Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Raj Mathur
On Monday 30 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 29-Jun-08, at 7:44 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [snip] Some licences like the GPL force you to provide source code for a nominal fee along with binaries at the user's request; I thought all OSI licenses force you to do this Once again, you need

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Dinesh Shah
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: ultimately law is made by the supreme court. There is no such thing as 'settled law', laws are always subject to change - just needs a larger bench of the supreme court to do so. And when the court looks at any law, they look at the

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 3:49 PM, Dinesh Shah wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: ultimately law is made by the supreme court. There is no such thing as 'settled law', laws are always subject to change - just needs a larger bench of the supreme court to do so. And when

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 3:39 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: If someone wants to buy a FOSS package it is perfectly legal and, IMO, moral to sell it to her. After all, the package remains doesn't become proprietary by the mere fact of sale -- it remains FOSS. question is: when you 'sell' FOSS do you

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
+++ Kenneth Gonsalves [30/06/08 14:11 +0530]: I would tend to the opinion that sale of any software, let alone FOSS is illegal, immoral and an act of cheating - the only point is, that the courts have to recognise this. According to all FOSS licences, the software itself need not be

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Anand Shankar
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: question is: when you 'sell' FOSS do you charge VAT or do you charge service tax. We recently 'bought' a FOSS package for 3 lakhs. We were charged service tax to the tune of 36,000. If we had 'bought' a proprietary

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 6:05 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I would tend to the opinion that sale of any software, let alone FOSS is illegal, immoral and an act of cheating - the only point is, that the courts have to recognise this. According to all FOSS licences, the software itself need not

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 6:10 PM, Anand Shankar wrote: I believe the two are FOSS. And as per the GoI contract document, it is VAT instead of Service Tax!! If you were to emphasis interpret more closely /emphasis, it means most Government Departments are ending up buying FOSS, and that too as a

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
+++ Kenneth Gonsalves [30/06/08 20:41 +0530]: software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can only be shared. And you would gladly share for a neat sum of money? In the Gurukul system, knowledge was gladly shared for next to nothing. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Jasbir Khehra
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:41:22 +0530 Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30-Jun-08, at 6:05 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can only be shared. Bought any books lately?

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 9:42 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can only be shared. And you would gladly share for a neat sum of money? In the Gurukul system, knowledge was gladly shared for next to nothing. quote If I have an idli

Re: [ilugd] FOSS: VAT or service tax [was] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 30-Jun-08, at 9:46 PM, Jasbir Khehra wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30-Jun-08, at 6:05 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] software is knowledge. Knowledge cannot be bought or sold. It can only be shared. Bought any books lately? yes - bought two, one on