[PHP-DEV] Re: Function autoloading

2013-09-01 Thread Nikita Popov
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Vartolomei Nicolae nvartolo...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, August 31, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Sebastian Krebs wrote: I already _have_ create files for functions of a namespace... Closed source. Can we take a look at them as an example? Maybe we can give you some

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Function autoloading

2013-09-01 Thread Florin Patan
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote: All, There has been a lot of discussion unto the merit of this feature. That's fine. What I'd really like to know before proposing this is what can be improved in this RFC. For example: someone (Stas) brought up

Re: [PHP-DEV] windows.php.net

2013-09-01 Thread Florian Anderiasch
On 01.09.2013 03:01, Pierre Joye wrote: Also I don't consider the separation userfriendly. A user comes to php.net and tries to fetch downloads ... that might be streamlined quite a bit when properly grouped together. Many can, could, should or would. Complaining and doing almost nothing

RE: [PHP-DEV] [DRAFT] [RFC] Function autoloading

2013-09-01 Thread Zeev Suraski
-Original Message- From: Sebastian Krebs [mailto:krebs@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:02 PM To: Stas Malyshev Cc: Sara Golemon; Anthony Ferrara; internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [DRAFT] [RFC] Function autoloading 2013/8/30 Stas Malyshev

Re: [PHP-DEV] windows.php.net

2013-09-01 Thread Pierre Joye
Hi, On Sep 1, 2013 11:24 AM, Florian Anderiasch m...@anderiasch.de wrote: On 01.09.2013 03:01, Pierre Joye wrote: Also I don't consider the separation userfriendly. A user comes to php.net and tries to fetch downloads ... that might be streamlined quite a bit when properly grouped

Re: [PHP-DEV] windows.php.net

2013-09-01 Thread Lester Caine
Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: Let be more constructive. We are discussing to make PHP better, aren't we? Which perhaps why http://www.apachelounge.com/viewforum.php?f=6 has proven popular. It would be interesting to know how many download from there rather than the 'official' site?

Re: [PHP-DEV] More powerful (and backward compatible) API of random number generator functions

2013-09-01 Thread Jakub Zelenka
Hi, I ask this because the OpenSSL option here is the only CSPRNG; The others are trivially breakable and should not be used for cryptographic applications. I could see an argument for wanting to use them in non-security contexts but I'm wondering if the API should make it clear when that is

Re: [PHP-DEV] windows.php.net

2013-09-01 Thread Jan Ehrhardt
Lester Caine in php.internals (Sun, 01 Sep 2013 14:01:22 +0100): Which perhaps why http://www.apachelounge.com/viewforum.php?f=6 has proven popular. It would be interesting to know how many download from there rather than the 'official' site? I really would not know. It is a free

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Function autoloading

2013-09-01 Thread Nicolas Grekas
My previous message didn't push the point I wanted raise: don't we have a major problem related to at-run-time namespace resolution for functions and constants? Take this code: namespace foo { strlen(bar); } Will you trigger an autoload for foo\strlen? I believe not because that would hurt

RE: [PHP-DEV] [DRAFT] [RFC] Function autoloading

2013-09-01 Thread Daniel Macedo
I can accept not supporting PSR directly but implementing the class autoloader and stating internals believes autoload in should exist, just doesn't specify/support any particular implementation, this makes sense, although I like PSR and don't really see others that make (as much) sense. This

Re: [PHP-DEV] More powerful (and backward compatible) API of random number generator functions

2013-09-01 Thread Marc Bennewitz
Am 01.09.2013 15:12, schrieb Jakub Zelenka: The whole proposal is a bit confusing for me. The combination of PRNG algorithm (MT) with libraries (libc, OpenSSL, GMP) that implements one or more PRNG algorithms just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't say anything about the speed and crypto

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Function autoloading

2013-09-01 Thread Anthony Ferrara
Nicolas, On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Nicolas Grekas nicolas.grekas+...@gmail.com wrote: My previous message didn't push the point I wanted raise: don't we have a major problem related to at-run-time namespace resolution for functions and constants? Take this code: namespace foo {

Re: [PHP-DEV] More powerful (and backward compatible) API of random number generator functions

2013-09-01 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Jakub Zelenka bu...@php.net wrote: The whole proposal is a bit confusing for me. The combination of PRNG algorithm (MT) with libraries (libc, OpenSSL, GMP) that implements one or more PRNG algorithms just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't say anything about

Re: [PHP-DEV] windows.php.net

2013-09-01 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! there has been some chatter about windows.php.net, which drives me to the question: Do we need that site? Why and for what? Since windows support in PHP is a bit different from Unix systems - unlike all other systems, we provide official binaries - I think having separate domain for it is

Re: [PHP-DEV] windows.php.net

2013-09-01 Thread Pierre Joye
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: So I'd go for fixing what is broken and not fixing what isn't :) Right, I am on it. Snaps page works now except for master. I will finish that this week. As of the announcements, yes, we really want to post windows

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: crc32() and ip2long() return values

2013-09-01 Thread Rasmus Schultz
Matthew, Yes, all of these problems can be solved - I am well aware of that. I am also painfully aware of how much time it can take to solve them reliably. I just would like to see a solution rather than a bunch of work-arounds - not for my own sake, my problem is solved, but for the sake of