Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-21 Thread Ken Murchison
Charles Lindsey wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But clients that interoperate with IMAP usually also have the capability to interoperate with POP3, SMTP, NNTP and maybe even UUCP. I have never seen any suggestion that those other servers are in any

RE: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-20 Thread Dan Kohn
Charles Lindsey wrote: Sorry, but I am already on so many mailing lists that I cannot manage any more. You can subscribe without receiving postings by sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following body: subscribe imap FirstName LastName set imap mail postpone end This will enable you

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-19 Thread Charles Lindsey
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Charles Lindsey wrote: I am sorry, but the IMAP list doesn't seem to accept messages from me. You need to subscribe to the IMAP mailing list. You had better do so if you wish to continue to propose incompatible

Re: IMAP and Netnews (fwd)

2003-02-18 Thread Mark Crispin
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Tony Shadwick wrote: Uh, it's not Pine's problem. It's IMAP's. Users using Outlook Express, SquirrelMail, Entourage, KMail, all have the same problem. When connecting to the server via IMAP the inbox shows up as empty, whereas if they read mail using pine, all the inbox

RE: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-17 Thread Mark Crispin
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, Dan Kohn wrote: I believe actual use of Usenet diverged from RFC 1036 because the latter didn't support internationalized (i18n) headers or i18n newsgroup names. As a result, most international users started sending a hodgepodge of different, unlabeled charsets, which

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-17 Thread Mark Crispin
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Charles Lindsey wrote: I am sorry, but the IMAP list doesn't seem to accept messages from me. You need to subscribe to the IMAP mailing list. You had better do so if you wish to continue to propose incompatible changes to IMAP in order to accomodate your proposed changes to

RE: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-16 Thread Dan Kohn
Andrew Gierth wrote about http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kohn-news-article-00.txt saying: it also fails to address any of the issues which have resulted in actual use of Usenet diverging from the previous specification. I believe actual use of Usenet diverged from RFC 1036 because

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-15 Thread Mark Crispin
For what it's worth, I agree with all of Ken's points. I'm not certain what Usefor is attempting to accomplish. If the goal is IETF standardization of a message format which is incompatible with the message format of other protocols, then Usefor has set itself an impossible goal. Kohn's draft

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-14 Thread Charles Lindsey
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:30:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Mark Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said... On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Charles Lindsey wrote: I don't think the last vestiges of just send 8-bits using non-UTF-8 character sets and no MIME tagging are being exterminated, or

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-10 Thread Mark Crispin
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Charles Lindsey wrote: I don't think the last vestiges of just send 8-bits using non-UTF-8 character sets and no MIME tagging are being exterminated, or ever will be. At the moment they seem to be well entrenched in Usenet, especially in the Chinese newsgroups, and no

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-08 Thread Ken Murchison
Mark Crispin wrote: I recommend instead that USEFOR confine its efforts to NNTP updates and RFC2822 extensions specific to news, and get a charter going on a WG dedicated to UTF-8 extension to messaging. I would be very much interested in participating in such a working group, and feel

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-07 Thread Mark Crispin
Hi Charles - Thank you very much for your email. I have bounced it to the IMAP mailing list. This response is also going to the IMAP mailing list. I agree that it is desirable to transition towards a future in which mailbox names, email addresses, newsgroup names, and header texts are 8-bit

Re: IMAP and Netnews

2003-02-07 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 02:14, Mark Crispin wrote: The other choices are CRAM-MD5, DIGEST-MD5, which basically involve storing plaintext equivalents of the authentication credentials on the server. DIGEST-MD5 stores MD5 sum of user:realm:password on server, which I wouldn't call plaintext