On Dec 17, 5:50 pm, Michael Neale michael.ne...@gmail.com wrote:
The first two aren't really safe - look at Red Hat Enterprise Linux,
where you have a free, code-identical offering (CentOS) and somebody
else offering support at half of Red Hat's price (Oracle).
Ask Oracle how the sales
Does anyone actually have any quantitative numbers for how great a
business Java is for SUN and its shareholders? It occurs to me that
Java now serves primarily as PR (stock ticker change) and that the
majority of income generated by Java could very well have come from
the $1.6bn Microsoft payed
On Nov 22, 7:43 pm, Peter Becker peter.becker...@gmail.com wrote:
In other areas software becomes a commodity and as long as it works
well enough the cheapest option is the best. Linux is getting there in
some areas (think netbooks), OOo is catching up. They both still
suffer from not being
The first two aren't really safe - look at Red Hat Enterprise Linux,
where you have a free, code-identical offering (CentOS) and somebody
else offering support at half of Red Hat's price (Oracle).
Ask Oracle how the sales are doing on that front.
Apart from
that, support doesn't seem to
On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, Joe Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 20, 12:16 pm, andrew.bruce.law [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
However, check out Simon Phipps on FLOSS Weekly 39 [1] to see what Sun
*do* think it is.
I haven't had time to listen to it yet, but the points I've heard in
the past are
On Nov 20, 9:15 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point is, they aren't clinging to their sinking ship.
...sun is moving away
from selling big iron servers...
Did they say what they were moving towards?
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Vince O'Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 20, 9:15 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point is, they aren't clinging to their sinking ship.
...sun is moving away
from selling big iron servers...
Did they say what they were moving
A few things, but, some of those were under NDA and I didn't sort out
which bits have been publically released and which bits haven't.
Sorry :(
On Nov 21, 10:06 am, Vince O'Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 20, 9:15 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point is, they
Disclosure: I used to work for Sun and despite myself (like Joe I
think) I still don't want to see them die.
@Karsten. I follow your reasoning if the future is shrink wrapped
software and you're right, Sun don't follow this.
However, check out Simon Phipps on FLOSS Weekly 39 [1] to see what
I've received a tour of the sun facilities in the valley, and spoken
to a few VPs, and sun knows what they are doing. The economy sucks,
and, yes, they still get most of their profit from selling big irons,
which is a horrible business to be in this quarter.
The point is, they aren't clinging to
Totally agree (the standard ***The Oak and the
Reed*http://www.aestheticrealism.net/poetry/Oak-Reed-LaFontaine.htmissue:
Not being flexible when the strom comes will kill you).
BTW: You could have said also: *cough*Banks*cough* :)
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot [EMAIL
I personally think that:
- Karsten is right in that shrink-wrapped has the best margins and
still is a big market to make money in
- this market is dying fast, thus not the future as you claim (Karsten
didn't say that)
- you are right that Sun is ahead of the curve and suffering the
problems of
On Nov 14, 5:22 pm, Casper Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't imagine that could turn out positive for Java. A fairly large
Look at the charts attached to Jonathan Schwartz's blog entry on the
Q1 2009 results at http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/date/200810. Java,
broken out in terms of revenue,
On Nov 15, 2:01 pm, Patrick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Java, broken out in terms of revenue, has brought in around $220 million per
year for the last couple of years (no details before that). Not
knowing the costs involved, and just guessing, it seems like a pretty
tidy sum of money,
Maybe they should sell all of their assets, EXCEPT Java :)
And rename the company to Java, inc.
BoD
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Here we go - Sun lays off 18% of their staff and restructures their
software group:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/14/news/companies/sun_microsystems/index.htm?postversion=2008111408
I guess we have to wait and see what that means for Java.
Karsten
I can't imagine that could turn out positive for Java. A fairly large
part of the community has been annoyed for a while at the lack of
leadership from SUN in regard to (core) Java.
So it's tempting to try and connect the dots, in light of all the
heavyweight engineers who left SUN or the Java
Resigned even :)
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Mark Derricutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rich Green has retired 6000 jobs cut :(
http://www.indicthreads.com/news/1272/sun_layoffs_rich_green_leaves_gadre_heads_java.html
If I wasn't already sitting down I think I'd have to. Maybe I
Rich Green has retired 6000 jobs cut :(
http://www.indicthreads.com/news/1272/sun_layoffs_rich_green_leaves_gadre_heads_java.html
If I wasn't already sitting down I think I'd have to. Maybe I should go and
learn C# now...
zomg.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Joe Data [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let's keep our fingers crossed for our friends at Sun and hope for the
best.
Josh Juneau
DBA-Application Developer
On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Mark Derricutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Resigned even :)
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Mark Derricutt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Rich Green
I thought I'd look at Jonathan Schwartz's blog for the first time in a
long time.
Some stuff on there about the thinking behind Microsoft's toolbar,
also the business model behind the software side of things, including
this question:
Wait, you make money off Java?
Yes, it's among the most
For about a month, there's been a brewing story about a value
investment firm, Southeastern Asset Management, buying up a large
position in Sun, and already talking to management about what they
think the company needs to do to improve shareholder value:
Still gotta laugh at that the 'JAVA' stock symbol; does make Java look
bad during these times thou
/derek
sherod wrote:
I attached a screen grab of SUN vs NASDAQ and Microsoft / Google /
IBM / Oracle / Yahoo
Everybody has gone done, but Sun's decrease is much more profound and
is well
Java is now pronounced:
JAAav..
(screaming voice falling)
On Nov 13, 1:28 pm, Derek Munneke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Still gotta laugh at that the 'JAVA' stock symbol; does make Java look
bad during these
On a serious note, I also found this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/06/sun_software_earnings_q1_2009/
For the first quarter of Sun's fiscal 2009, Java pulled in $34m, an
increase of 17.2 per cent on the year before. That compared to 20 per
cent and 41 per cent for the proceeding years.
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