Re: [The Java Posse] Re: get your popcorn: oracle opens another front with the oss community

2010-12-03 Thread Alexis Moussine-Pouchkine
So just the idea of having something run by Sun is an abysmal failure? Kenai has been running for a couple of years now. -Alexis On 3 déc. 2010, at 08:00, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Alexis Moussine-Pouchkine alexis...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, you never

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: get your popcorn: oracle opens another front with the oss community

2010-12-03 Thread Ricky Clarkson
No, he said that kenai as run by Sun was an abysmal failure, not that having Sun run something caused it to fail. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Alexis Moussine-Pouchkine alexis...@gmail.com wrote: So just the idea of having something run by Sun is an abysmal failure? Kenai has been running

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: get your popcorn: oracle opens another front with the oss community

2010-12-03 Thread Alexis Moussine-Pouchkine
I'm still confused. Kenai as run by Sun has been delivering services to a good number of projects with much better QoS than java.net IMO. -Alexis On 3 déc. 2010, at 10:23, Ricky Clarkson wrote: No, he said that kenai as run by Sun was an abysmal failure, not that having Sun run something

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

2010-12-03 Thread Phil
Rob, Actually the -only- reason my friend took his mini to the Apple store was because I used to listen to the MacCast (maccast.com), this podcaster spent quite some time digging into Apple's actual policies, both published and on the ground from listener feedback. On that basis I told him his

[The Java Posse] iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Moandji Ezana
I was listening to ep. 3 of Build and Analyzehttp://5by5.tv/buildanalyze/3, a podcast hosted by Marco Arment (of Instapaper) and Dan Benjamin. They mentioned that iOS 4.2 introduced a new compilation system to make dealing with multiple OS versions easier (Arment called the preceding hacks

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Vince O'Sullivan
Fragmentation is the least of it. We're already having to issue two versions of the same apps to cover ios and android, plus stuff for Blackberries. Soon we'll be adding Windows 7 mobile to the mix. Symbian is still out there and it looks like PalmOS might be being revived and brought into the

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Dec 3, 1:41 pm, Vince O'Sullivan vjosulli...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 12:11 pm, Karsten Silz karsten.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 12:59 pm, Vince O'Sullivan vjosulli...@gmail.com wrote:  It's a stupid logistical nightmare imposed by mobile hardware companies, principally Apple.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On 12/03/2010 01:41 PM, Vince O'Sullivan wrote: By insisting on having only apps written in Objectionable C on their phones. I understand your frustration, but why to blame Apple only and not the other ones? I think that unfortunately the existence of multiple technologies is now

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Kevin Wright
On 3 December 2010 12:58, Karsten Silz karsten.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 1:41 pm, Vince O'Sullivan vjosulli...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 12:11 pm, Karsten Silz karsten.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 12:59 pm, Vince O'Sullivan vjosulli...@gmail.com wrote: It's a stupid

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Bob Lee declines to support Java standardisation charade

2010-12-03 Thread Weiqi Gao
On 12/03/2010 01:44 AM, Liam Knox wrote: To clarify a few things I think my initial statement was too brash. I do think Bob has and does deliver a lot for the Java community, however I retain my belief in the JCP vote went the best way. Best for whom? in what way? My frustration is this.

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Dec 3, 2:19 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably, Apple are the biggest problem here because none of the others tried to forbid you cross-compiling from something else to their favourite pet language/SDK. From what I understand, you can now cross-compile and use any

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Kevin Wright
On 3 December 2010 13:24, Karsten Silz karsten.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 2:19 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably, Apple are the biggest problem here because none of the others tried to forbid you cross-compiling from something else to their favourite pet

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Chris Adamson
But Apple doesn't forbid cross-compilation or VMs anymore, so why are we still talking about it? Just to score Apple is evil points? Secondly, is it really fair to blame the stagnation of Java ME for fragmentation? The hardware manufacturers and carriers are loath to have a standard -- any

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Dec 3, 12:16 pm, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com wrote: As I don't use any iOS devices, maybe this is already the case? How is this handled currently? Could fragmentation become an issue for iOS? In short: no. I would define fragmentation on three levels - hardware, OS, drivers. On the

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Dec 3, 2:46 pm, Chris Adamson invalidn...@gmail.com wrote: The hardware manufacturers and carriers are loath to have a standard -- any standard -- because that deprives them of a means of making their products and services distinctive, and therefore have an advantage over competitors. Good

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: get your popcorn: oracle opens another front with the oss community

2010-12-03 Thread Russel Winder
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 22:49 -0800, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: [ . . . ] Github's pull model and other social features still make it a very compelling choice as the public repository of a very visible open source project, and the fact that Kenai when run by Sun has been an abysmal failure doesn't

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Moandji Ezana
Thanks for the informative answer. Android and iOS are a little closer than I thought. I would define fragmentation on three levels - hardware, OS, drivers. All screens have the same size and the same pixel ratio - iPhone / iPod Touch is 1,5:1 - 480x320 / 960x640 - and iPad is 1.33:1. This

[The Java Posse] Re: get your popcorn: oracle opens another front with the oss community

2010-12-03 Thread CKoerner
Looks like Oracle might not own the trademark to Hudson after all: The Register says that Oracle filed for the trademark (in the EU, at least) after discussion started about a move to github. ...a well-placed former Sun Microsystems employee has contacted The Regto say that Sun took an explicit

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Dec 3, 5:26 pm, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com wrote: All screens have the same size and the same pixel ratio - iPhone / iPod Touch is 1,5:1 - 480x320 / 960x640 - and iPad is 1.33:1.  This is important for bitmap graphics since you can size so that they don't need to stretched or scaled

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Chris Adamson invalidn...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting to see where Android is following ME's lead and where it's doing things differently. I wouldn't call it following Java ME's lead, more like fixing all the stupid mistakes that Java ME made. Which was a

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Karsten. At the end of the day, I think you are still basically describing fragmentation on the iOS, period. Apple is trying hard to keep it down (such as by using resolutions that are integer multiples of each other. And then, there's DPI...), but it's still

[The Java Posse] Re: Can't wait for the discussion on this one... Apple bans magazine with articles about android from app store.

2010-12-03 Thread Casper Bang
Yes, but the trend is that as times goes on, more and more stuff is user replaceable and, to stay in topic, at the moment all MBs and MBPs have both memory and disk user replaceable. So, the original poster is right in guessing why there's a step back for SSD (a valid argument would be

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On 12/03/2010 02:46 PM, Chris Adamson wrote: But Apple doesn't forbid cross-compilation or VMs anymore, so why are we still talking about it? Just to score Apple is evil points? Secondly, is it really fair to blame the stagnation of Java ME for fragmentation? The hardware manufacturers and

Re: [The Java Posse] James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java

2010-12-03 Thread Serge Boulay
great video. Did you notice the huge endorsement that JSF got from Gosling :-) On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote: Speaking at the Silicon Valley Java Users' Group

[The Java Posse] Re: James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java

2010-12-03 Thread CKoerner
Mentioned Scala several times, which means we'll hear about this on the next Podcast for sure. lol -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group,

Re: [The Java Posse] James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java

2010-12-03 Thread Greg Reddin
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.com wrote: great video. Did you notice the huge endorsement that JSF got from Gosling :-) Has no one noticed that he completely missed the reference though? He compared it to Microsoft ASF, which to my knowledge doesn't exist. He

Re: [The Java Posse] James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java

2010-12-03 Thread Christopher Rued
On 12/3/2010 4:07 PM, Greg Reddin wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Serge Boulay serge.bou...@gmail.com wrote: great video. Did you notice the huge endorsement that JSF got from Gosling :-) Has no one noticed that he completely missed the reference though? He compared it to Microsoft

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
Why hasnt any vendor offered the ability to use vector gfx as a mechanism for deliverying resources like icons etc so that the phone renders them into bitmaps upon install eliminating the need for multiple forms of the same logo for each different profile ? -- You received this message because

[The Java Posse] Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread Rob Wilson
Hi all, As a long-term listener of the JavaPosse podcast, I hope you don't mind a shameless plug? I've finally got round to creating my own technical podcast, with Chris Dewar and Ben Hartigan. I am primarily a Java developer, with recent experience with C- sharp / .NET and Objective-C (iPhone

Re: [The Java Posse] James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java

2010-12-03 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com wrote: So his critique of JSF is actually a critique of JSP. Note that I'm not defending JSF or JSP. There's plenty to critique, but nobody can seriously look at this and say Gosling thinks JSF is stupid. You'd have to suggest that

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Moandji Ezana
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote: Why hasnt any vendor offered the ability to use vector gfx as a mechanism for deliverying resources like icons etc so that the phone renders them into bitmaps upon install eliminating the need for multiple

[The Java Posse] Re: Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread CKoerner
Do you have a mp3 version of the podcast? I only saw m4a listed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[The Java Posse] Re: Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread Rob Wilson
Hi CKoerner, I don't currently have an mp3 file on the site - I was expecting most people to go through iTunes directly, but I guess that goes to prove the saying about 'assumptions'... I will add an mp3 tomorrow, just for you ;-) Thanks, Rob. On Dec 3, 10:08 pm, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread Manfred Moser
Count me in too. I always cringe when itunes starts by accident... Hi CKoerner, I don't currently have an mp3 file on the site - I was expecting most people to go through iTunes directly, but I guess that goes to prove the saying about 'assumptions'... I will add an mp3 tomorrow, just for

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread Kevin Wright
I'll be coming via Android. On 3 Dec 2010 22:42, Manfred Moser manf...@mosabuam.com wrote: Count me in too. I always cringe when itunes starts by accident... Hi CKoerner, I don't currently have an mp3 file on the site - I was expecting most people to go through iTunes directly, but I guess

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
Maybe vector resources shouldn't be mandatory but vectors for Fonts has worked out well. Nobody delivers bitmap fonts anymore they all get distrod via vectors w/ hints. On 04/12/2010, at 8:38 AM, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Miroslav Pokorny

Re: [The Java Posse] Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread Paul Truax
Love the name... bit banter. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Rob Wilson netp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As a long-term listener of the JavaPosse podcast, I hope you don't mind a shameless plug? I've finally got round to creating my own technical podcast, with Chris Dewar and Ben

[The Java Posse] Re: Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread CKoerner
I have an iPod Touch, but I prefer having all my Podcast RSS feeds in Google Reader and then downloading them to my cheap little Phillips mp3 player rather then using iTunes on my Macbook. On Dec 3, 5:37 pm, Rob Wilson netp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi CKoerner, I don't currently have an mp3 file on

Re: [The Java Posse] Plugging a new Tech Podcast...

2010-12-03 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
Thanx for sharing will try -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,

[The Java Posse] Re: iOS fragmentation vs. Android fragmentation

2010-12-03 Thread Karsten Silz
On Dec 3, 5:26 pm, Moandji Ezana mwa...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Lee and Eric Burke gave a presentation (video on InfoQ http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Android-Squared) in which they describe the audio processing they do and a sampling rate-related bug they found on Samsung phones that freezes

Re: [The Java Posse] James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java

2010-12-03 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
Don't forget his name is on top of java.util.Date On 04/12/2010, at 8:36 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com wrote: So his critique of JSF is actually a critique of JSP. Note that I'm not defending JSF or JSP. There's

Re: [The Java Posse] James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java

2010-12-03 Thread Greg Reddin
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget his name is on top of java.util.Date I was surprised he didn't mention the Date and Calendar API as one of his regrets. Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[The Java Posse] Re: I'm glad I don't have to Fly right now

2010-12-03 Thread RogerV
On Nov 29, 10:39 pm, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote: Conspiracy theory or not, in a hundred years, people will laugh back at how America is self imploding, wasting trillions. The incidentals of that day are unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Sure, with the march of

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: I'm glad I don't have to Fly right now

2010-12-03 Thread Cédric Beust ♔
You really need to read up on some history and in particular, learn what the Gestapo and the Stalinist regimes were really about. -- Cédric On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:47 PM, RogerV rog...@qwest.net wrote: On Nov 29, 10:39 pm, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote: Conspiracy

[The Java Posse] Re: I'm glad I don't have to Fly right now

2010-12-03 Thread RogerV
C4 is highly moldable. It can be fashioned into sheets that wrap contours of a person's body. Instead of visual body scanners that violate our right to privacy (i.e., presuming we're guilty without cause or charge and conducting a manner of search that should only be applied to those that have

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: I'm glad I don't have to Fly right now

2010-12-03 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
2010/12/4 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com You really need to read up on some history and in particular, learn what the Gestapo and the Stalinist regimes were really about. -- Cédric You mean like locking up people for years w/ out charge ? The difference between the Gestapo and Stalin and

[The Java Posse] Re: I'm glad I don't have to Fly right now

2010-12-03 Thread RogerV
On Dec 3, 10:58 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com wrote: You really need to read up on some history and in particular, learn what the Gestapo and the Stalinist regimes were really about. -- Cédric It's well accepted that the Nazi's caught the German Reichstags on fire and framed a hapless