> On Jul 20, 2021, at 3:44 AM, Lynn wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer
> wrote:
>
>> I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
>> mailing list and cannot.
>>
>> It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
>>
> On Jul 22, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Tiffany Taylor
> wrote:
>
> Forwarding this to internals because I mistakenly replied to an email
> directly.
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 2:33 AM Peter Bowyer
> wrote:
>
Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
>> not
Forwarding this to internals because I mistakenly replied to an email
directly.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 2:33 AM Peter Bowyer
wrote:
> > > Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
> not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 23:34, Bob
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> When decisions are just a matter of bikeshedding, or deciding what "style"
> the language should have, there is a strong argument for general democracy,
> and a strong voice for those who use the language.
>
> But some decisions have
i can't prove that i was shadowbanned but after a huge fight with someone
on this mailing list, i stopped getting all responses from it, even just
general help commands, for about 6 years. mysteriously it just started
working again last year with nothing done on my part, and here i am, right
where
On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 at 14:47, Tobias Nyholm wrote:
> There has not been many (maybe just one or two) RFCs where I wished the
> vote turned out the other way.
>
This was the reason that I did *not* think that I needed a vote, as a
prolific PHP coder — while individual voters might be voting the
Hey Mike
Am 20.07.21 um 15:11 schrieb Mike Schinkel:
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Andreas Heigl wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mike
>>
>> Thank you for your feedback!
>>
>> Am 20.07.21 um 11:57 schrieb Mike Schinkel:
>>> Quoting the RFC
>>>
the requester has contributed to the PHP sourcecode
On 20/07/2021 06:37, Tobias Nyholm wrote:
I also saw suggestions that one has to be a good core developer to be able
to influence PHP. I find it particularly strange if it would be a
requirement.
When decisions are just a matter of bikeshedding, or deciding what
"style" the language should
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Andreas Heigl wrote:
>
> Hey Mike
>
> Thank you for your feedback!
>
> Am 20.07.21 um 11:57 schrieb Mike Schinkel:
>> Quoting the RFC
>>
>>> the requester has contributed to the PHP sourcecode ecosystem.
>>
>> You mention what types of contributions apply, but
Hey Mike
Thank you for your feedback!
Am 20.07.21 um 11:57 schrieb Mike Schinkel:
> Quoting the RFC
>
>> the requester has contributed to the PHP sourcecode ecosystem.
>
> You mention what types of contributions apply, but give no indication of
> quantity. If someone fixes one bug, does that
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 2:22 AM Andreas Heigl wrote:
> Hey All
>
> Am 19.07.21 um 17:02 schrieb Andreas Heigl:
> > Hey All
> >
> > Am 19.07.21 um 16:34 schrieb Levi Morrison via internals:
> >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM
Hey Hamza
Am 20.07.21 um 13:12 schrieb Hamza Ahmad:
> I am not going to critique the RFC; rather, I say that this RFC needs
> a fresh rewrite because I find more like it a set of instructions. The
> proposal needs to be a detailed one. It seams as if it is written
> hastily.
As noted in the
I am not going to critique the RFC; rather, I say that this RFC needs
a fresh rewrite because I find more like it a set of instructions. The
proposal needs to be a detailed one. It seams as if it is written
hastily.
As Tobias has mentioned that he has been reading the RFCs for years,
there is a
On 20.07.2021 08:22, Andreas Heigl wrote:
> the requester has contributed to the PHP sourcecode ecosystem. That
can be (but is not limited to):
>Contributions to the PHP-Sources
>Contributions to the Documentation or the Translation
>Triage, solve or otherwise interact with bugs
Quoting the RFC
> the requester has contributed to the PHP sourcecode ecosystem.
You mention what types of contributions apply, but give no indication of
quantity. If someone fixes one bug, does that give them voting rights? I
would assume not. So is it two bugs, 10 bugs, 100?
> these
Hey Jordan, Hey All.
Am 20.07.21 um 10:07 schrieb Jordan LeDoux:
> Another aspect that I thought about after reading your draft was a way to
> structurally avoid concerns about stacking. I don't believe that there
> would necessarily be overt efforts to grant karma to individuals to push
>
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:50 AM Bruce Weirdan wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:45 AM Lynn wrote:
> > I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
> > the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
> > about it.
>
> I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:45 AM Lynn wrote:
> I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
> the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
> about it.
I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this:
Matches (goes into 'Has words' field):
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:23 PM Andreas Heigl wrote:
> Hey All
>
> Am 19.07.21 um 17:02 schrieb Andreas Heigl:
> > Hey All
> >
> > Am 19.07.21 um 16:34 schrieb Levi Morrison via internals:
> >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer
wrote:
> I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
> mailing list and cannot.
>
> It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
> different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure
> > Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 23:34, Bob Magic wrote:
> i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old mailing
> list, but i completely lack a suggestion that
Hey All
Am 19.07.21 um 17:02 schrieb Andreas Heigl:
> Hey All
>
> Am 19.07.21 um 16:34 schrieb Levi Morrison via internals:
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm
>>> wrote:
>>>
Hey.
I would like to get karma to be
Thank you all for your input.
I understand that I should be more active on the mailing list to get some
history. I think that is reasonable, but I don’t see why that is important.
I’m not applying based on my C skills, knowledge of processes or my
previous technical arguments. So, I can only
> Sounds like we need an RFC to make it clearer how voting karma for the
> RFC process will be granted in the future.
Yes, I agree. I would love to join that team, which is going to
prepare this RFC. Plus, I have shared some of the ideas in the
previous message.
Best
Hamza
On 7/19/21, Andreas
> Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not
interact with RFCs or the mailing list.
it does not help that depending on how you get the mailing list (like me,
in digest form) its almost impossible to actually chime in. just to reply
to this i have done about 13
Hey All
Am 19.07.21 um 16:34 schrieb Levi Morrison via internals:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey.
>>> I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that
>>> voting karma isn’t
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm
> wrote:
>
> > Hey.
> > I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that
> > voting karma isn’t usually given out to people who write their first
> > mailing list entry.
>
Hello all,
Tobias wants to obtain a right that lets him represent the community
in the RFCs' approval. Tobias, as for the feature requests, you can
discuss and propose your own ideas. You can also obtain RFC karma to
propose your ideas and contribute to the language.
As for the people that are
Den man. 19. jul. 2021 kl. 13.14 skrev Lynn :
> Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do not
> interact with RFCs or the mailing list. Regardless of the reasons one may
> have for wanting to vote, the requirements given should be applied equally if
> this is the
>
> I know I’m not a “project leader” for any of the handful large PHP
> projects. I also know that I am far from the “top 1000 best developers”
> list. But I know that there are not many people (if any) that have a larger
> impact of user-land PHP right now.
>
> (I do acknowledge that there are
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:47 AM Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote:
> Why is it then fair to give them voting rights if they only contribute
> their vote but not words before hand? Why is it only possible to give
> feedback in terms of a +1 or -1 and not feedback in text form? Because
> if its only
Den man. 19. jul. 2021 kl. 12.11 skrev Lynn :
> I fully agree with this, as a developer I do not want to worry about low
> level php changes that do not directly impact me. Therefore I think that
> people who do get impacted by this (for example open-source package
> managers), at least get a
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 10:33 AM Pierre wrote:
> Le 19/07/2021 à 10:11, Lynn a écrit :
> > A vast majority of proprietary code depends on open-source community
> > written by the community.
>
> All your arguments are good ones, even if in my position I don't agree
> with everything.
On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm
wrote:
> Hey.
> I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that
> voting karma isn’t usually given out to people who write their first
> mailing list entry.
>
> But I do believe I qualify as “Lead developers of PHP based
Le 19/07/2021 à 10:11, Lynn a écrit :
A vast majority of proprietary code depends on open-source community
written by the community.
All your arguments are good ones, even if in my position I don't agree
with everything. Nevertheless, I specifically don't agree with this one:
a lot of
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 9:41 AM Pierre wrote:
> - For once, I'm writing PHP since PHP 3, and doing it professionally
> for more than 15 years, I wrote PHP code 8+ hours a day for the latest
> 15 years (more or less), I'm one of the many silent users for which each
> language feature change
Le 18/07/2021 à 22:46, Kalle Sommer Nielsen a écrit :
Hi
Den søn. 18. jul. 2021 kl. 21.47 skrev Tobias Nyholm :
Hey.
I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that voting
karma isn’t usually given out to people who write their first mailing list
entry.
I'm not
Hi!
I think PHP’s biggest strength is its large and active community. But
in my opinion, PHP (source/internals) often miss to benefit from our
great community. I am happy to help making changes, but I feel like
it is an impossible task for me… I mean, I cannot even update an
outdated wiki
Thank you Kalle for the reply.
I do admire and respect Ondřej and his work on PHPStan. He is really talented
and from what I hear a really nice person. But please don’t confuse Ondřej’s 8
packages with over 100.000 monthly downloads with my 50 packages plus another
100 in the Symfony
Hi
Den søn. 18. jul. 2021 kl. 21.47 skrev Tobias Nyholm :
>
> Hey.
> I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that
> voting karma isn’t usually given out to people who write their first mailing
> list entry.
I'm not comfortable with this if this is indeed your first
Hey.
I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that voting
karma isn’t usually given out to people who write their first mailing list
entry.
But I do believe I qualify as “Lead developers of PHP based projects
(frameworks, cms, tools, etc.)”
For those of you who
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