On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 11:05 PM Zeev Suraski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 7:27 PM Levi Morrison wrote:
>
> > To all internals, but especially to Zeev and Dmitry,
> >
> > Having a JIT which does not support ZTS is a bit short-sighted.
>
>
> I don't think anybody's advocating for not having
On 2/14/19 8:55 PM, Anatol Belski wrote:
> Hi Nikita,
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nikita Popov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:02 AM
>> To: Dmitry Stogov
>> Cc: Joe Watkins ; Bob Weinand ;
>> Nikita Popov ; Anatol Belski (a...@php.net) ;
>> z...@php.net; PHP internals
>>
Hi Anatol,
On 2/14/19 8:44 PM, Anatol Belski wrote:
> Hi Dmitry,
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dmitry Stogov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:26 AM
>> To: Joe Watkins ; Bob Weinand ;
>> Nikita Popov ; Anatol Belski (a...@php.net) ;
>> z...@php.net
>> Cc: PHP internals
>>
Good morning,
Again a long reply from me, sorry :)
There are a few things I would like to clarify from my perspective.On
Windows, historically (for years), the only usable webserver was
Apache. And the only way to work with it for years as well was
mod_php. Given the Apache's design, it requires
On Thursday, February 14, 2019 4:33:27 PM CST Zeev Suraski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 7:57 PM Larry Garfield
>
> wrote:
> > Data point: At Platform.sh (web host), we've been running ZTS builds of
> > 7.1,
> > 7.2, and 7.3 exclusively for a while now. We don't even offer non-ZTS
> >
Hello,
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 12:54, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>
> On 30.07.2018 at 10:35, Gabriel Caruso wrote:
>
> > Recently, while checking some branches, I’ve noticed that we have really
> > old branches out there in php-src:
> >
> > 15+ years old:
> >
> >- experimental/RETURN_REF
> >
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 7:57 PM Larry Garfield
wrote:
> Data point: At Platform.sh (web host), we've been running ZTS builds of
> 7.1,
> 7.2, and 7.3 exclusively for a while now. We don't even offer non-ZTS
> versions of those releases.
I presume you haven't been using a threaded Web server
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 7:27 PM Levi Morrison wrote:
> To all internals, but especially to Zeev and Dmitry,
>
> Having a JIT which does not support ZTS is a bit short-sighted.
I don't think anybody's advocating for not having ZTS support for JIT. I
am questioning the portof the absence of ZTS
On Thursday, February 14, 2019 9:59:18 AM CST Rowan Collins wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 15:47, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> > On 14.02.2019 at 12:56, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe Watkins wrote:
> > >> The ZTS build is very commonly used in Windows today
> >
Hi Nikita,
> -Original Message-
> From: Nikita Popov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:02 AM
> To: Dmitry Stogov
> Cc: Joe Watkins ; Bob Weinand ;
> Nikita Popov ; Anatol Belski (a...@php.net) ;
> z...@php.net; PHP internals
> Subject: Re: ZTS improvement idea
>
> On Wed, Feb 13,
Hi Dmitry,
> -Original Message-
> From: Dmitry Stogov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:26 AM
> To: Joe Watkins ; Bob Weinand ;
> Nikita Popov ; Anatol Belski (a...@php.net) ;
> z...@php.net
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: ZTS improvement idea
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
>
> After JIT+ZTS
To all internals, but especially to Zeev and Dmitry,
Having a JIT which does not support ZTS is a bit short-sighted. Think
about it. You want to add a JIT partly so that PHP will be better at
non-web, CPU intensive tasks. If the JIT is successful, eventually you
will want parallelism in that
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 6:13 PM Joe Watkins wrote:
> EXACTLY
>
> Sorry I didn't answer in full, but I've been listening to people say its
> not important for so long, I'm pretty tired of it by now.
>
Joe, all,
Again, ISAPI was super important until one day, it wasn't. If the main
reason ZTS
EXACTLY
Sorry I didn't answer in full, but I've been listening to people say its
not important for so long, I'm pretty tired of it by now.
We are talking about merging a thing that has the ability to make some
maths faster, at huge cost to the project, in two days I wrote a new
extension called
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:59 PM Rowan Collins
wrote:
> All that being said, it would be nice if ZTS became more mainstream, so
> more people had access to userland threading / parallel processing
> extensions.
I think the most promising parallel processing paradigms today are based on
On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 15:47, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 14.02.2019 at 12:56, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe Watkins wrote:
> >
> >> The ZTS build is very commonly used in Windows today
> >
> > Any idea why?
>
> windows.php.net:
>
> | With Apache you have to
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Christoph M. Becker
wrote:
> On 14.02.2019 at 12:56, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe Watkins wrote:
> >
> >> The ZTS build is very commonly used in Windows today
> >
> > Any idea why?
>
> windows.php.net:
>
> | With Apache you have
On 14.02.2019 at 12:56, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe Watkins wrote:
>
>> The ZTS build is very commonly used in Windows today
>
> Any idea why?
windows.php.net:
| With Apache you have to use the Thread Safe (TS) versions of PHP.
--
Christoph M. Becker
--
PHP
Packages such as xampp, which are very widely used, bundle a thread safe
interpreter.
It's a fact that ZTS is important on Windows.
Cheers
Joe
On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 16:22, Rowan Collins wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 11:57, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:22 PM Rowan Collins
wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 11:57, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe Watkins wrote:
> >
> > > The ZTS build is very commonly used in Windows today
> > >
> >
> > Any idea why?
> >
>
>
> https://windows.php.net/
On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 11:57, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe Watkins wrote:
>
> > The ZTS build is very commonly used in Windows today
> >
>
> Any idea why?
>
https://windows.php.net/ currently recommends using an NTS build with
FastCGI, but there is (or was?) also
On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 13:34, Arvids Godjuks
wrote:
> I agree with this sentiment and the general idea of shipping JIT as
> experimental in 7.4 and required to build with a configure flag.
> master for 8.0 is going to contain much more and be more unstable and not
> practical for testing what
Morning all,
This idea of an experimental feature as complex as a JIT is dangerous. It
is not finished, and dmitry has said he's not willing to put more time into
until it's merged. That's his prerogative, and it is ours to say that we
don't want unfinished software that only one or two people
On 2/14/19 2:38 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 12:19 PM Nikita Popov wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zeev Suraski wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:20 AM Sebastian Bergmann
>> * First and foremost for me: Maintenance. We are only shortly after
>>
чт, 14 февр. 2019 г. в 14:54, Nicolas Grekas :
> > [...] I think that whether or not we include it in 7.4
> > is a tactical decision (and I'm not sure myself where I stand on it),
> but I
> > do think there's a reasonable case for both directions.
> >
>
> If I may add some voice to Zeev's
Den 2019-02-13 kl. 14:07, skrev Dmitry Stogov:
Hi Internals,
According to comments, code reviews and discussions, JIT RFC was
extended with few new sections.
Please, consider to review the RFC once again.
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/jit
Any suggestion for RFC improvement are welcome.
I'm not
> [...] I think that whether or not we include it in 7.4
> is a tactical decision (and I'm not sure myself where I stand on it), but I
> do think there's a reasonable case for both directions.
>
If I may add some voice to Zeev's arguments, being able to play with JIT as
early as possible would
> On Feb 14, 2019, at 02:33, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>
> Who is in charge of wiki.php.net and updates for its software? I ask because
> every time I am (logged in) on that site I see warnings such as
>
> Hotfix release available: 2018-04-22b "Greebo". upgrade now!
> Hotfix release
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:26 AM Joe Watkins wrote:
> The ZTS build is very commonly used in Windows today
>
Any idea why?
Zeev
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 12:17 PM Rowan Collins
wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 09:43, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
>> Does it mean that when PHP 8.0 comes out (in roughly two years' time most
>> probably), we'd be saying this is experimental? Or that only in the
>> meantime, for the brave folks that
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 12:19 PM Nikita Popov wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:20 AM Sebastian Bergmann
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Am 31.01.2019 um 18:08 schrieb Derick Rethans:
> > > > I do not believe that something major like this
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zeev Suraski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:20 AM Sebastian Bergmann
> wrote:
>
> > Am 31.01.2019 um 18:08 schrieb Derick Rethans:
> > > I do not believe that something major like this should make it into any
> > > PHP 7.x release. Having it as experimental
On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 09:43, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> Does it mean that when PHP 8.0 comes out (in roughly two years' time most
> probably), we'd be saying this is experimental? Or that only in the
> meantime, for the brave folks that want to experiment PHP 8.0 ~2yrs before
> it's released, we'd
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:20 AM Sebastian Bergmann
wrote:
> Am 31.01.2019 um 18:08 schrieb Derick Rethans:
> > I do not believe that something major like this should make it into any
> > PHP 7.x release. Having it as experimental new feature in the master/PHP
> > 8.0 branch makes the most sense
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:38 AM Sebastian Bergmann
wrote:
> Am 14.02.2019 um 08:13 schrieb Gabriel Caruso:
> > Commit:ad75511c8e5461cc6ba5cf7aad8f5265615560a8
> > Author:Gabriel Caruso Fri, 16
> Feb 2018 21:29:34 -0200
> > Parents: d57c56cd6304b92db83180e7939eb6288c3a18af
> >
Who is in charge of wiki.php.net and updates for its software? I ask
because every time I am (logged in) on that site I see warnings such as
Hotfix release available: 2018-04-22b "Greebo". upgrade now!
Hotfix release available: 2018-04-22a "Greebo". upgrade now!
New release available:
Am 31.01.2019 um 18:08 schrieb Derick Rethans:
I do not believe that something major like this should make it into any
PHP 7.x release. Having it as experimental new feature in the master/PHP
8.0 branch makes the most sense to me.
ACK
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