Re: [PHP-DEV] Capturing reasons for votes for historical sake?

2020-03-18 Thread Levi Morrison via internals
It is my opinion that voting "no" should not require any more effort than voting "yes". Voting "no" is just as reasonable as voting "yes". We do not need to justify our opinion. The burden of documenting the historical reasons for "no" should be placed on the RFC authors, not the voters. -- PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Capturing reasons for votes for historical sake?

2020-03-18 Thread Jakob Givoni
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 7:15 PM Mark Randall wrote: > Well, they shouldn't be casting a vote in the first place. Hear! Hear! Ok, I don't mean to be harsh, but rather to demonstrate a way that you can express agreement with something someone else has said without repeating it. Maybe if more

Re: [PHP-DEV] Capturing reasons for votes for historical sake?

2020-03-18 Thread Mark Randall
On 18/03/2020 23:22, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: I am not gonna personally answer a survey everytime I vote against a feature. This is why we have a discussion period to raise issues, of course not everyone will raise all their concerns to each and every RFC (me included, take the annotation

Re: [PHP-DEV] Capturing reasons for votes for historical sake?

2020-03-18 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den man. 16. mar. 2020 kl. 20.29 skrev Mike Schinkel : > > Hi all, > > Seeing people referencing former RFCs that failed when someone brings up an > RFC (which is a good thing to reference, BTW) I am finally compelled to > comment in hope there would be will to improve it. > > When court

Re: [PHP-DEV] Capturing reasons for votes for historical sake?

2020-03-18 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 17.03.2020 at 20:33, Mike Schinkel wrote: >> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:44 AM, Christoph M. Becker wrote: >> >> On 17.03.2020 at 09:26, Nikita Popov wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:09 PM Jakob Givoni wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:29 PM Mike Schinkel wrote: > If we had

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Discussion] Promoting declare failure notices to exceptions?

2020-03-18 Thread Nikita Popov
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:20 PM Mark Randall wrote: > Greetings, > > I have created a PR that will throw exceptions when using define() > with invalid types or when trying to redefine. > > Trying to redefine a constant or define a bad constant would throw a > ValueError on the name parameter,

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Server-Side Request and Response Objects (v2)

2020-03-18 Thread Paul M. Jones
Hi all, With the name change from `ServerRequest` to `SapiRequest` (et al.), discussion appears to have waned again. I believe all relevant questions have been answered and recorded at this point. Please review the updated RFC and implementation, and present any more

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Immutable/final/readonly properties

2020-03-18 Thread Larry Garfield
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Máté Kocsis wrote: > At this point I'd like to repeat one of my previously mentioned arguments > for the feature: > if we have an immutable PSR-7 that is used all over the PHP ecosystem, and > we also have > lots of people who wish for more type-level strictness

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Karma

2020-03-18 Thread Craig Francis
Thanks Nikita. On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 10:59, Nikita Popov wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:52 AM Craig Francis > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've created a Wiki account (craigfrancis), and I believe the next step is >> to ask for RFC Karma. >> >> This is so I can write up about the suggested

[PHP-DEV] Re: RFC Karma

2020-03-18 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 18.03.2020 at 11:51, Craig Francis wrote: > I've created a Wiki account (craigfrancis), and I believe the next step is > to ask for RFC Karma. > > This is so I can write up about the suggested is_literal() function. > > https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/108977 You should already have RFC

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Karma

2020-03-18 Thread Nikita Popov
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:52 AM Craig Francis wrote: > Hi, > > I've created a Wiki account (craigfrancis), and I believe the next step is > to ask for RFC Karma. > > This is so I can write up about the suggested is_literal() function. > > https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/108977 > > Craig

[PHP-DEV] RFC Karma

2020-03-18 Thread Craig Francis
Hi, I've created a Wiki account (craigfrancis), and I believe the next step is to ask for RFC Karma. This is so I can write up about the suggested is_literal() function. https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/108977 Craig