Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread Kevin Duffey
Yet again I can't wait to read the statement that I hope Marc or someone is preparing right away. I spoke to two more people tonight, one from Sun that has learned of the conflict going on. I can only imagine how quickly this is going to proliferate through various companies that once again JBoss

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread viktor
HI!, I would much like for Bill to do the waltz around these issues and for U to just keep the technology as U are excellent at ... sorry to but in ... but i do think Bill when being consequent... is holding up quit well later v On Thursday, Aug 7, 2003, at 21:37 Europe/Stockholm,

[JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread Eric Jain
These are the reasons for the removals: Two companies, both selling training, support and documentation for a product that is controlled by one of the two companies. Anyone else see a problem here? Naturally, the company controlling the project will try to put their competitor at a

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread John Childress
I'll send money too - Original Message - From: Kevin Duffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals If I send you the money for one of those big Australian beers we see on the commercials here

[JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Wilkins
Scott M Stark wrote: ... especially given the fact that there was no discussion on any public or private JBoss channel... We have been told many times in public and private not to post dissenting views to the jboss lists - so we could hardly discuss our reasons for a fork there. Plus many of

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Christopherson
Bill Burke wrote: The fact remains that you participated in a JBoss fork. This shows a complete lack of commitment to the JBoss project and community. You have lost the trust of the JBoss project admins. Frankly Bill, I don't see what good removing their CVS commit priviledge is going to do:

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread Simon Hill
On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 04:16, Kevin Duffey wrote: If I send you the money for one of those big Australian beers we see on the commercials here, will you reply with a nice long email? ;) You can *have* our Fosters. *bleh* signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Wilkins
Firstly a note to the list moderator: This is a request for CVS access, so I believe that it is on topic and should not be censored. Bill Burke wrote: JBoss Group, as caretaker of the JBoss project, has recently decided to remove CVS access committers for a few of our committers. We do not remove

RE: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-14 Thread Bill Burke
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Wilkins Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals Firstly a note to the list moderator

RE: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-12 Thread Barlow, Dustin
Most new companies are conceived and put together in private. There is nothing about contributing to an open source project that should prevent you from having private/secret commercial plans. Do you post all your commercial plans to use JBoss on the list? In most cases I would agree with

RE: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-12 Thread Peter Spiess
Maybe this is a good reason for not having any commercial entity have 100% control of the commit rights of an open source project. I don't know what is the best solution to prevent forking and duplication of efforts, especially when commercial interests are involved with open source projects.

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-11 Thread Tom Coleman
I understand that there are two sides to every story... There are actually three sides to every story... His side, Her side, and the truth, which requires nothing short of the wisdom of Solomon to grasp. --- This SF.Net email

RE: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-10 Thread Bill Burke
] Re: Recent CVS removals Yet again I can't wait to read the statement that I hope Marc or someone is preparing right away. I spoke to two more people tonight, one from Sun that has learned of the conflict going on. I can only imagine how quickly this is going to proliferate through various

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-10 Thread Scott M Stark
Its simply. We are not about to work with developers who we now feel have to be watched for every checkin because we don't know what their motives are. There was a decision to leave, fine, no action taken. There was a decision to fork, fine, you are removed as a developer. Any expection to

[JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-10 Thread Greg Wilkins
Barlow, Dustin wrote: Maybe its time for the CDN folks to be a little more forthcoming about their real intentions and explain why they felt they needed to plan and implement their flight/fork from the JBoss Group in secret. Most new companies are conceived and put together in private. There is

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-09 Thread Vladyslav Kosulin
Bill Burke wrote: Jetty will still be shipped with major releases and Jetty integration will still be maintained. The Jetty folks can still submit patches via SourceForge, but they have lost the privilege of committing. CVS access is a privilege, not a right, and is a contract of trust between

Re: [JBoss-user] Re: Recent CVS removals

2003-08-09 Thread Kevin Duffey
If I send you the money for one of those big Australian beers we see on the commercials here, will you reply with a nice long email? ;) --- Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barlow, Dustin wrote: Maybe its time for the CDN folks to be a little more forthcoming about their real