On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
There is nothing that requires it, no. But
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 16:35:56 Gaurav Mishra wrote:
And if you think that the Free software awareness Ubuntu has brought
doesn`t qualify in being in Free software ecosystem , Then my friend
you are wrong , Because then you bring to the conclusion that FSF
has no meaning of existence
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Manoj has pointed out, there is probably a problem right now, and he
might be right about it. My take is that it is not always an
intentional thing but more of a case of a problem in managing the a
project of the
foss.in is trying to change it's focus (again :) ) this year, and they are
planning
for something quite ambitious. In a way it is good for events to carve their
own niche instead of having the same general outlook in each of them.
Any comments?
- Sandip
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Launchpad isnt that closed source itself ?
Closed source what? Software? Can you point me where I can download it?
Exactly. Isnt that a part of what the point is - that their development
inhouse isnt really open at all ? Even the one product they have which
can
Gaurav Mishra wrote:
you seem to either prefer to evade the issue, or miss the point
completely. Anyway, enjoy.
Hmm, I understand what you want to say and what greg`s talk was all about.
I dont think you do.. because...
I didn`t made the point that RH, Suse, Centos and other open source
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gaurav Mishra wrote:
you seem to either prefer to evade the issue, or miss the point
completely. Anyway, enjoy.
Hmm, I understand what you want to say and what greg`s talk was all about.
I dont think you do.. because...
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 19:23:44 Karanbir Singh wrote:
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Launchpad isnt that closed source itself ?
Closed source what? Software? Can you point me where I can download
it?
Exactly. Isnt that a part of what the point is - that their
development inhouse
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
You don't seem to have understood my question. What exactly are you
implying is close sourced? A piece of software that is being
distributed or otherwise commercially sold? Or the code behind a
service that is being commercially exploited?
you guys really need
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 21:09:27 Karanbir Singh wrote:
To be honest, I have better things to do than feed foo down clueless
fanboys.
I am continuously amused by the singular acerbic tone in all your mails.
Sure, you don't like to feed clueless fanboys like me. But you sure
keep replying
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Gaurav Mishra writes:
[...]
So why FSF goes on in events evangalizing Open source software, What`s
with RMS patent talks ?
IIRC, RMS or probably FSF too, never talked about Open Source stuff, on
the contrary they clearly mention the difference
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
You don't seem to have understood my question. What exactly are you
implying is close sourced? A piece of software that is being
distributed or otherwise commercially sold? Or the code behind a
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 21:09:27 Karanbir Singh wrote:
To be honest, I have better things to do than feed foo down clueless
fanboys.
I am continuously amused by the singular acerbic tone in all your mails.
Sure, you don't like to feed clueless fanboys like
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 21:09:27 Karanbir Singh wrote:
you guys really need to start looking at stuff before commenting on
it. if you really dont know what launchpad is, a bit of research
would be well in order. eg, components that went into launchpad, and
are used elsewhere in
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Manoj has a point in Ubuntu having problems fixing patches upstream. It
might be true, but certainly not intentional. Ubuntu's benevolent
dictator - Mark talks about Ubuntu's perspective of the problem here:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And if you think that the Free software awareness Ubuntu has brought
doesn`t qualify in being in Free software ecosystem , Then my friend
you are wrong , Because then you bring to the conclusion that FSF has
no meaning
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Manoj has pointed out, there is probably a problem right now, and he
might be right about it. My take is that it is not always an
intentional thing but more of a case of
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As Manoj has pointed out, there is probably a problem right now, and he
might be right about it.
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 19:23:44 Karanbir Singh wrote:
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Launchpad isnt that closed source itself ?
Closed source what? Software? Can you point me where I can download
it?
Exactly. Isnt that a part of
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 19:23:44 Karanbir Singh wrote:
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Launchpad isnt that closed source itself ?
Closed source what? Software?
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Manoj Srivastava
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
So, a project that handles only a fraction of the packages
Debian does (only a couple thousand in the main repo, iirc), 95%
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
It`s not a *SOFTWARE* it`s a *SERVICE*
You mean there is not software that provides the service? If
there is, is that software not non-free?
manoj
amused now
--
Watch all-night Donna Reed reruns until your mind resembles oatmeal.
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And if you think that the Free software awareness Ubuntu has brought
doesn`t qualify in being in Free software ecosystem , Then my friend
you are wrong , Because then you bring
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
As per Wikipedia:
Launchpad is a web application and web site supporting software
development, particularly that of free software.
It helps in managing software components, so it is ofcourse a piece of
software. But to people using it, it
Hi,
I want to defeat os fingerprinting, especially nmap's os
fingerprintinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_fingerprintingcapabilities,By
doing a little research on the internet i found some kernel
patches (ippersonality, stealth patch)...but they are all for 2.4.x kernels
and i am using fedora9
dont worry Sandip, I just opted out.
Enjoy.
--
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Karan ji,
You points are very very informative and I would call them quality
discussion. I understand that you might be a little turned off by some of
the comments, but I would
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 22:22:11 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
So, it is software that helps to provide a service. That
piece of software is non-free. I think that matters.
Whether the software runs as a one shot unix like
input/output filter, or it generates web pages, or it
On Wed, October 1, 2008 9:33 pm, Manoj Srivastava said:
I have no idea why the FSF does what the FSF does. I also
believe that the FSF distributes non-fre software, but that is another
discussion.
Sorry to go off-topic, but if you can explain what non-free software FSF
distributes?
On Wed, October 1, 2008 11:25 pm, Sandip Bhattacharya said:
* Any particular reason why nobody from Debian or elsewhere has actually
cribbed about RHN not being open source?
Because RHN's upstream, i.e., Spacewalk is open source -- exactly the same
reason why no one *cribs* about Star Office,
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 23:34:27 Atanu Datta wrote:
On Wed, October 1, 2008 11:25 pm, Sandip Bhattacharya said:
* Any particular reason why nobody from Debian or elsewhere has
actually cribbed about RHN not being open source?
Because RHN's upstream, i.e., Spacewalk is open source --
Today every company is talking about Cloud computing, but RMS has rejected
as a trap and it truly is. How much sense does it make to adopt technologies
pushed by some companies which could further lock us in. We are struggling
to get out of non-free and jail created by MS and colonial cousins,
On Wed, October 1, 2008 11:52 pm, Sandip Bhattacharya said:
Of course, it is probably still relevant to some degree that it took
them seven years to reach here, and even this is quite a recent
development.
Better late than never.
Of course, nothing changes the fact that this is by itself
a
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 21:39:53 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
You are right. Ubuntu has not made my task easuier, or made
the lives of my users any easier. If anything, they are an obstacle
int he way of people using my code to communicate issues they find in
my code from getting to
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 23:54:31 Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:
Today every company is talking about Cloud computing, but RMS has
rejected as a trap and it truly is. How much sense does it make to
adopt technologies pushed by some companies which could further lock
us in. We are struggling to
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 23:54:31 Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:
Today every company is talking about Cloud computing, but RMS has
rejected as a trap and it truly is. How much sense does it make to
adopt technologies
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 22:22:11 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
So, it is software that helps to provide a service. That
piece of software is non-free. I think that matters.
Whether the software runs as a one shot unix like
On Wednesday-ji 01 Oct-ji 2008, Swapnil-ji Bhartiya-ji wrote:
[snip]
Previous mail of Raj, Manoj ji, Karan Ji, then Sandeep
I find it grossly unfair that neither Sandip nor I rate a ``ji'',
specially considering that I'm older that the other three (Manoj, KB
and Sandip) put together. I'll
On Thursday 02 October 2008 00:19:51 Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:
I quite agree with RMS. When we work locally at least data is with
us. Cloud computing followed by SaaS is a dangerous stuff. There can
I am not saying that I disagree with RMS about the software freedom
dangers of cloud computing in
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today every company is talking about Cloud computing, but RMS has rejected
as a trap and it truly is. How much sense does it make to adopt technologies
pushed by some companies which could further lock us in. We are
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Atanu Datta wrote:
On Wed, October 1, 2008 9:33 pm, Manoj Srivastava said:
I have no idea why the FSF does what the FSF does. I also
believe that the FSF distributes non-fre software, but that is another
discussion.
Sorry to go off-topic, but if you can
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I am disagreeing is with the FOSS world not attempting to even
touch the technology because the closed source business model is the
only one we see. The technology is really attractive, and there is no
doubt that
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday-ji 01 Oct-ji 2008, Swapnil-ji Bhartiya-ji wrote:
[snip]
Previous mail of Raj, Manoj ji, Karan Ji, then Sandeep
I find it grossly unfair that neither Sandip nor I rate a ``ji'',
specially considering that
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday-ji 01 Oct-ji 2008, Swapnil-ji Bhartiya-ji wrote:
[snip]
Previous mail of Raj, Manoj ji, Karan Ji, then Sandeep
I find it grossly unfair that neither Sandip nor I rate a ``ji'',
specially considering that I'm
On Thu, October 2, 2008 12:31 am, Manoj Srivastava said:
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Atanu Datta wrote:
On Wed, October 1, 2008 9:33 pm, Manoj Srivastava said:
I have no idea why the FSF does what the FSF does. I also
believe that the FSF distributes non-fre software, but that is another
On Thursday 02 October 2008 00:55:21 Atanu Datta wrote:
All GNU documentation, including that of GNU make, are released under
GNU FDL. May I know why Debian Free Software Guidelines considers it
non-free?
http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml
I am not sure how current
On Thu, October 2, 2008 1:02 am, Sandip Bhattacharya said:
On Thursday 02 October 2008 00:55:21 Atanu Datta wrote:
All GNU documentation, including that of GNU make, are released under
GNU FDL. May I know why Debian Free Software Guidelines considers it
non-free?
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Atanu Datta wrote:
P.S. -- The Web page has links under the Related Links: (provided by
Branden Robinson) sections that lead to 404 Not Found on the server
messages. Can that be fixed please?
Unfortunately, Branden has moved on to other things in north
carolina,
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Thursday 02 October 2008 00:55:21 Atanu Datta wrote:
All GNU documentation, including that of GNU make, are released under
GNU FDL. May I know why Debian Free Software Guidelines considers it
non-free?
Hi all,
Interesting discussion. You might want to have a look at Project Caroline.
Its an open platform which will let anyone host their own SaaS platform,
does not lock-in into any particular technology or language or vendor, its
source code is completely open and follows open standards.
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Arun SAG writes:
Hi,
I want to defeat os fingerprinting, especially nmap's os
fingerprintinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_fingerprintingcapabilities,By
doing a little research on the internet i found some kernel
patches (ippersonality, stealth
Hi all,
Is there a method to figure out how much data has been handled by a particular
network interface on a machine since a new OS was installed or over a given
span of time? The machine *has* rebooted a few times over the last year, so any
logs that are temporary are gone now. It runs
I think you need Network monitor desklet
=- right click on gnome-panel
==- Add to panel
===- Network Monitor
=- Add
This will give information of network activity and received data..
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Viksit Gaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Is there a method to figure
BTW, Canonical/Ubuntu started a new upstream report today (though I
don't know how much to read into this as of now):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/UpstreamReport
https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
-Shantz
--
I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't
--- On Thu, 10/2/08, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you need Network monitor desklet
Thanks. I was talking more in terms of a command line access method though -
this is a server that doesn't run X. Also, does the network monitor app keep
track of ALL data I/O, ever? Or is
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, shantanu goel wrote:
BTW, Canonical/Ubuntu started a new upstream report today (though I
don't know how much to read into this as of now):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/UpstreamReporthttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
Yeah. I think this is a
Viksit Gaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do NICs themselves store this data in some form? Could the the OS do so
without having switched on any
explicit logging?
The proc system keeps track of RX/TX packets until reboot. Readable in:
/sbin/ifconfig eth0 |grep X
But it cycles at a maximum of x
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Wed, Oct 01 2008, shantanu goel wrote:
BTW, Canonical/Ubuntu started a new upstream report today (though I
don't know how much to read into this as of now):
2008/9/30 Sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It is really unfortunate to know that people of CEO level are not able
to understand the Trade Marks and Licenses.
I believe what you meant was Trademarks and Copyrights. You can have
Copyright License (GPL is one such) and Trademark License (what
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