esting to ensure that nothing else breaks.
$$ I don't want to be rude about her, so maybe I ought to use a different group
of clueless people, politicians perhaps ? :-)
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and,
as others have explained, can be ambiguous, non-reversible, ...
> If you wish to enforce case sensitivity in projects which you
> control then go ahead. Just don't try to enforce it on everybody
> else.
May I suggest that you create your own fork of PHP and leave the rest of us
al
which deals with them.
Thereby increasing the complexity of the PHP engine - which means more bugs and
slower execution. It also makes it harder for the user to understand: they need
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mmenting on
your assertion:
> >>Because the English-speaking world invented both computers and the
> >>languages used to program them.
> >
Thus because we are English speaking we do not have a special position to
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glish man (Joseph Swan), the television by a
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he many just to satisfy the few.
Translation: I do not use these character sets, those who do are not important.
PHP (& File systems) are best staying away from things like that. Not attempting
case folding, and similar, makes it simpler, faster & more robust (not worrying
about what sort o
tended; different browsers make
different guesses and render the page differently. The user then blames browser
X for getting it wrong rather than the incompetent web developer who can't be
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Type juggling is useful, but somewhere you do need to check your input.
I doubt that we will agree, but we don't need to: we prob have different aims
and goals. There is no reason that PHP cannot satisfy both of us.
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told me some 35 years ago.
We keep them because all Unixy languages have them.
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ors: !=== === !==
Comparison operators: === !== == !=
I must confess to checking the date when I first saw the proposal.
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, it does improve readability.
There is not a BC problem since today something like 1_000 is illegal as a
constant in a program.
I think that it is a good idea.
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[$b, $a] = [$a, $b];
Looked at that way (left hand of '=' only) it is not that bad.
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achine together to do
something and then don't want to fiddle with it (which might break applications)
for as long as possible. But also they, naturally, want bug fixes.
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of languages'' that is key here. The point is that PHP
associativity for ?: is different from other languages and it is that that
confuses and leads to bugs. What is right/wrong is not as important as all
others doing it the other way.
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Let see what the other think :)
I used s/something/code/ge in a perl script that I wrote a few days ago. Very
useful. It would have been a lot more work to do it another way.
So: +1 to the ability to do this, regardless of what mechanism is eventually
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a new language ... or what feels like a new
language.
In this respect, some version of UString makes more sense, because (if
well-defined) it actually gives users some advantage over the current
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sensitivity switch
+1
There will be those who just won't make changes and for who PHP9 will be a
''surprise'' - but similar happened with the removal of register globals.
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http://php.net/manual/en/features.gc.collecting-cycles.php
has a reference ''Concurrent Cycle Collection in Reference Counted Systems'' to
http://www.research.ibm.com/people/d/dfb/papers/Bacon01Concurrent.pdf
The PDF is no longer there.
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you about it, though.
All *existing* functions have a return value. That would not change.
If someone makes one of their functions void then where they use it could not be
where a value is needed. So: expect it in new code; but in 5 years time that
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put this issue to bed.
Thanks again.
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);
});
$a = $b;
That catches the use of an undefined variable $b.
What I am talking about is assignment to an *undeclared* variable $baz (or $a).
This is not caught by your code - PHP does not have a concept of declaring
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the following still work:
foreach($_POST as $v)
$v = trim($v);
Otherwise - good.
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are of different types - what does it return in that case ? FALSE ? But the same
as = if the types are the same ?
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Hi Alain,
On 19 Jan 2015, at 11:06, Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 08:28:17AM +, Andrea Faulds wrote:
The RFC is here: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/combined-comparison-operator
I
there are optimisations
to be made if they know that a value is really an int and not a string cleanly
convertable to an int.
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. also sounds very weird to me.
It is bringing in complexity that is not needed.
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be a disclaimer like 'not officially endorsed
by the PHP group'.
That would be really useful!
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- this is what I
called ''US ASCII chauvinism''.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin-1_Supplement_(Unicode_block)
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On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:40:33PM -0200, guilhermebla...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 for adding E_DEPRECATED and removing support in PHP 8.
+1
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On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 04:20:13PM +1100, Pierre Joye wrote:
I have hard time to see the benefits of breaking so many codes for that.
Has anyone done any benchmarking on the overhead of the internal/hidden convert
to lower case of function/... names ?
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WP.
But anyway, I get that not everyone agrees with removing ext/mysql - that's
why we're having votes on this kind of stuff ;)
Nikita
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comes with the operating
system distribution.
Showing them easy ways of upgrading and staying (security) patched might help.
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them as case sensitive in those parts.
It is a BC break, but a very unusual one in that once code is fixed in, say PHP
7, it would continue to work when copies back to a PHP 5 environment.
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 06:48:14PM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
Instead of polling people, how about provide a compatibility check script?
This would be easy with tokenizer, I suppose.
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I am updating a PHP course that I occasionally teach ...
Null Coalesce Operator ( ?? )
What are the precedence and associativity ?
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/isset_ternary
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:59:39PM +, Andrea Faulds wrote:
A possible compromise might be to let ‘\u’ through but not ‘\u{‘.
+1
I can see that some people might have \u (for what reason I do not know), but it
would be more unlikely for \u{ to be found in 'legacy' code.
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in 10 days’ time (2014-12-18).
I vote 'yes'.
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#include
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On 9 Dec 2014, at 00:11, Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
I vote 'yes’.
At the risk of stating the obvious: I don’t see your vote on the page’s
voting widget. Please vote there.
I looked ... I now see
then we could extend
the syntax a bit to allow the encoding to be specified, eg:
\U{utf-8: arabic letter alef}
\U{iso-8859-6: arabic letter alef}
Ie, allow this to be optionally specified and terminated by ':'. If not
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http://uk1.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.declare.php#control-structures.declare.encoding
I can see how it would change a \U{arabic letter alef} -- but not what it does
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It would be nice since a code point is just a big number without any really
obvious
meaning, but a name makes for greater clarity.
However: I suspect that interpretting this might be considerably slower which
means slower compilation.
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On 24 Nov 2014, at 23:29, Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
echo \U{arabic letter alef}\n”;
Ooh, that’s an interesting idea. I believe Perl actually has this already,
although it uses the \N syntax:
http
$# else
$# endif
Without wanting to make it too complicated, it might be nice to allow a 'set'
(or 'define'), this would allow setting of flags, eg:
$# if PHP_VERSION_ID 50500
$# set FINALLY 1
$# endif
$# if FINALLY
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they are still some use of them
Yes keeping PHP 4 for PEAR is a bad idea
Maybe this would spur PEAR to moving to a modern PHP, they could always maintain
a separate PEAR legacy. PHP 4 support ended some 6 years ago.
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IMHO: making PHP 5.3+ the PEAR baseline would not seem unreasonable.
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) {
} finally {
... tidy up
}
# else
} catch(PDOException $e) {
... tidy up not quite where I want it
}
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OK: '#' might not be a good character since it is start of comment, but that is
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related class, but only set by the class
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$callback as rwsr-x--x;
A callback that when executed/called would have 'private' access permissions on
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method=post
...
and specifically check $_GET['context'] - there might be a $_POST['context'] but
that is treated completely differently.
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On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 01:10:20AM +0100, Andrea Faulds wrote:
On 14 Sep 2014, at 01:07, Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
You give an option for float to int casting to truncate.
Where?
Possible Changes
Float to Int Casting Rules
...
This could be relaxed for semi
or round in a
negative direction ? So, should -1.5 become -1 or -2 ? Or should it depend on
the floating point unit on the machine (not all do the same) ?
Currently PHP (CentOS on an AMD CPU) a cast to int converts -1.5 to -1.
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http://php.net/migration56.new-features
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($, $b) is about 176% slower than $a === $b
$a = 1234;
$b = 4567
$a == $b is about 20% slower than $a === $b
strcmp($, $b) is about 162% slower than $a === $b
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' or 'ba':
$TwoChars = fgetc($in) . fgetc($in);
Some code is just broken.
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breakage - so just leave it there. When there is a major upgrade it is
expected that a few things might not work - so do it when people a rebuilding
systems and expect such things.
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element with
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#include std_disclaimer.h
by catching
user/coder errors earlier and so make their life easier.
There is trade off bet
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from the typed function arguments.
As with all of this: if you don't find it then don't use it, leave it for those
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conditional includes).
This means that these errors will be picked up very quickly.
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for optimisation)
but decided that that would risk of opening more cans of worms.
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towards a benefit of adding a numeric hint as well
(which will accept (and cast to) either an int or a float, exactly how
is_numeric_string() does internally)... Which is something that may
want to be considered for this RFC.
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is there for not adopting
the syntax some of the semantics of Hack ?
http://docs.hhvm.com/manual/en/hack.annotations.php
NIH is not a good reason.
NIH = Not Invented Here
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On 14 Jul 2014, at 18:01, Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
But if you have:
function foo(int $a) {
...
$a = 3 / 2;
}
What do you expect $a to contain ? I would suggest integer 1.
I’d
:
fun($num, $list) - arguments passed as is, not type checking/juggling
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checking that it brings.
Should I raise an RFC for this ?
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(*) I couldn't find that email quickly enough so apologies if I'm not
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On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:02:06AM -0400, Curt Zirzow wrote:
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Alain Williams a...@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
Hi,
I am running a PHP script at the command line and piping the output
through less:
./myScript | less
This works as expected for 99
occasionally get this sort of thing, after the first few times I just ignored
them with no real consequence for me -- ie I was not chucked off the list.
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is needed is for this to NOT be called if the standard output is not
connected to a tty.
Should I raise this as a bug ?
Remi.
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 04:13:39PM +0200, Remi Collet wrote:
Le 18/09/2013 16:04, Alain Williams a écrit :
What is needed is for this to NOT be called if the standard output is not
connected to a tty.
From your previous message:
ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, {B38400
. The version that I
have been using is PHP 5.3.3. The code above is from PHP 5.5.3.
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living under a stone recently:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:56:58PM +0200, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 11:56 +0100, Alain Williams wrote:
In the light of the recent scandal of the NSA ( others) attacking
encryption
would it be a good idea to see if we can get an audit of all the security
related code
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:44:16PM +0100, Alain Williams wrote:
Note that most of these things don't refer to PHP directly. i.e.
encryption between user and PHP is usually done by the web server.
Encryption between PHP and databases by database libraries. If
applications built on top
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:01:37PM +0200, Martin Jansen wrote:
On 14.09.13 13:45, Alain Williams wrote:
./myScript | less
Since less is an interactive program it puts the terminal into 'raw' mode so
that it can read characters one at a time. However, when I do the above I
find
running PHP 5.3.3 on CentOS 6.
I posted this to php-gene...@lists.php.net a few days ago, but did not get a
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, I do agree that it might be a bit confusing.
What is disappointing is that I cannot go:
($f = new Foo)-bar();
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and arrays can
already have trailing commands
Also: many other languages (eg C, Perl) allow a trailing comma in arrays, but
not to function arguments. This change would make PHP different from what many
programmers might expect.
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system.
Regards
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#include std_disclaimer.h
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that the returned string is stored in should be.
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like this numbers should start +
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that the parser would start
out in PHP mode.
would you please leave this world in peace?
...
You may not agree with his proposal (neither do I) but please remain kind
polite to him. He is not trolling.
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sources has NOT been
correctly filtered -- but that should be a rare event and indicative of a bug.
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is about communication of intent, not just with the computer
(compiler) but also with programmers who subsequently read the code.
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the
compiler
complain if it sees a variable that has not been declared.
In a large program the occasional typeo on variable names does happen, catching
them
with 'use strict' is great!
I have proposed this before and people did not like it. Here is to hopeing for a
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allowing the class users to not be strict.
Just because Java has a feature that you appear to not like, does not mean that
others might not want it in some circumstances.
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asking to make type hinting for variable declaration an
available option.
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checking completely if it
knows everywhere a function (probably a class method) can be called from and
knows
the types of the arguments that are passed in to it.
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too complicated.
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#include std_disclaimer.h
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:09:37PM +0200, Arnaud Le Blanc wrote:
Hi,
Le Monday 17 October 2011 15:07:30, Alain Williams a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 08:08:56PM +0200, Arnaud Le Blanc wrote:
Hi,
I've already posted this patch and it has since been reviewed and
improved. I'm
slow compared to an if/else when the operand is an array for example:
Is that why the following does not work as I expected:
$dbh = $how == 'r' ? ($dbh_r) : ($dbh_w);
$dbh is NOT a reference to $dbh_r or $dbh_w.
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