Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

2007-12-13 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: because it's impossible to discuss anything on internals without the noise coming from outside..? Could we finally make this list read-only for every one but the @php.net people? I get enough spam already, spam from this list is not

[PHP-DEV] Internals read-only (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review)

2007-12-13 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 10:00 +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: To to get back to the point of the noise on the lists - it's getting out of hand, and I am afraid that if we don't solve this any time soon, the lists will be useless for any sort of decent discussion and promoting even more secret

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review)

2007-12-13 Thread Marco Tabini
On 13-Dec-07, at 8:08 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 10:00 +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: To to get back to the point of the noise on the lists - it's getting out of hand, and I am afraid that if we don't solve this any time soon, the lists will be useless for any sort of

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review)

2007-12-13 Thread Jani Taskinen
On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 08:55 -0500, Marco Tabini wrote: I am just a lurker, so take this with the due grain of salt, but simply making internals@ read-only is just going to drive people to contact the core team members directly (thus likely *increasing* your blood pressure :-)). I think

Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review)

2007-12-13 Thread David Zülke
Jani, if your blood pressure raises when reading normal people's messages because your dictatorial mind cannot stand the opinion of people that you regard inferior to yourself, my suggestion would be to either go see a shrink or quit this open source project. Here's hoping you will be able

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

2007-12-12 Thread Jani Taskinen
Nice to hear some work is done but I get very annoyed every time I see the words behind the scenes (or something alike). I guess it was because it's impossible to discuss anything on internals without the noise coming from outside..? Could we finally make this list read-only for every one but the

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon -final review

2007-12-12 Thread Nathan Rixham
Surely the noise coming from outside are people's valid opinions? I mean it's the people making the noise who have to live with decisions made on the internals list, on a daily basis, and for most there income depends on it. It's not just php you're discussing, it's thousands of developers

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon -final review

2007-12-12 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Nathan, if their income depends on it, hmm, I wonder, why the hell are they only complaining? The amount of people being constructive and not actual developers with a php.net account is close to zero. That is what Jani had in mind. We have always been open and we have always gladly given

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon -final review

2007-12-12 Thread Andrew Rose
On 12/12/2007, Nathan Rixham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if their income depends on it, hmm, I wonder, why the hell are they only complaining? point well made always been open and we have always gladly given account to people who contributed. and it's been well noticed, not to mention

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

2007-12-12 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 22:33 -0600, Gregory Beaver wrote: Any brackets adds another set of shift/reduce to the parser, regardless of how the syntax of the language is defined. That's not all with that syntax. ?php { class foo { } } ? Leads to a delayed declaration which is done at

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon -final review

2007-12-12 Thread Gregory Beaver
Jani Taskinen wrote: Nice to hear some work is done but I get very annoyed every time I see the words behind the scenes (or something alike). I guess it was because it's impossible to discuss anything on internals without the noise coming from outside..? Could we finally make this list

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

2007-12-12 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Nice to hear some work is done but I get very annoyed every time I see the words behind the scenes (or something alike). I guess it was It is much more efficient to communicate in person (preferably physically, but can be phone, IM, chat, etc.) than to write semi-anonymous mails to public

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon -final review

2007-12-12 Thread Kristo Iila
hello! Jani Taskinen wrote: Nice to hear some work is done but I get very annoyed every time I see the words behind the scenes (or something alike). I guess it was because it's impossible to discuss anything on internals without the noise coming from outside..? Could we finally make this list

[PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

2007-12-11 Thread Gregory Beaver
Hi, I've been furiously working behind the scenes with Stas and Dmitry, and have some enhancements to namespaces in the form of 2 patches. 1) multiple namespaces per file 2) use ::name; 1) multiple namespaces per file This is implemented as such: ?php namespace one; use Blah::A; // code

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

2007-12-11 Thread David Coallier
On Dec 11, 2007 6:42 PM, David Coallier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 11, 2007 6:13 PM, Gregory Beaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been furiously working behind the scenes with Stas and Dmitry, and have some enhancements to namespaces in the form of 2 patches. 1) multiple

Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

2007-12-11 Thread Sam Barrow
Is this patch going to be implemented in the PHP release? On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 18:42 -0500, David Coallier wrote: On Dec 11, 2007 6:13 PM, Gregory Beaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been furiously working behind the scenes with Stas and Dmitry, and have some enhancements to