Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Adding APC

2010-11-02 Thread Patrick ALLAERT
2010/11/2 Derick Rethans der...@php.net: On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Derick Rethans wrote: I understand that the general idea is to bundle APC with a future version of PHP. Right now, APC doesn't really compile for trunk because of internal changes. However, for PHP 5.3 it's getting into a pretty

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-11-02 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote: On 11/1/10 1:47 PM, Felipe Pena wrote: 2010/11/1 Richard Lynch c...@l-i-e.com On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4 alpha

2010-11-02 Thread Clint Byrum
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 15:32 -0700, Derick Rethans wrote: Hi, we're a bit further along now; and with the typehinting resolved (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.php.devel/62298/focus=62858) I want to start started with PHP 5.4 with the first alpha on Wednesday, November 24th. There are

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-11-02 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Felipe Pena felipe...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/1 Richard Lynch c...@l-i-e.com On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come across it. Can

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Adding APC

2010-11-02 Thread Lester Caine
Derick Rethans wrote: Actually, Kalle just pointed out that it compiles just fine. In that case, I think we should put it in trunk and in the 5.4 alpha. As long as it is disabled by default and can easily be replaced by preferred alternatives ... eaccelerator is still working fine now that it

RE: [PHP-DEV] More formal feature request cycle

2010-11-02 Thread James Butler
Stas - quick question - what is a PEP? Is the best way forward for this. I think some discussion about what we want this to achieve and maybe a rough idea of how it could be done would be a good start. Not sure it would fit into an RFC (correct me if'm wrong). Also if this conversation needs to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Adding APC

2010-11-02 Thread André Rømcke
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: Actually, Kalle just pointed out that it compiles just fine. In that case, I think we should put it in trunk and in the 5.4 alpha. As long as it is disabled by default and can easily be replaced by

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Adding APC

2010-11-02 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
+1 to adding APC to trunk, it does compile fine (at least at the moment). On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote: Hi! I understand that the general idea is to bundle APC with a future version of PHP. Right now, APC doesn't really compile for trunk because of

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Rewriting of the parser into Lemon

2010-11-02 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
We should probably stick with the bison parser for now, at least until the lemon matches the speed of the existing solution. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Etienne Kneuss col...@php.net wrote: On Nov 01 15:33:59, Derick Rethans wrote: Hi! Work has been done on rewriting the PHP parser to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Rewriting of the parser into Lemon

2010-11-02 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
On 11/02/2010 10:31 AM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: We should probably stick with the bison parser for now, at least until the lemon matches the speed of the existing solution. +1 -- Sebastian BergmannCo-Founder and Principal Consultant http://sebastian-bergmann.de/

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Adding APC

2010-11-02 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:13, André Rømcke a...@ez.no wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: Actually, Kalle just pointed out that it compiles just fine. In that case, I think we should put it in trunk and in the 5.4 alpha. As

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Rewriting of the parser into Lemon

2010-11-02 Thread Zeev Suraski
On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:43, Ilia Alshanetsky i...@prohost.org wrote: We should probably stick with the bison parser for now, at least until the lemon matches the speed of the existing solution. +1, and there should also be some clear advantages for making the switch and introducing risk even

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Adding APC

2010-11-02 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:13, André Rømcke a...@ez.no wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: Actually, Kalle just pointed out that it compiles just fine. In that

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4: Adding APC

2010-11-02 Thread Pierre Joye
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: As long as it actually works as opposed to just compiling :) It builds, whether it works as of now with trunk is another question. But that's something we can test in the next couple of weeks before its inclusion in trunk. --

Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

2010-11-02 Thread André Rømcke
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Felipe Pena felipe...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/1 Richard Lynch c...@l-i-e.com On Fri, October 29, 2010 7:47 pm, admin wrote: WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM? This has to be THE most asked question by new php developers when they come across it. Can we

Re: [PHP-DEV] BC break in 5.3.2 - 5.3.3 with parent:: and __call/__callStatic

2010-11-02 Thread Felipe Pena
2010/10/24 Giovanni Giacobbi giova...@giacobbi.net Greetings, in reference to bug #52713 i'd like to inquire you about this decision which actually broke my codebase in different parts. The situation is this one: class ActiveRecord { public function __call($method, $args) { if