Just in time for the Mac app store announcement? Timing is really
suspicious, and the App store does not support deprecated
technologies, like Java!
Mac App Store Review Guidelines
Apps must contain all language support in a single app bundle (single
binary multiple language). Apps that spawn
Doesn't it simply mean Apple is no longer maintaining the JVM ? Or will they
actively block Java from running on Mac OS ?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 08:05, robross rob.r...@gmail.com wrote:
Just in time for the Mac app store announcement? Timing is really
suspicious, and the App store does not
I'd say neither. It just means you can't sell Java apps through the Mac
store. Makes sense to me, they want quality control, and the only Java app
I've ever seen that feels remotely like it belongs on OS X is Cyberduck. Two
minutes with soapUI on a Mac would make anybody think twice about giving
Can we stop with the #%)(#%)@#(%...@#$* hyperbole?
The Mac App store is an extra. As in, all the ways you currently run
apps on a mac continue to work. Including java.
If anyone thought the mac app store was going to support java apps, I
would call that person delusional. So, nothing to see
I'm sure they won't block a 3rd party JVM. But the current problem is,
no such (viable) 3rd party JVM exists. (There's a non-viable OpenJDK
port that runs on X-Windows on the Mac).
Is Oracle going to spend the money to develop one? If not, then who
will?
Also, since it's now a deprecated
And you've never seen crappy native Cocoa apps on the Mac?
This is the *exact* same argument that arose when Apple banned Flash-
ported application on the iPhone. Yes, the default behavior looks like
crap. So does the default behavior even when using Interface Builder.
It takes a skilled designer
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-DontLinkElementID_2
OK so what does this mean:
As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of
Java that
Without -Xmx, you basically get -Xmx64m, and the VM will NOT attempt
to allocate more than that. Instead, it'll first fire up the collector
and when that fails, it'll start throwing OOMEs. Though, if you're
getting near the limit, first the VM will slow down to a crawl (due to
repeated calls to
Exclamation points aside, the title is factually correct. Please read
the included link.
Rob
On Oct 21, 12:03 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we stop with the #%)(#%)@#(%...@#$* hyperbole?
The Mac App store is an extra. As in, all the ways you currently run
apps on a
I won't be surprised if Oracle steps in to produce a JVM for all platforms.
That's more or less what Apple is forcing them to do ? I'm no Mac user, but
I don't think Oracle can just ignore Java not being shipped any more for
Mac. I wouldn't be surprised they'll soon send out reassuring
Ok personally I guess I don't care, don't use Mac, don't plan to
either. But it occurs to me that there's a substantial amount of
overlap between the iPhone and the Mac rules of engagements: http://goo.gl/GnOX
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that, with Apple scoring 30%
of the revenue,
On Oct 21, 12:13 am, Jan Goyvaerts™ java.arti...@gmail.com wrote:
I won't be surprised if Oracle steps in to produce a JVM for all platforms.
That's more or less what Apple is forcing them to do ?
I do hope you are right. But I don't see what the financial advantage
is for Oracle to pay for a
My Mac is just a tool, it may be a favourite one right now. But when a
tool is no longer useful you replace it. If they actually do remove the
jdks without a decent alternative then I will regretfully move on.
On 21 Oct 2010 09:02, robross rob.r...@gmail.com wrote:
It means that as of 10.7
On 10/21/10 10:02 , robross wrote:
And since there are *currently* no 3rd party JDKs that could replace
Apple's JDK, this means if you need to develop Java apps, you'd have
to move to a supported OS, like Windows Vista, or some unix/linux
variant. (The SoyLatte OpenJDK port is in an experimental
On 10/21/10 10:17 , Spencer Uresk wrote:
2) I'm kind of with Casper on this - how does Apple continually get
free passes for stuff like this? I'm not really a huge Microsoft fan,
but if they were to try something like this, people would be going
crazy. I don't think the Mac AppStore is a bad
If nothing else, this might push efforts to improve Linux drivers for the
trackpad, magic mouse, etc.
Personally, I think I'll be abandoning Macbooks now, just can decide what to
use as a replacement
The HP Envy's seem to have the screen quality and sold-metal body that I've
grown to love, but
... in any case, I do hope Oracle says something official soon: We're
going to / we're not going to provide an official version of Java 7 for
Mac OS X. As somebody pointed out in an Apple mailing list, the release
notes describe some improvements in the way Mac OS X supports Java
On 10/21/10 10:44 , Kevin Wright wrote:
If nothing else, this might push efforts to improve Linux drivers for
the trackpad, magic mouse, etc.
Personally, I think I'll be abandoning Macbooks now, just can decide
what to use as a replacement
The HP Envy's seem to have the screen quality and
I love the Apple hardware and their GUI, but the (lack of) Java support is
really starting to wind me up.
I'm wondering if Oracle couldn't side-step the the whole issue, not bother
with releasing an OSX JVM, and push resources into improving the OSX feature
set + performance for VirtualBox
Perhaps it's because I'm not actually signed up to many mailing lists,
but personally I don't find the lack of branching in gmail a problem.
I very quickly scroll past the uninteresting posts, like I do in
google reader and twitter. I honestly thought most people were like
me in that regard, but
I'll lose ZFS (OpenSolaris went away, and currently the only option is
the open ZFS port to Mac OS X).
But you'll gain BTRFS, effectively a successor to ZFS with a better
license. In Ubuntu 10.10 just type:
1) sudo install btrfs-tools.
2) Have fun with btrfs and btrfsctl.
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I must admit I had a feeling that Apple would drop Java as Steve has
been posturing about how no-one uses Java for some time now. It is a
blow.
I am writing this on my first MacBook Pro. As a primarily Java
developer it may well be the sad reality that if there is no Java on
the Mac that this
What if Apple changes the rules to block Flash and Flex from running
on the Mac too?
They are close according to rumors: Amusingly enough, you know what's
missing from the new MacBook Air models? Adobe Flash Player. While
preloaded on Apple's past hardware, out of the box here it just says
If there is no client side Java then the money being spent of JavaFX
is kind of waisted unless Mac O/S is just ignored.
Can I just glare are Joe at this point *glare* *glare* *glare*
*you...you and all your kind...*
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Also in the release notes, there's a lot of information about Apple
moving the location of its JVM:
The location of the Java SE 6 runtime home has changed to /System/
Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0.jdk/Contents/Home. JDK bundles
provided via the Developer package, developer previews, and
Lot's of IF in this thread. :-)
I'm not making a prediction, but my own if is: I would really be surprised
if no Java will be shipped to Mac the time JDK7 is ready.
Apple was just the last big company missing in the JDK debate. Let's let the
dust settle. I'm sure the bottom line will be that
I think it is far more important to Oracle than to Apple.
Write once...run anywhere but Mac.
I doubt the average Mac user would even notice if Java was gone to be
perfectly honest. I bet they would notice the lack of Flash. As soon
as they find YouTube doesn't work or any number of flash games /
Maybe in the end it's all about the latter...
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:22, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.comwrote:
If Apple would open-source their changes, or sell them to Oracle under
a closed source licence, that would be wunderbar.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jan Goyvaerts™
On Oct 21, 3:06 am, Chris Adamson invalidn...@gmail.com wrote:
A few historical notes:
* This sort of reverts to the state the Mac was in around '97 or '98,
when there were many competing VMs for the Mac (developer-oriented VMs
from Metrowerks and Roaster, user-oriented VMs from Microsoft
I'd take it further still.
Apple will lose money from Java developers.
But they'll also lose money from anyone who believes they may want/need to
work on *any* JVM-based language in the future.
and from anyone using a Java-based IDE for languages that have absolutely
nothing to do with the JVM.
On 10/21/10 12:22 , Ricky Clarkson wrote:
If Apple would open-source their changes, or sell them to Oracle under
a closed source licence, that would be wunderbar.
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
On 10/21/10 12:22 , Ricky Clarkson wrote:
If Apple would
The agreement they have with Oracle would prohibit that, as far as I
know. They could distribute their changes, but not the whole thing.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote:
Or donate their JDK to Apache Harmony - yeh right :p
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What is Wall Mart's take on all this (all hail Wall Mart)?
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On 10/21/10 12:41 , Kevin Wright wrote:
I'd take it further still.
Apple will lose money from Java developers.
But they'll also lose money from anyone who believes they may
want/need to work on *any* JVM-based language in the future.
and from anyone using a Java-based IDE for languages that
On 10/21/10 12:06 , Chris Adamson wrote:
Obviously, times have changed.
I'm curious to see whether people that blamed Oracle for changing its
mind on opening the TCK will use the same meter to judge how Apple in
time changed its mind on supporting Java. For me, I'm pragmatic: both
corporates
The way I see it going:
Apple want consumers
consumers want applications
applications are written by developers
but the developers have run off, fed up with the way Apple is treating them
On 21 October 2010 11:51, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
But with Apple isn't all the emphasis
Well if you equate JavaFX Script with the applet 2.0 push Sun (rather
naively) envisioned, then wouldn't you say that was money wasted? And
if lack of a component model (as many have suggested) is to blame for
the failure of desktop Java (there's not much that can't be done with
Swing), then
I really wan't JavaFX to take off and Java to make a comeback on the
client. I think it still has things to offer.
However just wanting it to happen doesn't mean it will. Maybe I should
just learn Flash given I now have the tools. What I have seen of
Action script makes me think it is a pretty
On 10/21/10 13:11 , Kevin Wright wrote:
The way I see it going:
Apple want consumers
consumers want applications
applications are written by developers
but the developers have run off, fed up with the way Apple is treating
them
The problem is that this is not true. Apple has got and will keep
All of which assumes that profit alone is the sole motivator for developers
to do their best work and to create great applications.
Which we all know just ain't true, as has been demonstrated time and time
again in numerous case studies.
On 21 October 2010 12:32, Vince O'Sullivan
well, I was just about to buy new hardware so it looks as though apple is off
of the table with this news.
Kirk
On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Kevin Wright wrote:
If nothing else, this might push efforts to improve Linux drivers for the
trackpad, magic mouse, etc.
Personally, I think I'll
I think development is a balancing act.
I personally can get attached to pet projects and care more about them
being successful than making lots of money. If it was all about money
then why would I work on things out of hours when I am not getting
paid for them. I know I am not the only
Which comes very close to asserting that Apple only wants jerks to develop
on their platform.
I dearly wish I could see a kinder interpretation of the facts, but it
currently evades me...
On 21 October 2010 12:42, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
I think development is a balancing act.
Which we all know just ain't true, as has been demonstrated time and time
again in numerous case studies.
True, hobbyists who care can go further than professionals that don't.
However, the divergence of virtual machine and programming language in
the Java world does not exactly help here, the
On another thought, does anyone know the best route for us to use to express
our displeasure?
Kirk
On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Casper Bang wrote:
Which we all know just ain't true, as has been demonstrated time and time
again in numerous case studies.
True, hobbyists who care can go
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Ricky Clarkson
ricky.clark...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps it's because I'm not actually signed up to many mailing lists,
but personally I don't find the lack of branching in gmail a problem.
I very quickly scroll past the uninteresting posts, like I do in
google
sj...@apple.com?
On 21 Oct 2010 12:57, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote:
On another thought, does anyone know the best route for us to use to express
our displeasure?
Kirk
On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Casper Bang wrote:
Which we all know just ain't true, as has been demonstrated time and
I am sorry if it upsets anyone but all the developers who I have ever
known who were primarily focused on making money and their career
above all else were also total arrogant jerks.
Your own millage may vary.
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Yet it was Apple themselves who deprecated the Java-Cocoa bindings. That
was a sad day...
Whatever way we try to interpret this, it's far from being clear cut.
I'd love to know what discussions have taken place between Oracle and Apple,
behind closed doors (and you can be quite certain that they
You can file an RFE at
http://bugreport.apple.com
and submit a request to un-deprecate Apple Java. Free developer
registration is required.
Sounds silly, but it gives them some metrics for weighing public
support for a feature, in this case, keeping Apple Java alive.
Rob
On Oct 21, 4:57 am,
I use VMWare Fusion, and run Linux and Windows on my Macbook Pro, so I
really don't see this as a problem. If your a real developer and
don't use something like Fusion, or VirtualBox, well, I feel sorry for
you. I get all the benefits of top notch hardware and the ability to
mix and match
I'm running Windows via Bootcamp on the MacBook Pro I inherited at
work (thanks Craig). In Parallels it has become markedly slow, so I'm
not planning to return to OS X at least until I can get our swig-based
ffmpeg bindings compiling for OS X again (any volunteers?).
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:20
On 10/21/10 13:51 , Kevin Wright wrote:
Which comes very close to asserting that Apple only wants jerks to
develop on their platform.
It's too strong and subjective. Let's say that there are now two sets of
developers with different contexts, incentives and interests.
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On 10/21/10 14:16 , robross wrote:
You can file an RFE at
http://bugreport.apple.com
and submit a request to un-deprecate Apple Java. Free developer
registration is required.
Sounds silly, but it gives them some metrics for weighing public
support for a feature, in this case, keeping Apple
On 10/21/10 14:05 , Carl Jokl wrote:
I am sorry if it upsets anyone but all the developers who I have ever
known who were primarily focused on making money and their career
above all else were also total arrogant jerks.
Your own millage may vary.
I'm for sure in the camp of those not primarily
but maybe by votes ? or number of added comments ?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 14:28, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
On 10/21/10 14:16 , robross wrote:
You can file an RFE at
http://bugreport.apple.com
and submit a request to un-deprecate Apple Java. Free developer
Well if you want some more notice about this then you need to get
sites like TechCrunch to post about it. So someone should be
submitting this to them, and Gizmodo, HackerNews, Reddit, etc.
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I can be a moron but like to hope there is still hope for me...maybe..
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this is my point... if we want Java to be on the platform we need to speak out
to those that are making the decision.
Kirk
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:16 PM, robross wrote:
You can file an RFE at
http://bugreport.apple.com
and submit a request to un-deprecate Apple Java. Free developer
On Oct 21, 2:14 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
Yet it was Apple themselves who deprecated the Java-Cocoa bindings. That
was a sad day...
Yeah they certainly seem to have a remove the band-aid slowly and
perhaps nobody will notice strategy.
Our own posse chief, Dick Wall, has
On Oct 21, 2:34 am, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
I am annoyed that Apple is being allowed to get away with this. The
irony of Apples original Macintosh advert in 1984. Because Apple
doesn't think it needs to be like 1984 and yet here we are. Apples
developer world is 1984 hell with
On Oct 21, 2:58 am, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
What if Apple changes the rules to block Flash and Flex from running
on the Mac too?
They are close according to rumors: Amusingly enough, you know what's
missing from the new MacBook Air models? Adobe Flash Player. While
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Josh McDonald j...@joshmcdonald.infowrote:
I'd say neither. It just means you can't sell Java apps through the Mac
store. Makes sense to me, they want quality control, and the only Java app
I've ever seen that feels remotely like it belongs on OS X is
Well, Scala itself can be fairly-easily retrofitted to compile against a
different back-end (hey, it can already target .NET!) and there's a project
already on GitHub allowing LLVM to be targeted. I wouldn't be at all
surprised to see other languages taking a similar approach.
There's also a
On Oct 21, 3:44 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, Scala itself can be fairly-easily retrofitted to compile against a
different back-end (hey, it can already target .NET!) and there's a project
already on GitHub allowing LLVM to be targeted. I wouldn't be at all
surprised
hey, it[Scala] can already target .NET!
.NET 1.0 only still, right?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, Scala itself can be fairly-easily retrofitted to compile against a
different back-end (hey, it can already target .NET!) and there's a project
Mac OS has 10% of the total PC market in the US. 20% of the consumer
market.
So let me state the obvious: if Apple is really abandoning Java,
Oracle will take it over.
On Oct 21, 12:05 am, robross rob.r...@gmail.com wrote:
Just in time for the Mac app store announcement? Timing is really
And everyone here things Apple cares?
Their reality distortion field is going to filter all this out and all they
will hear is clapping and whistles applauding their decision.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote:
this is my point... if we want Java to be on
If Java will not be supported on the Mac (It has barely been supported
thus far) this is great news.
This is perfect timing for Mac users to convert to Linux desktop.
If any of you need any assistance let me know!
On Oct 21, 2:05 am, robross rob.r...@gmail.com wrote:
Just in time for the
Ah-hah, this was a new one on me... Very interesting!
Anyone else interested, I found an FAQ here:
http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/ZeroSharkFaq
http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/ZeroSharkFaq
On 21 October 2010 15:20, fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
Lets put a bit of spin on this, eh? Fight fire with fire.
The JDK has now officially deprecated OSX :)
On 21 October 2010 15:22, Blanford euroscript...@gmail.com wrote:
If Java will not be supported on the Mac (It has barely been supported
thus far) this is great news.
This is perfect
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:27:18 +0100
Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Apple has just deprecated Java on the Mac!!!
Lets put a bit of spin on this, eh? Fight fire with fire.
The JDK has now officially deprecated OSX :)
one other thought.
in the past there have been many threads complaining about how it
takes so long for apple to get up-to-date with the latest JDK. And
many (including myself) have advocated that Sun (Oracle) take over OS
X support. Now it will happen.
Apple knows Oracle will take it over,
Pity, really, Apple has (had?) really won over Java developers with their
recent Macs.
Yeah but wasn't that driven mostly by my enemy's enemy is my friend?
I mean, it can't exactly be because state of the art of Java is to be
found there.
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Hmm, it should have been!
Wasn't it the 2001 WWDC where Steve Jobs announced that Macs would be the
*best* platform for Java development?
On 21 October 2010 16:06, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Pity, really, Apple has (had?) really won over Java developers with their
recent
I finally found some good articles regarding this issue. It seems like
the key is understanding the difference between reserved memory and
committed memory. Many JVMs require that the amount of memory
specified by -Xmx be available as contiguous reserved memory, which is
usually reserved in the
Wasn't it the 2001 WWDC where Steve Jobs announced that Macs would be the
*best* platform for Java development?
Perhaps, but that's a bit like a hotdog vendor at a sporting event
aiming to have the *best* sausages, who later turned into a Michelin
restaurant attracting a somewhat different
On Oct 21, 11:16 am, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
Wasn't it the 2001 WWDC where Steve Jobs announced that Macs would be the
*best* platform for Java development?
Actually, it was JavaOne 2000 (like I said earlier, it was so long ago
that Bill Clinton was the US President at the
I don't have time or energy to read this whole thread, and I'm quite
sure we'll talk about this in our next recording (tonight), but I want
to at least chime in with some simple thoughts:
1) I think this means that Apple is scaling back their internal Java
team to bare-bones. They will not be
If nothing else, this might push efforts to improve Linux drivers for the
trackpad, magic mouse, etc.
Ubuntu 10.10 with the mac support packages runs fine for me including
trackpad, magic mouse and so on.
And window resizing in KDE works as expected ... and not the weird way it
does on the mac
I too really like the MacBook Pro hardware. I use my MBP for Java
server development and for Flex (Air, Flash Player) development via
Eclipse. Now I have to worry about the future of both Flash/Flex and
Java on the Mac.
For me it might all lead to using VMWare Fusion to get around these
issues.
Well stated Joe...I am in agreement with you.
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse)
jnux...@gmail.comwrote:
I don't have time or energy to read this whole
I'm usually an optimist, but I don't see any upside for Oracle in
doing this. Unlike Apple, Oracle won't make any money if people buy
Macs because Oracle provides a free Java JDK. On the other hand, if
Java were really to die on Mac OS, developers and companies do not
stop developing in
A couple fact checks:
On Oct 21, 2:44 pm, Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse) jnux...@gmail.com
wrote:
Note that Apple
never took on building their own version of Flash to ship on their
platform, because Adobe saw value in building a Mac version - because
Adobe's target customer was already living in Mac
+1 that Oracle should / probably will do it. Microsoft don't do it,
nor for that matter does Linus et al so let's not cry too much about
Apple giving up on it.
In many ways its the best thing as Oracle are likely to maintain the
platform in a more timely fashion, if for no other reason than to
I noticed one interesting (to me) factoid about yesterday's Apple Java
update (aside from the obvious).
Oracle released 6u22 for Windows/Linux/Solaris on October 12th.
Apple released 6u22 for Mac OS X on October 20th.
Certainly there are some special circumstances here; Apple has been
Hi guys,
I wrote a framework that intends to replace DBUnit. It promises a 30%
reduction in the number of characters used compared to dbunit, and
mass simplifications and extra features across the board.
It's on git. You can read about it there:
http://github.com/egervari/scaladbtest
I only
I don't disagree with the tool point of view - it's just that I've
never been more productive, generally, than since I switched to the
Mac three years ago.
Apple could simply have decided that the cost of keeping up with Java
releases just isn't worth the downstream benefits. Ironic given that
Oracle have to actively consider picking up the baton. If they regard
Java on the desktop as having any long term future, it has to be
available on the Mac - given the market share trend to date it is a
platform that can't be ignored (and remember that market share in the
USA - Oracle's home
I suppose that's the fallback option - I use VMWare, so I could just
run Linux in unity mode and still have access to an up-to-date version
of Java and the tools that go with it. Given that Eclipse Helios on
Mac STILL has issues with CTRL-Space not working about half the time
this might even prove
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hopper drmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been doing Java development for many years but sometimes
something surprises me. A coworker was explaining to me that many JVMs
allocate all of the memory specified by the -Xmx parameter at
application startup time. He
Not to derail the thread, but I've been using Windows and Cygwin for I don't
know how long now and am quite happy. I can honestly say that Cygwin has come
a
long way. I'm no Lynix or UNIX sysadmin. I just want my normal POSIX tools
and
I get them for free on cheap hardware and full driver
And what about all those libraries... are you going to trust your entire
business on ikvm ?
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JME is as good as dead. Everything/everybody is moving away from it. I
find it ironic that Rich Green is making this announcement..
manfred
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Why would Apple care about java, they gain very little from it. The JVM in
the end is not a consumer application platform but rather a server platform
an area that Apple has never advertised the Mac for. i guess maintaining
java and the JVM is an extra responsibility they just dont want, because
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 14:33 -0700, Manfred Moser wrote:
http://www.dzone.com/links/r/nokia_makes_qt_the_sole_application_development_f.html
JME is as good as dead. Everything/everybody is moving away from it. I
find it ironic that Rich Green is making this announcement..
Your assertion
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Miroslav Pokorny
miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote:
And what about all those libraries... are you going to trust your entire
business on ikvm ?
Is that any worse than trusting your business to what Apple currently endorses?
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Seems like Nokia just put the final nail in the coffin to me. Once
you eliminate Symbian, what's left?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Russel Winder rus...@russel.org.uk wrote:
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 14:33 -0700, Manfred Moser wrote:
In principle, you get an improvement in performance be specing the -
Xms because that memory is reserved and committed. So, if the machine
is able to reserve that amount of contiguous space in RAM and the OS
is not having to page in order to meet that requirement, then, when
your application
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