Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024, at 19:01, Rowan Tommins wrote: > On 26/02/2024 16:14, Rob Landers wrote: > > There wasn’t any mention about issues FROM Gmail TO the list. I sent > > this email because it didn’t seem like ANYONE was aware of the issue > > (otherwise someone would have mentioned it, so

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024, at 12:03, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, at 20:02, Rob Landers wrote: > > Before I get to the meat of this email, first of all, IMHO, anyone should > > be able to email the list, even if they are not a > > member of the list. I've had to email ubuntu

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

On Monday, 26 February 2024 at 11:53, Daniil Gentili wrote: > > IMO sending an email is not a gigantic barrier to entry, as can be seen by > the often low (technical and overall) quality of the replies to many of the > threads on this list. Yet people complain about it being a barrier to

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

Am 26.02.2024 um 14:25 schrieb Daniil Gentili : > I really don't think that a modern discussion system can afford to randomly > loose messages: mailing lists should not be used in 2024. Just because Gmail decided to tighten the rules about SPF/DKIM just now does not mean email is broken or

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

On 26/02/2024 19:02, Frederik Bosch wrote: That's how it always has been, no? So in your example, short code abbreviated form would not work. One has to write a block. public string$fullName { set=> [$this->first, $this->last] = explode ('

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

Hi On 2/26/24 10:56, Daniil Gentili wrote: even ignoring all the deliverability issues, I don't think using a mailing list is a good idea for a modern programming language, seeking And neither is GitHub Discussions. When I have the choice between GitHub Discussions and a mailing list, I'd

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

Hi Rowan, Thanks for clearing up that the return value will be ignored. I understand better why that is (void = null). I do like the updated RFC better than the one with the $field variable to write to. My yield suggestion was an idea derived from that earlier $field write proposal, but I

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

On 26/02/2024 20:21, Frederik Bosch wrote: I do note that $this->propName might suggest that the backing value is accessible from other locations than only the property's own get/set methods, because of $this usage. Yes, I actually stumbled over that confusion when I was writing some of

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024, at 00:11, Frederik Bosch wrote: > Hi Rowan, > > On 26-02-2024 23:46, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: >> On 26/02/2024 20:21, Frederik Bosch wrote: >>> I do note that $this->propName might suggest that the backing value is >>> accessible from other locations than only the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

On 23-02-2024 16:58, Larry Garfield wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2024, at 8:33 AM, Stephen Reay wrote: On 23 Feb 2024, at 06:56, Larry Garfield wrote: Hi Larry, It's good to see this idea still progressing. I have to agree with the other comment(s) that the implicit `$field`/`$value` variables

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

Hi On 2/26/24 14:25, Daniil Gentili wrote: And no, I don't like discussion forums like reddit or Discord either. Discord should be completely out of question, given that it is Agreed. non-indexable by search engines (btw, technically this mailing list isn't indexable either without

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

Hi Rowan, On 26-02-2024 23:46, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: On 26/02/2024 20:21, Frederik Bosch wrote: I do note that $this->propName might suggest that the backing value is accessible from other locations than only the property's own get/set methods, because of $this usage. Yes, I

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote: > On 26/02/2024 19:02, Frederik Bosch wrote: >> >> That's how it always has been, no? So in your example, short code >> abbreviated form would not work. One has to write a block. >> >> public string$fullName { >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC[ Property accessor hooks, take 2

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, at 23:56, Larry Garfield wrote: > However, I just had a long discussion with Ilija and there is one > possibility we could consider: Use the return value only on the > shorthand (arrow-function-like) syntax. > > So you could do either of these, which would be equivalent: > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

Am 26.02.2024 um 10:56 schrieb Daniil Gentili : >> gmail is failing to send emails to the list (hence why it has probably been >> a bit quite around here). Here is the error: > +1, personally I would just switch to github issues and discussions, even > ignoring all the deliverability issues, I

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, at 20:02, Rob Landers wrote: > Before I get to the meat of this email, first of all, IMHO, anyone should be > able to email the list, even if they are not a > member of the list. I've had to email ubuntu lists about bugs before and I > really have no desire to join those

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

On 26 February 2024 11:03:05 GMT, "Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]" wrote: >On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, at 20:02, Rob Landers wrote: >> Before I get to the meat of this email, first of all, IMHO, anyone should be >> able to email the list, even if they are not a >> member of the list. I've had to email ubuntu

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

This has also come up in the past regarding moving from e-mail to $currently_fashionable_technology - having some barrier to entry is actually quite useful, since we want people to put some effort into their contributions beyond "me too" or "I had this crazy idea in the pub". IMO sending an

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

gmail is failing to send emails to the list (hence why it has probably been a bit quite around here). Here is the error: +1, personally I would just switch to github issues and discussions, even ignoring all the deliverability issues, I don't think using a mailing list is a good idea for a

Re: [PHP-DEV] is this thing on?

And no, I don't like discussion forums like reddit or Discord either. Discord should be completely out of question, given that it is non-indexable by search engines (btw, technically this mailing list isn't indexable either without projects like externals.io). Writing to the amount of