On 11.05.2021 at 18:58, Kamil Tekiela wrote:
> On 11.05.2021 at 18:44, Peter Bowyer wrote:
>
>> I doubt "bottom posting" is a term people who started online in the
>> last 10 years know - with today/yesterday's example, my takeaway was
>> the original poster didn't know what it meant.
>
> Yeah,
Am 11.05.2021 um 19:02 schrieb Calvin Buckley :
> - almost all modern mail clients are threaded, it's trivial to view
> context, so I want to see replies "above the fold"
Funnily enough the fact the mail clients are threaded nowadays is a good reason
for me to use inline replies with rigorously
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 05:34:41PM +0100, Good Guy wrote:
> With top posts people can go straight to the point raised by the poster. If
> anyone is following the thread, he doesn't need 3 pages of previous posts.
> All he needs is what is being posted by the poster in question.
I completely
I'm just going to say...
- almost all modern mail clients are threaded, it's trivial to view
context, so I want to see replies "above the fold"
- bottom posting goes against the grain of modern mail clients
- overall, it just feels like arbitrary preferences set decades ago;
worst case it feels
> I doubt "bottom posting" is a term people who started online in the last
10
years know - with today/yesterday's example, my takeaway was the original
poster didn't know what it meant.
Yeah, the first time I heard about it is on this mailing list. I didn't
know it was a thing before, and I admit
Am 11.05.2021 um 18:42 schrieb Kamil Tekiela :
> Compare the two messages from Sara, the first where she top posted and the
> second where she bottom posted. Which one is more clear?
> https://imgur.com/TUiHval
The second one which shows me what Sara is referring to.
Imagine it just said "I don't
On Mon, 10 May 2021 at 22:52, Kamil Tekiela wrote:
> Almost all new contributors fall into this trap and reply to a thread by
> top-posting, only to get chastised by someone else on the list.
>
I like bottom-posting or point-by-point replies, but would drop the rule
and make the list a more
On 11/05/2021 15:36, Sara Golemon wrote:
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 9:21 AM Chase Peeler wrote:
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 2:34 AM Mel Dafert wrote:
(Gmail certainly can't, it can't even send non-HTML mails, and even with
K-9 I have to remember doing it.)
I’m sending this from gmail on my phone,
And readable
On Tue, May 11, 2021, 18:42 Kamil Tekiela wrote:
> I completely agree with Good Guy. Top posting is just way more convenient.
>
Compare the two messages from Sara, the first where she top posted and the
second where she bottom posted. Which one is more clear?
https://imgur.com/TUiHval
I completely agree with Good Guy. Top posting is just way more convenient.
People are using smart phones these days so top posting is very
convenient. As you say people don't read the entire thread so why keep
them in the posts when replying? Surely, there are other means to get
the gist of the discussion if one wants to be reminded about.
On 11/05/2021 08:23,
With top posts people can go straight to the point raised by the
poster. If anyone is following the thread, he doesn't need 3 pages of
previous posts. All he needs is what is being posted by the poster in
question.
People don't need the history of entire thread in one post because it is
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 11:48 AM Michael Morris wrote:
> If this list has ever had a "bike shed" issue, this would be it.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
>
>
>
I agree, but it's within its own thread and not hijacking other ones, so no
harm in discussing it.
>
> On Tue, May
If this list has ever had a "bike shed" issue, this would be it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 10:01 AM Mel Dafert wrote:
> >> This plaintext reply sent via Gmail web client. I don't know what Mel is
> >> talking about either.
> >>
> >>
> >Gmail's
Am 11.05.2021 um 17:01 schrieb Mel Dafert :
>>> This plaintext reply sent via Gmail web client. I don't know what Mel is
>>> talking about either.
>>>
>> Gmail's web client is what I normally use, and have never had an issue with
>> it.
>
> Sorry for being unclear - I meant the Gmail android
> Le 11 mai 2021 à 09:11, Marco Pivetta a écrit :
>
> Sure, why not: email clients are decent enough to hide quoted sections
> anyway
>
> Heck, even my phone can read top-posts, and the rest of the folks (reddit,
> mostly) use https://externals.io/ anyway 路
>
> Feel free to call me out for
>> This plaintext reply sent via Gmail web client. I don't know what Mel is
>> talking about either.
>>
>>
>Gmail's web client is what I normally use, and have never had an issue with
>it.
Sorry for being unclear - I meant the Gmail android app.
If the app does have an option for plaintext
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 10:36 AM Sara Golemon wrote:
> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 9:21 AM Chase Peeler
> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 2:34 AM Mel Dafert wrote:
> > > (Gmail certainly can't, it can't even send non-HTML mails, and even
> with
> > > K-9 I have to remember doing it.)
> > >
> >
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 9:21 AM Chase Peeler wrote:
> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 2:34 AM Mel Dafert wrote:
> > (Gmail certainly can't, it can't even send non-HTML mails, and even with
> > K-9 I have to remember doing it.)
> >
> I’m sending this from gmail on my phone, so not sure what you are
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 2:34 AM Mel Dafert wrote:
> On 10 May 2021 23:57:51 CEST, Christian Schneider
> wrote:
> >No.
> >Outlook is not modern.
>
> While I agree with this (and I also agree with keeping bottom-posting), I
> feel like we could make this easier
> for new contributors by giving
-1. Top posting encourages lazy email composition. One should put an ounce
of thought into how one organizes a response.
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 4:52 PM Kamil Tekiela wrote:
>
> Hi Internals,
>
> Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
>
> Almost all new contributors fall into this trap and reply
Den tir. 11. maj 2021 kl. 00.52 skrev Kamil Tekiela :
> Could we please change this rule or at least stop enforcing it?
> Do people actually have mail clients that don't automatically hide the
> previous conversation? If not, then I think we can let people top-post.
-1. I feel the same as Stas
Le 10/05/2021 à 23:51, Kamil Tekiela a écrit :
Hi Internals,
Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
I'm opposed to dropping the bottom-posting rule, for the simple reason
that you naturally read from top to bottom, and most people don't bother
reading again the whole thread when they read a
Sure, why not: email clients are decent enough to hide quoted sections
anyway
Heck, even my phone can read top-posts, and the rest of the folks (reddit,
mostly) use https://externals.io/ anyway 路
Feel free to call me out for top-posting this
On Mon, May 10, 2021, 23:52 Kamil Tekiela wrote:
On 10 May 2021 23:57:51 CEST, Christian Schneider wrote:
>No.
>Outlook is not modern.
While I agree with this (and I also agree with keeping bottom-posting), I feel
like we could make this easier
for new contributors by giving some examples of which clients to use and how to
configure them.
Am 10.05.2021 um 23:51 schrieb Kamil Tekiela:
Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
Please: no.
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Hi!
No I don't agree. People can do whatever is convenient for them. Some
will top-post; Some will bottom-post and some will inter-post. By
interpost I mean people will try to respond to a post on a point by
point basis.
The thing is when you alone, you're free to do what is convenient
That would be great!
I had an unpleasant experience with this "rule". You start disagreeing with
someone regarding an RFC and suddenly it becomes a reason to be called out.
Not to mention that when I was pointed to the internal rules and
guidelines, bottom posting is not explicitly listed as a
On 10 May 2021 22:51:49 BST, Kamil Tekiela wrote:
>Hi Internals,
>
>Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
No.
cheers,
Derick
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On Mon, May 10, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Good Guy wrote:
> On 10/05/2021 23:00, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > Please do not change - keep bottom posting.
>
>
> No I don't agree. People can do whatever is convenient for them. Some
> will top-post; Some will bottom-post and some will inter-post.
On 10/05/2021 23:00, Alain D D Williams wrote:
Please do not change - keep bottom posting.
No I don't agree. People can do whatever is convenient for them. Some
will top-post; Some will bottom-post and some will inter-post. By
interpost I mean people will try to respond to a post on a
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:51:49PM +0100, Kamil Tekiela wrote:
> Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
Please do not change - keep bottom posting.
> Bottom-posting makes reading the thread much more difficult too.
I really find top posting highly confusing. Bottom (or rather interleaved)
No.
Outlook is not modern.
No.
That's not the point, the missing context is.
Sorry, could not resist ;-)
- Chris
> Am 10.05.2021 um 23:51 schrieb Kamil Tekiela :
>
> Hi Internals,
>
> Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
>
> Almost all new contributors fall into this trap and reply to a
Hi Internals,
Could we drop the bottom-posting rule?
Almost all new contributors fall into this trap and reply to a thread by
top-posting, only to get chastised by someone else on the list. It's really
difficult to remember to delete the default reply. Mail clients don't make
it easy for us;
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