Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-09-24 Thread Ole Troan
After reviewing the adoption call comments, the chairs have decided not to adopt draft-gont-ipv6-smurf-amplifier. - We have not seen strong working group support for working on the draft. - We are not convinced that the problem the draft sets out to resolve is worth fixing given that multicast

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-09-04 Thread Ole Troan
Fernando, would that be other nodes than yourself and nodes on the same link as yourself? I guess in some scenarios it might be tricky. For instance, even with link-local only multicast (as that used for ND), you can send a packet to a link-local multiast address, but sourced from any

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-09-04 Thread Tom Taylor
It's a bit late for the call on adoption, but FWIW I support Fernando. Tom Taylor On 03/09/2013 8:44 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/02/2013 07:34 AM, Ole Troan wrote: If you read chapter 5 it starts out by explaining how RPF check is always done

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-09-04 Thread Stig Venaas
Hi On 9/4/2013 4:28 AM, Ole Troan wrote: Fernando, would that be other nodes than yourself and nodes on the same link as yourself? I guess in some scenarios it might be tricky. For instance, even with link-local only multicast (as that used for ND), you can send a packet to a link-local

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-09-03 Thread Fernando Gont
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/02/2013 07:34 AM, Ole Troan wrote: If you read chapter 5 it starts out by explaining how RPF check is always done for multicast. Due to the RPF check, the possibility of spoofing is significantly reduced. Just like it is when using

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-09-02 Thread Ole Troan
Fernando, I'm not sure if this attack is all that serious since there is always an RPF check for multicast. As it says in the draft: It should be noted that if the multicast RPF check is used (e.g. to prevent routing loops), this would prevent an attacker from forging the

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-09-01 Thread Vishwas Manral
Resending as the IETF list had some drops the last few days. -Vishwas On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Vishwas Manral vishwas.i...@gmail.comwrote: Hi folks, I have read the document. I see the issue recognized as a genuine gap. I would love to see the document through, also look more

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-08-30 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/28/2013 02:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: I'm not sure if this attack is all that serious since there is always an RPF check for multicast. As it says in the draft: It should be noted that if the multicast RPF check is used (e.g. to prevent routing loops), this would

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-08-28 Thread Tina TSOU
Dear all, I have read draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03 and believe the security implications discussed and the suggestions for updating the two RFCs are essential for security considerations, and the operational mitigations proposed in the document provide good choices for design. I

Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-ipv6-smurf-amplifier-03

2013-08-28 Thread Stig Venaas
Hi I'm not sure if this attack is all that serious since there is always an RPF check for multicast. As it says in the draft: It should be noted that if the multicast RPF check is used (e.g. to prevent routing loops), this would prevent an attacker from forging the Source