anything.
ahh - we are on the same side and saying the same thing.
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On 08-Feb-07, at 2:51 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
Not true. Linus is another one of those practical side people, who
had created Linux without any philosophy in mind.
where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have
you read any of his writings?
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Hi! all,
Steve jobs suggests abolishing DRM in a recently
published article at apple's website
more at
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
regards
VK
Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a
solution in search of a problem.
Janani Gopalakrishnan wrote:
Who had the stalls next to Microsoft at LinuxAsia? Did they
use it well? (Apologies, I couldn't attend LA as I was busy getting married,
so somebody who attended please throw light on this!!)
I don't know about who was next to M$'s stall, I know who was there
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 08-Feb-07, at 2:51 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
Not true. Linus is another one of those practical side people, who
had created Linux without any philosophy in mind.
where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have
you
On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote:
[...]
I have mixed views on Microsoft's participation in the event.
Personally, I feel that it is up to LFY to decide. Given that
Linux Asia is by no stretch of the imagination a community
On 2/8/07, nipra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote:
[snip]
I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions were
not taken by individuals for the whole LUG. The freedom to
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, nipra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote:
[snip]
I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions were
not
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:28 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have
you read any of his writings?
Kenneth which statement is it that you object to? All I'm saying is
that Linus was in a more practical than philosophical mood when he
started
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the
mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee
related decisions of ILUGD have been mostly off the list.
not so - agenda is always disclosed on the list.
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the
mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee
related decisions of ILUGD have been mostly off the list.
On 08-Feb-07, at 5:19 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
Anyways that is not even the main point of that supposedly
objectionable paragraph. The main point was that fragmenting the
community for no reason is not welcome!
where is the fragmentation - do you contend that LFY is part of the
community?
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the
mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:28 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
where did you discover this gem? or is it your own invention? Have
you read any of his writings?
Kenneth which statement is it that you object to? All I'm saying is
that Linus was in a
On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the
mailing list
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I think FOSS is all about the community. And the community
welcomes participation. I somehow feel something's amiss when we start
banning people and organisations from any of Linux/FOSS events,
because their contributions to the community
On 08-Feb-07, at 5:48 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
part of the electoral process? Before taking any decision, you do not
take a decision and inform the members of the same,
who did that - you are just spreading wild untrue allegations
you give the
members the details of the situation and ask for
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You meant to be satirical but I think your suggestion is an excellent
one! Well during election times do you see people being asked to come
to Delhi and visit the Rashtrapati Bhavan in case they want to be a
part of the electoral process? Before
On 08-Feb-07, at 5:41 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
philosophy and does nothing but talk and guys like linus and guido et
al are mere code monkeys without a world view. This is not true.
It may be a very popular misconception, but it is not one *I* harbour.
then why are you spreading it?
And I
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
contributions of microsoft to the community are not debatable. They
are nil. But their contributions against the community are legion
they contributed the line return 0; to linux code. :-)
Regards
Sriram
On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You meant to be satirical but I think your suggestion is an excellent
one! Well during election times do you see people being asked to come
to Delhi and visit the Rashtrapati Bhavan in case they
On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
contributions of microsoft to the community are not debatable. They
are nil. But their contributions against the community are legion
they contributed the line return 0; to linux code.
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
this mailing list and I did not
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 08-Feb-07, at 4:38 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
this mailing list and I did not see a very public discussion on the
mailing list before everything was done and over. The committee
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 16:38 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote:
On 2/8/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 00:30 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote:
[...]
I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions were
not taken by individuals for the whole LUG. The freedom
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You meant to be satirical but I think your suggestion is an
excellent one! Well during election times do you see people being
asked to come to Delhi and visit
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Excellent.
On Thursday 08 February 2007 17:48, Anupam Jain wrote:
[snip]
You meant to be satirical but I think your suggestion is an
excellent one! Well during
On 2/8/07, G Karunakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Wait you are confusing two entities - LUG - Linux User Group - the
registered society...where a committee takes decisions (you have to
pay a small fee to be registered member of this organization.. though
objectives of this entity are while
Anupam Jain wrote:
Being involved with ilugc for almost 3 years now, as both physical
volunteer and active in mailing list, I just want to add some of our own
experiences as a LUG.
Every LUG can have two modes of operation which are vital to call it
alive or dead - Digital and Physical.
On 2/8/07, Vishnu Gopal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Parthan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip snip snip]
3. We were too tempted to know what 'interoperability' they meant were
all about, so we went to the M$ stall and enquired what they were having
there for display on a Linux
And it is not really relevant but I have been living in Bangalore for
over a year now (and many places elsewhere the year before that). So
it is not really possible for me to be a part of the meetings anymore.
I'm not sure if that fact makes me a lesser member of the ILUGD
community, but I'd
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And it is not really relevant but I have been living in Bangalore for
over a year now (and many places elsewhere the year before that). So
it is not really possible for me to be a part of the meetings anymore.
I'm not sure if that fact makes me
Hi,
On 2/8/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
There is no decision-making behind closed doors. Just because we
didn't send a goddam chauffeur-driven limousine to your door to pick
you up, bring you to the meetings that were
On Thursday 08 February 2007 7:36 pm, Anupam Jain wrote:
[snip]
we have established that my allegations were not really so, I stand
by whatever I said fully because I did not see a public discussion on
this topic *before* the event. It may have been due to valid reasons
Look I haven't
On 2/8/07, G Karunakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/8/07, Vishnu Gopal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
well what do you expect google to show.. a screen with google search
opened..? or gmail? or orkut? or youtube? or google earth?... at
least they have something to do with FOSS.. whether
in infinite wisdom Vishnu Gopal spoke thus On 02/08/2007 07:17 PM:
Offtopic, but I was there as well and it's not M$ alone that did this.
Google also had eyecandy gurls and pretty much nothing in their stalls
except a box where you can fill in an application to join them. Nobody
however
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 19:41 +0530, Parthan wrote:
Vishnu Gopal wrote:
[...]
Google also had eyecandy gurls
[...]
Second, google wasn't with eye candy gurls.
[...]
I am really, really confused. What is wrong with, ahem, quote eye candy
gurls unquote. And, in a FOSS world! I mean, really.
From: Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The event needed money and they were paying lots. Call a spade a spade.
If they weren't paying this huge mail wouldn't have been there, right?
M$ ideology is exactly opposite of Linux ideology, so its like Smirnoff
sponsoring the Alcoholics Anonymous meet.
Let's not have any illusions. Microsoft joined in the party for its
own personal selfish gains. It would be illogical to think otherwise.
But the point is did succeed in harming the community?
Do we need to wait for it to do more harm?
Regards,
Debarshi
--
After the game the king and the
Gora Mohanty wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 19:36 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote:
[Anything of value deleted]
You know, this is absolutely the first time I have
ever done this, but then, on the other hand, I have
not yet met a more deserving candidate.
This is one of the few forums that I have
CDAC (Navi Mumbai) - is doing trainings..etc under OSSRC banner..
They are developing a speech interface for visually impaired people
for Pine at OSSRC. Pine is not Free Software, do not know whether it
is Open Source or not.
Regards,
Debarshi
--
After the game the king and the pawn go into
2. BTW as for the reason, Microsoft have their Linux
infrastructure in house to work on and do research.
They are taking on things that work in Linux and make
changes to their own products.
When a crime is done, the criminal knows that he is doing wrong. In
most cases he also knows what is
Linus is another one of those practical side people, who
had created Linux without any philosophy in mind. I totally agree that
without RMS and FSF and GNU and all the big picture people we would
not be where we are today but without the practical people we would
all still be hacking on a
On 08-Feb-07, at 7:17 PM, Vishnu Gopal wrote:
Offtopic, but I was there as well and it's not M$ alone that did this.
Google also had eyecandy gurls and pretty much nothing in their stalls
except a box where you can fill in an application to join them. Nobody
however takes them out on this
On 08-Feb-07, at 7:36 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
by whatever I said fully because I did not see a public discussion on
this topic *before* the event.
you need urgently to visit an occulist
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On 08-Feb-07, at 8:09 PM, Parthan wrote:
Sometimes we have had polls, example when we wanted to decide about
reply-to munging for the mailing list
that wasnt a poll - it was regular voting, one man one vote and care
was taken to see that all the voters were active members of the list.
And
On 08-Feb-07, at 8:54 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
Join the ILUGD Bangalore chapter ;-)
Didn't know there was one!
there is one - get on #linux-india on freenode to learn more
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On 09-Feb-07, at 3:05 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Linus is another one of those practical side people, who
had created Linux without any philosophy in mind. I totally agree
that
without RMS and FSF and GNU and all the big picture people we would
not be where we are today but without the
--- Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
they contributed the line return 0; to linux
code. :-)
nah, exit -1 :-)
regards
VK
Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a
solution in search of a problem.
http://creative.linux-delhi.org
Disclaimer
The facts
--- Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They are not nil and I will vouch for it. Read my
Haskell post for an
example. Go to research.microsoft.com and you'll
realise that
Microsoft engineers contribute a lot in terms of
ideas (though their
code may still be under MS' control). And I
Hi!
Found his interesting posting on fsf-frinds mailing
list
http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2007-February/004604.html
SHows how M$ can be sued under IT act.
regards
VK
Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a
solution in search of a problem.
Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to
bottom-post.
Now coming to the point. Why is it that LUGs cannot think beyond Microsoft.
Why are we so MS obsessed ? Instead let us concentrate on what FOSS has to
offer.
Regards,
Surjo.
Sent from my Airtel
--- Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail
client doesn't allow to bottom-post.
Now coming to the point. Why is it that LUGs cannot
think beyond Microsoft. Why are we so MS obsessed ?
Instead let us concentrate on what FOSS has to
offer.
Steve jobs suggests abolishing DRM in a recently
published article at apple's website
more at
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Bwaaahaahaa!
x 100
When iTunes was the only DRM around, Jobs was pushing it down
everyone's throat, to the extent that he threatened to sue
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 19:36 +0530,
Anupam Jain wrote:
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You know, this is absolutely the first time I have
ever done this, but then, on the other hand, I have
not yet met a more deserving candidate.
Could this be the first wave of
On 2/9/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 19:36 +0530, Anupam Jain
wrote:
[Anything of value deleted]
You know, this is absolutely the first time I have
ever done this, but then, on the other hand, I have
not
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