Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Vasilii Shpilchin
Voting for an rfc could be a quickest way to make a decision, since the community does not have a consensus about the topic. On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 6:33 PM Kris Craig wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 3:14 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Kris Craig wrote: > > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 3:14 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Kris Craig wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:53 PM Chase Peeler wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:40 PM Kris Craig wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Chase Peeler
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:53 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:40 PM Kris Craig wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler >>> wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 3:09 PM  Good Guy  wrote: > On 06/03/2022 22:32, Kris Craig wrote: > > From a philosophical perspective, it could be argued that the war was > > already underway. And since Hitler started that war to conquer, I would > > argue that WWII, like every other war, was

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread  Good Guy 
On 06/03/2022 22:32, Kris Craig wrote: > From a philosophical perspective, it could be argued that the war was > already underway. And since Hitler started that war to conquer, I would > argue that WWII, like every other war, was unnecessary. > > That's not to say it wasn't necessary for the

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:53 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:40 PM Kris Craig wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris Craig wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Chase Peeler
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:40 PM Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris Craig wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov >>> wrote: >>> >>> > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig wrote: >>> >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 12:36 PM Chase Peeler wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris Craig wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov >> wrote: >> >> > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig wrote: >> > >> > Specifically, I would direct this question to Pierre and

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Chase Peeler
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 3:23 PM Kris Craig wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov > wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > Specifically, I would direct this question to Pierre and Viktor: Do you > > believe that "Arrest Dictator Putin" is appropriate

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Kris Craig
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 10:17 AM Victor Bolshov wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig wrote: > > Specifically, I would direct this question to Pierre and Viktor: Do you > believe that "Arrest Dictator Putin" is appropriate for the PHP homepage? > > > As a Russian who fled his country

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread Victor Bolshov
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 14:26, Kris Craig wrote: Specifically, I would direct this question to Pierre and Viktor: Do you believe that "Arrest Dictator Putin" is appropriate for the PHP homepage? As a Russian who fled his country because of arising concerns over Mr. Putin's regime, I find any

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-06 Thread  Good Guy 
On 05/03/2022 22:26, Kris Craig wrote: > > out a statement of solidarity with the victims of war or are we talking > about putting out a political statement demanding the arrest of a world > leader? *THE TWO ARE NOT ONE AND THE SAME!! * Putin is no longer a world leader by any standards. He

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-05 Thread Kris Craig
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 7:05 AM  Good Guy  wrote: > On 05/03/2022 11:45, Sergey Panteleev wrote: > > > > Several members have asked not to have a debate on this mailing list, > > let's respect their opinions too. > > > > > > > > It's not debating. The original post was simply asking to show

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-05 Thread  Good Guy 
On 05/03/2022 11:45, Sergey Panteleev wrote: > > Several members have asked not to have a debate on this mailing list, > let's respect their opinions too. > > > It's not debating. The original post was simply asking to show true colors of Ukraine's flag in these posts but HTML is not allowed

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-05 Thread Sergey Panteleev
Please, let's not start attacking each other here, everyone is nervous enough as it is. Several members have asked not to have a debate on this mailing list, let's respect their opinions too. As an option, I suggest either creating a PR with a news/banner and discussing _there_ in the comments,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-05 Thread Kris Craig
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 2:29 AM Maxime Veber wrote: > Guys, there's no place for debate here. > > You may not like how Marco is talking to you but he's deeply right. > > I'll be asking only one thing: what help do you need for a warning to > appear on the PHP website. > - Pull request with a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-05 Thread Maxime Veber
Guys, there's no place for debate here. You may not like how Marco is talking to you but he's deeply right. I'll be asking only one thing: what help do you need for a warning to appear on the PHP website. - Pull request with a flag? - Content for an article saying the PHP community stands with

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-05 Thread Marco Pivetta
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 04:31 Kris Craig, wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote: > >> Hey Christian, >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: >> >> > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of >> > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Kris Craig
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:16 PM Pierre Joye wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:31 AM Kris Craig wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote: >> >> >> But that doesn't mean we should be using the PHP website to start taking >> sides in military conflicts. >> > > There is no

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 10:31 AM Kris Craig wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote: > > > But that doesn't mean we should be using the PHP website to start taking > sides in military conflicts. > There is no side to take but the population in Ukraine, friends, family,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Kris Craig
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:51 AM Marco Pivetta wrote: > Hey Christian, > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of > > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against > > Viktor Yanukovych and its

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Chase Peeler
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 8:53 PM Michael Morris wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 3:31 AM Victor Bolshov > wrote: > > > Hello internals. > > > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > > to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Michael Morris
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 3:31 AM Victor Bolshov wrote: > Hello internals. > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Hamza Ahmad
A yes from my side. On 3/4/22, Joe Watkins wrote: > Morning internals, > > Today, some friends of the project, people we consider leaders even, are > waking up in a war zone. > > They are living an unimaginable horror, and as I sit here and type, I fight > back tears for them ... I am afraid for

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Joe Watkins
Morning internals, Today, some friends of the project, people we consider leaders even, are waking up in a war zone. They are living an unimaginable horror, and as I sit here and type, I fight back tears for them ... I am afraid for them, their families, their lives. The feeling of helplessness

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Victor Bolshov
Exactly. What context are we not understanding? Condemn war. Peace is the only side PHP is about to take, it is ALWAYS good to be for peace and against war. Is this going to separate the PHP community in any way? No. Just - NO. Easy as that. On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 09:25, Lynn wrote: On Fri,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Lynn
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 9:17 AM Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Den fre. 4. mar. 2022 kl. 01.18 skrev Lynn : > > Not making a statement is also making a statement. > > I disagree, assuming a stance without understanding the context is insanity > > What context are we not understanding?

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den fre. 4. mar. 2022 kl. 01.38 skrev Eugene Sidelnyk : > > You can't just go the usual way like nothing happens. This is the same as if > you know someone dying and say: well, I can't help with anything, so I will > do nothing against it. Inaction in such cases offends people. Banner is the >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-04 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den fre. 4. mar. 2022 kl. 01.18 skrev Lynn : > Not making a statement is also making a statement. I disagree, assuming a stance without understanding the context is insanity -- regards, Kalle Sommer Nielsen ka...@php.net -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread  Good Guy 
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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Paul Crovella
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:51 PM G. P. B. wrote: > > Moreover, at the time of writing this, none of the following programming > languages have any messages in regards to the war: > - Python (https://www.python.org/) > - TypeScript (https://www.typescriptlang.org/) > - Rust

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread G. P. B.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 09:31, Victor Bolshov wrote: > Hello internals. > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
You can't just go the usual way like nothing happens. This is the same as if you know someone dying and say: well, I can't help with anything, so I will do nothing against it. Inaction in such cases offends people. Banner is the least possible, still useful way to help and people will know you are

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Lynn
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:46 PM Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 20.29 skrev Eugene Sidelnyk >: > > > > BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) > > issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? > > The problem is making a political

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 11:46:39PM +0200, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 20.29 skrev Eugene Sidelnyk : > > > > BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) > > issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? > > The problem is making a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 20.29 skrev Eugene Sidelnyk : > > BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) > issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? The problem is making a political statement. This is not something the PHP project does; you may think that it

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Max Semenik
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > Maybe we'd create an RFC, create an poll and decide this way? Each of these options would require some time, and time is something not we don't have plenty of. If such a banner appears two weeks from now, how much sense would it make? Can

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 8:27 PM Max Semenik wrote: > Each of these options would take some time, and time is what > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM Eugene Sidelnyk > wrote: >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Max Semenik
Each of these options would take some time, and time is what On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > Maybe we'd create an RFC, create an poll and decide this way? > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 8:10 PM Alain D D Williams wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 07:56:39PM +0200, Eugene

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Vasilii Shpilchin
There's no such thing as 70% support of Putin. A people from ouside of Russia has no chance to understand the internal situation. As a russian living in USA I must say, any (any) mainstream media to fake the Russia's image, more or less. But russian people is under pressure for many years,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
Maybe we'd create an RFC, create an poll and decide this way? On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 8:10 PM Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 07:56:39PM +0200, Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > > > If you, as PHP community, do not do anything about it, it would mean that > > you don't care. Well,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 07:56:39PM +0200, Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > If you, as PHP community, do not do anything about it, it would mean that > you don't care. Well, everyone who writes php internals is for discussion > of php internals only doesn't care and probably won't. Not true, I do care. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
And how do they approach the issue? How effective is their approach? Currently I don't see any result of it. About won't change - I don't agree. At leas for someone it would. The more people see something the more they believe in it. This is exactly how propaganda works On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 7:59

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Chase Peeler
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:56 PM Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > All the world currently talks about the situation in Ukraine. Everyone who > knows the truth are trying to help stop invasion. The main problem here is > that most of Russian people believe in Putin's political position. Moreover > they

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
All the world currently talks about the situation in Ukraine. Everyone who knows the truth are trying to help stop invasion. The main problem here is that most of Russian people believe in Putin's political position. Moreover they will have Instagram and Twitter blocked soon in Russia so that they

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Arvids Godjuks
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 11:31, Victor Bolshov wrote: > Hello internals. > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 11.54 skrev Christian Schneider : > Even if a project stays neutral on most topics does not mean there is not a > threshold where joining a wide-spread appeal or sign of solidarity is the > right thing to do. Yeah and that same argument can be applied to both the

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 03.03.2022 um 10:11 schrieb Kalle Sommer Nielsen : > Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 10.48 skrev Sergey Panteleev > : >> >> I'd suggest making a PR with the News (press release) in web-php >> and maybe discussing it already on GitHub, >> since it would get more coverage and we can hear more

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 10.48 skrev Sergey Panteleev : > > I'd suggest making a PR with the News (press release) in web-php > and maybe discussing it already on GitHub, > since it would get more coverage and we can hear more opinions. The moment you do that, you put the PHP project into making

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Sergey Panteleev
I'd suggest making a PR with the News (press release) in web-php and maybe discussing it already on GitHub, since it would get more coverage and we can hear more opinions. But I'm very much afraid that this could lead to an uncontrolled flow of messages, as it was recently in the github/feedback

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Victor Bolshov
Even a simple sign of solidarity against the war is important, if this is something community can agree to, without having to fall into mutual hatred. I personally would love to see a clear support for Ukraine, but if that will be causing endless debate I would give up on this in favor of a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Sergey Panteleev
Hey all, I'd like to add my 2c: I agree that php.net is not the right place to express our personal citizenship. It's better to use Twitter, Facebook, or another social network for these purposes. If you believe that the PHP community is obliged to show solidarity on the  php.net, and not

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey Paul, All. On 03.03.22 00:45, Paul Dragoonis wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 11:11 PM Paul Crovella wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:08 PM Stanislav Malyshev wrote: That said, if somebody were to design a logo version with Ukraine flag In case anyone has use for it:

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Paul Dragoonis
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 11:11 PM Paul Crovella wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:08 PM Stanislav Malyshev > wrote: > > > > That said, if somebody were to design a logo version with Ukraine flag > > > > In case anyone has use for it: https://svgshare.com/i/epJ.svg > > Colors are #0057b7 and

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Paul Crovella
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:08 PM Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > > That said, if somebody were to design a logo version with Ukraine flag > In case anyone has use for it: https://svgshare.com/i/epJ.svg Colors are #0057b7 and #ffd700, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ukraine#Design, with a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hello all, I do not know if anybody here knows much about me personally, but I was born in Ukraine, lived there for all my youth and my relatives and friends are still there. You can imagine my feelings about this horrible attack on Ukraine that is going on right now. I am sincerely and

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Andreas Hennings
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:07, Chase Peeler wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:03 PM Alain D D Williams > wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Victor Bolshov wrote: > > > Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions > > and > > > supplies of letal arms

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Chase Peeler
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:03 PM Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Victor Bolshov wrote: > > Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions > and > > supplies of letal arms to Ukraine from EU countries, Putin has ordered > > Russian

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den ons. 2. mar. 2022 kl. 18.33 skrev Victor Bolshov : > This is going to cause debate, I was sure about it. And if the community > agrees at least to state "NO WAR", that is already something. PHP is not a media, it is an open source project. While our individual contributors can choose to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Victor Bolshov wrote: > Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions and > supplies of letal arms to Ukraine from EU countries, Putin has ordered > Russian nuclear forces to switch to a special alert regime, which means they >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Victor Bolshov
Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions and supplies of letal arms to Ukraine from EU countries, Putin has ordered Russian nuclear forces to switch to a special alert regime, which means they will be ready to strike at any moment. Anything that can help stop this

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Victor Bolshov
This is going to cause debate, I was sure about it. And if the community agrees at least to state "NO WAR", that is already something. To provide more context on Putin's propaganda: he has been consistently putting more and more restrictions on nearly each and every independent media. I can

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den ons. 2. mar. 2022 kl. 14.51 skrev Marco Pivetta : > Please GTFO: we don't need more of Putin's propaganda over here, as they're > busy enough with butchering civilians over there. I heavily agree with this matter, the PHP project should remain neutral. Seeing this thread already makes me

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread naitsirch
Am 02-Mar-2022 16:02:41 +0100 schrieb der...@derickrethans.nl: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote: > > > I only wanted to make clear, that if we start to support Ukraine as > > the victimized party in this conflict we have to do that in other > > conflicts, too. > > This is a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote: > I only wanted to make clear, that if we start to support Ukraine as > the victimized party in this conflict we have to do that in other > conflicts, too. This is a logical fallacy called whataboutery, and an invention of the Soviet Union

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread naitsirch
Am 02-Mar-2022 15:19:54 +0100 schrieb andr...@heigl.org: > Hey. > > On 02.03.22 14:56, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote: > > > > > > Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com: > >> > >> Hey Christian, > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > >>> this is exactly the problem.

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey. On 02.03.22 14:56, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote: Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com: Hey Christian, On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Chase Peeler
_ > From: Victor Bolshov > Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:31:05 AM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop > Russian agression > > Hello internals. > > In these dark days for humanit

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Michał Marcin Brzuchalski
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 14:56 napisał(a): > > > Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com: > > > > Hey Christian, > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out > of nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey Aaron. On 02.03.22 14:34, Aaron Junker wrote: Hi all As I see this there is strong agreement against war, but not for taking a side on a conflict. So then why not showing a banner or something against war. No war or side in particular just for humanity and peace. I think that's

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread naitsirch
Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com: > > Hey Christian, > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of > > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against > > Viktor

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Michał Marcin Brzuchalski
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 14:34 Aaron Junker napisał(a): > Hi all > > As I see this there is strong agreement against war, but not for taking a > side on a conflict. > > So then why not showing a banner or something against war. No war or side > in particular just for humanity and peace. > > I think

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Michał Marcin Brzuchalski
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 14:00 Andreas Heigl napisał(a): > Hey All > > On 02.03.22 13:50, Marco Pivetta wrote: > > Hey Christian, > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > > >> this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of > >> nowhere. The story started in 2014 with

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Aaron Junker
all think. Best regards Aaron From: Victor Bolshov Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:31:05 AM To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression Hello internals. In these dark days for humanity, we

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey All On 02.03.22 13:50, Marco Pivetta wrote: Hey Christian, On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against Viktor Yanukovych and its acceptance by the

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Michał Marcin Brzuchalski
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 13:51 Marco Pivetta napisał(a): > Hey Christian, > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of > > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against > > Viktor Yanukovych and its

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Dan Ackroyd
Hi Victor, I have strong feelings about the war and that people should be taking whatever personal action they can (check my pinned tweet, @MrDanack), but: i) PHP Internals is for discussion of PHP internals. ii) We have contributors on both sides of the conflict. There are also many other

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Marco Pivetta
Hey Christian, On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote: > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against > Viktor Yanukovych and its acceptance by the western countries. Or even > earlier, with the

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread naitsirch
> > Von: naitsi...@e.mail.de > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. März 2022, 12:16 > An: andr...@heigl.org; internals@lists.php.net; crocodil...@gmail.com > Betreff: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop > Russian agression > &

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Aaron Junker
t: Mittwoch, 2. März 2022, 12:16 An: andr...@heigl.org; internals@lists.php.net; crocodil...@gmail.com Betreff: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression Am 02-Mar-2022 11:39:01 +0100 schrieb andr...@heigl.org: > Hey All > > On 02.03.22 11:16, Aaron

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread naitsirch
t; > To: Victor Bolshov > > Cc: PHP internals > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop > > Russian agression > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:31 AM Victor Bolshov > > wrote: > > > >> Hello

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Andreas Heigl
Hey All On 02.03.22 11:16, Aaron Junker wrote: I'm not an internal, but I support this idea. From: Lynn Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:36:32 AM To: Victor Bolshov Cc: PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Aaron Junker
I'm not an internal, but I support this idea. From: Lynn Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:36:32 AM To: Victor Bolshov Cc: PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:31 AM

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Lynn
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:31 AM Victor Bolshov wrote: > Hello internals. > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian >

[PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-02 Thread Victor Bolshov
Hello internals. In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian aggression. I suggest to add Ukranian flag and a supportive