[PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Lukas Smith
Hi, not sure if phpnamespaces.org is a wise choice for a site that publishes prepatched versions of php (see the php license) .. it seems like there is a mailinglist there. while obviously the namespace topic also relates to this list, I think it would be a good idea if people not in tune

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
BdBThe above can either mean call function c in namespace b under BdBnamespace a or call static method c of class b under namespace a. BdBSince this cannot be determined, :: cannot be used. This provided we support nested namespaces. Do we need them? -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products

[PHP-DEV] userland naming guide

2005-12-02 Thread Lukas Smith
Hi, now that the tempers regarding the Date class have died down again I would like to bring up the topic again ;-) I have written a user land naming guide, however since I did not really see a real consensus there is still room for debate on the exact details (like does PHP prefix its own

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Bart de Boer
Furthermore. The problem with echo 'a::b::c();' would only occur if the code structure would be like this: namespace a { namespace b { function c() { } } class b { function c() { } } } However, should it be legal to give a class the same name as a namespace that's in the same

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP] why php not running ?

2005-12-02 Thread Marco Kaiser
Hi Mehmet, http://bugs.php.net/bugs-generating-backtrace.php this is your help to get a backtrace. hi Marco. (since being a newbie, please be more clear to me :p) sorry but dont know how to do it ? :( would u please explain how to provide a full backtrace of my core dumped php ? -- Marco

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP] php problem

2005-12-02 Thread Marco Kaiser
Hi, 1st reply all please :) 2nd how should we help you if you can't tell us when or where the problem happens. Just to say FF FE will be displayed randomly is not usefull. Please provide more informations or a demo site with .phps files to track the problem or take a look at the source. it

[PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Oliver Grätz
Lukas Smith schrieb: not sure if phpnamespaces.org is a wise choice for a site that publishes prepatched versions of php (see the php license) .. If I read the mails there correctly this issue is already being worked upon. it seems like there is a mailinglist there. while obviously the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Mark Spruiell
BdBThe above can either mean call function c in namespace b under BdBnamespace a or call static method c of class b under namespace a. BdBSince this cannot be determined, :: cannot be used. This provided we support nested namespaces. Do we need them? Nested namespaces are important if PHP is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: BdBThe above can either mean call function c in namespace b under BdBnamespace a or call static method c of class b under namespace a. BdBSince this cannot be determined, :: cannot be used. This provided we support nested namespaces. Do we need

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
JT This provided we support nested namespaces. Do we need them? JT JTNo, we don't need no stinking namespaces. We already have prefixes. :) Did I write the word nested in invisible font? Funny, I didn't know my mail client supports it. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer [EMAIL

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: JT This provided we support nested namespaces. Do we need them? JT JTNo, we don't need no stinking namespaces. We already have prefixes. :) Did I write the word nested in invisible font? Funny, I didn't know my mail client supports it.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Oliver Grätz
Jani Taskinen schrieb: This provided we support nested namespaces. Do we need them? JTNo, we don't need no stinking namespaces. We already have prefixes. :) Did I write the word nested in invisible font? Funny, I didn't know my mail client supports it. Yes, but you don't have to think

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: namespace separator ideas

2005-12-02 Thread Ron Korving
Enough with the nitpicking! It's almost (what timezones are you in?) weekend, have a beer you guys! ;) Ron Oliver Grätz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jani Taskinen schrieb: This provided we support nested namespaces. Do we need them? JTNo, we don't need no

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Cordover
Sara Golemon wrote: I say this with no degree of sarcasm or ill-will: Create a formal proposal. Well, you asked for it ;). Goals: - remove confusion when a user thinks about a function's name - develop consistency throughout the language - be backwards compatible as much as possible The

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread Ron Korving
Nice start (your url (function list) doens't seem to work yet by the way). Just my 2 cents: I don't like the '2' at all. I'd rather see nltobr() and dectohex() than nl2br() and dec2hex(). I do like the idea of loosing all underscores (but I bet there will be quite a number of developers here

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread Ron Korving
forgive my copy/paste error: imagecreatefromstring needs no change, except that it will officially be strPos() should say: imagecreatefromstring needs no change, except that it will officially be imageCreateFromString() - Ron Ron Korving [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht news:[EMAIL

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew C. Kavanagh
On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 00:46 +1100, Michael Cordover wrote: It seems to me, therefore, that we should get rid of the underscores. Yes, this means changing a lot more functions around, but adding underscores will just make function names MORE confusing where there's ambiguity - and that's

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew C. Kavanagh
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 15:09 +0100, Ron Korving wrote: strPos() arrayMerge() isInt() imageCreateFromString() fEof() or fEOF()? addCSlashes()? strIReplace()? strCSpn()? stripCSlashes()? strIPos()? strIStr()? strNCaseCmp()? strNCmp()? strPBrk()? strRChr()? strRIPos()? (That one's my favourite).

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread Ron Korving
It looks odd because (afaik) most of these functions were born in Unix and were nice and short. Because of all the abbreviations they're not very suitable for studlycaps. Unlike the usage of underscores, the usage of studlycaps is totally optional anyway, since function names are case

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread Bastian Grupe
Why not the obvious solution, Classes? Array::merge() String::pos() Image::CreateFromString() etc. Oh the irony... Matthew C. Kavanagh wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 15:09 +0100, Ron Korving wrote: strPos() arrayMerge() isInt() imageCreateFromString() ... -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime

[PHP-DEV] Re: phpnamespaces.org!

2005-12-02 Thread Jessie Hernandez
M. Sokolewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hi, personally, I find :::A, ::A and such constructs *extremely* ugly. Might I suggest using a special keyword to denote global scoped classes? eg: global:::A and such. global already is a keyword, but I'm pretty sure it

[PHP-DEV] Zend Sudio's Optimizer / PHP 5.1.1

2005-12-02 Thread Joseph Crawford
i keep getting an error that zend optimizer doesnt work with this version of PHP, can anyone explain why that would be? i have gone into zend studio and went to /lib/Optimizer-2.5.13/ created the php-5.1.x dir and copied the ZendOptimizer.dll from the php-5.0.x directory but it still complains ;(

Re: [PHP-DEV] Zend Sudio's Optimizer / PHP 5.1.1

2005-12-02 Thread Friedhelm Betz
Joseph Crawford wrote: i keep getting an error that zend optimizer doesnt work with this version of PHP, can anyone explain why that would be? i have gone into zend studio and went to /lib/Optimizer-2.5.13/ created the php-5.1.x dir and copied the ZendOptimizer.dll from the php-5.0.x directory

[PHP-DEV] kudos

2005-12-02 Thread Mike Robinson
Once again, I would like to extend my sincere, profound gratitude to the PHP Development Team for the continued effort in making and keeping PHP the extraordinary tool that it is. The amount of work that has gone into the release of PHP-5.x is enormous. The changelog for the latest versions could

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Syntax in PHP 6

2005-12-02 Thread steve
On 11/21/05, Andrei Zmievski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should start a new language. With sensible function names, and anything else that you may desire. I hear it's a good exercise. Been there, done that. Both using yacc/lex and doing recursive decent (which was faster -- at the time).