Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-15 Thread Kevin Waterson
PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a Will PHP 5.3 be released with fileinfo or will be still me made to use hacks to detirmine mime types? Kevin -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
From Pierre Playing off base. What I proposed you is to help us to get your software continue to run smoothly with PHP, while keeping the windows support. In the end you may even get a faster version on windows, but I suppose you don't care about that (poor customers ;) . This I think is

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Kevin Waterson wrote: PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a Will PHP 5.3 be released with fileinfo or will be still me made to use hacks to detirmine mime types? Just stumbled on this one myself The Linux guys have put in a 'nice improvement to attachment

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 15.06.2008, at 08:54, Lester Caine wrote: From Pierre Playing off base. What I proposed you is to help us to get your software continue to run smoothly with PHP, while keeping the windows support. In the end you may even get a faster version on windows, but I suppose you don't care about

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 15.06.2008, at 08:54, Lester Caine wrote: From Pierre Playing off base. What I proposed you is to help us to get your software continue to run smoothly with PHP, while keeping the windows support. In the end you may even get a faster version on windows, but I

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 15.06.2008, at 09:50, Lester Caine wrote: They have had the discussion and since the php_interbase driver *IS* working fine with Firebird since Ard produced the PHP5 version of it then there has been no requirement to replace Ard's effort. None of the people actively using Firebird on

Re: [PHP-DEV] TestFest reviewers needed

2008-06-15 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 12.06.2008, at 20:52, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: We have the following areas with open submissions: - SPL (10) - GD (3) - Standard (13) - Date (2) - SQLite (7) - OpenSSL (1) - curl (1) - EXIF (1) - hash (2) - Reflection (22) - DOM (5) - PHP Info (2) All in all there are still 70 open

[PHP-DEV] Development environment

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Positive actions ... I've looked at the compiling on windows page http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.building.php and it looks like I have the option to avoid M$ tools and build for windows using cygwin? Except that I seem to be on my own trying to do that? It refers me the unix

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Ok, to spell it out one last time: If windows support cannot be provided in 5.3, there is a good chance that this will increase the likelihood that interbase driver will soon be out of PHP core, even if it still works on Linux. Also to remind you once again, our

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Lester Caine wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Ok, to spell it out one last time: If windows support cannot be provided in 5.3, there is a good chance that this will increase the likelihood that interbase driver will soon be out of PHP core, even if it still works on Linux. Also to remind you

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Timm Friebe
Hi, Can be moved PECL - interbase - fpdf - fbsql - sybase and sybase_ct Sybase can be moved, it is unmaintained. I would've done this long ago if I could, karma-wise. Sybase_ct works perfectly for us at 11 and despite feature requests that exist and me not having put big efforts into it

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Strict type hints (parameter and return value)

2008-06-15 Thread Timm Friebe
Hi, If anyone wants use type hinting, i believe that it should be strict. Otherwise, it makes more sense to not use it. I like this generally, but cannot live with the BC issues raised. Introducing all type names as keywords will make class Object, class Integer and so on give a syntax

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Pierre Joye wrote: Can be moved PECL - interbase - fpdf - fbsql - sybase and sybase_ct Please let me know if you can either help to maintain an extension or if you see any issue with one of these moves. i can help with fpdf if needed but it should go to PECL nonetheless ... -- Hartmut

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Timm, On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Timm Friebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can be moved PECL - interbase - fpdf - fbsql - sybase and sybase_ct Sybase can be moved, it is unmaintained. I would've done this long ago if I could, karma-wise. Let see what other thinks about this

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Lester, On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Ok, to spell it out one last time: If windows support cannot be provided in 5.3, there is a good chance that this will increase the likelihood that interbase driver will soon be out of

Re: [PHP-DEV] Development environment

2008-06-15 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Lester, On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Positive actions ... Great :-) I've looked at the compiling on windows page http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.building.php and it looks like I have the option to avoid M$ tools and build for

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Timm Friebe
Hi, But if we work together, it should be possible to keep them. Let me ask you the same than I ask to Lester, will you help us to keep sybase_ct in php-src? You don't need to know C or php internals but to actually provide tests and run them when we update the libraries or releases RC.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Strict type hints (parameter and return value)

2008-06-15 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Timm Friebe wrote: If anyone wants use type hinting, i believe that it should be strict. Otherwise, it makes more sense to not use it. I like this generally, but cannot live with the BC issues raised. Introducing all type names as keywords will make class Object,

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Timm Friebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if we work together, it should be possible to keep them. Let me ask you the same than I ask to Lester, will you help us to keep sybase_ct in php-src? You don't need to know C or php internals but to actually provide

[PHP-DEV] Back to call_time_pass_reference - backport PHP 6 behaviour?

2008-06-15 Thread Steph Fox
Hi all, I just noticed (don't ask) there are a couple of checks in zend_do_pass_param() in CVS HEAD that don't exist in PHP_5_3: if (original_op==ZEND_SEND_REF) { if (function_ptr function_ptr-common.function_name.v function_ptr-common.type == ZEND_USER_FUNCTION

Re: [PHP-DEV] Back to call_time_pass_reference - backport PHP 6 behaviour?

2008-06-15 Thread Steph Fox
That wasn't very clear, sorry... The logic in HEAD gives nice, sane warnings. The logic in 5_3 gives the same warning for everything, e.g: Deprecated: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of call_user_func()...

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Pierre Joye wrote: hi Lester, On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Ok, to spell it out one last time: If windows support cannot be provided in 5.3, there is a good chance that this will increase the likelihood that interbase driver

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well when I originally reported the problems that were creeping into php_interbase (linux and windows) I was told that *I* should fix them, and I keep being told I should get involved more. Not easy to fix issues

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Philip Olson
/ Un*x: Get a .tar.gz, unpack, phpize, configure and make (last time I tried that didn't work for me, must've been some wrong auto-whatever). If the release is done correctly, a simple pecl install sybase works. This is an important point because unfortunately in the past a moved to

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Pierre Joye wrote: hi, On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well when I originally reported the problems that were creeping into php_interbase (linux and windows) I was told that *I* should fix them, and I keep being told I should get involved more. Not

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Jani Taskinen
Philip Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: / Un*x: Get a .tar.gz, unpack, phpize, configure and make (last time I tried that didn't work for me, must've been some wrong auto-whatever). If the release is done correctly, a simple pecl install sybase works. And on a related note, have we

Re: [PHP-DEV] Back to call_time_pass_reference - backport PHP 6 behaviour?

2008-06-15 Thread Felipe Pena
Hi Em Dom, 2008-06-15 às 14:10 +0100, Steph Fox escreveu: That wasn't very clear, sorry... The logic in HEAD gives nice, sane warnings. The logic in 5_3 gives the same warning for everything, e.g: Deprecated: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Strict type hints (parameter and return value)

2008-06-15 Thread Chris Stockton
Hello, On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see absolutely no use in strict mode. Moreover, I consider it harmful as it teaches people not to use dynamic nature of PHP but instead pepper their code with unnecessary checks and irrelevant errors. As I

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Lester, On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not easy to fix issues yourself but you are getting amazingly more involved, this step is more than welcome! I've always been monitoring and testing - but my main activity is USING in a number of other

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Strict type hints (parameter and return value)

2008-06-15 Thread Sam Barrow
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 11:44 +0200, Timm Friebe wrote: Hi, If anyone wants use type hinting, i believe that it should be strict. Otherwise, it makes more sense to not use it. I like this generally, but cannot live with the BC issues raised. Introducing all type names as keywords will

Re: [PHP-DEV] The battle between users and developers

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Pierre Joye wrote: I can provide the libs in the next days as well as use them in our binaries snapshops (5.3, 6.x, maybe 5.2 if it works well and is 100% BC). Static linking the client library may be a problem! Flamerobin needs to use the client for database management, and my legacy

Re: [PHP-DEV] extensions status, to move to pecl or to drop

2008-06-15 Thread Brian Moon
Pierre Joye wrote: You need it? Please help me to maintain and to provide reliable binaries for windows This statements makes it sound like extensions that do not build on Windows should be removed. That sounds insane to me. Please elaborate. I must not understand what you are trying to

[PHP-DEV] potential shutdown order issue

2008-06-15 Thread Gregory Beaver
Hi, I'm getting errors of hashtable already destroyed when running phpMyAdmin with PHP 5.3, and (of course), thinking this is a phar issue, I've traced through and found a problem in the shutdown order. Basically, php_request_shutdown() calls zend_deactivate() which calls