[jdev] Re: FOSDEM / devcon / interop update

2007-01-04 Thread Alexander Gnauck
i think we also should setup a participant list on the Wiki. So all members/developers who are interested to participate the event can signup there. I think most of us have to stay in a hotel for some days, so we should recommend 1 or 2 hotels. Alex Peter Saint-Andre wrote: The devcon /

Re: [jdev] Re: FOSDEM / devcon / interop update

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
It's a wiki -- feel free to edit. :-) I've started an attendee list at the relevant page: http://wiki.jabber.org/index.php/Interop_Event Alexander Gnauck wrote: i think we also should setup a participant list on the Wiki. So all members/developers who are interested to participate the event

Re: [jdev] Announce: XMPP-Binder

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2006-12-24, Matt Mankins wrote: Hi All. Hey Matt, it's good to see your name on the mailing lists again. :-) I recently created some code which implements XEP 124, HTTP Binding via Danga's Perlbal reverse proxy server into subversion today: svn://code.loremlabs.com/xmpp-binder/

Re: [jdev] Release announcement: jabberd14 1.6.0 (Sunday) is available

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Hey Matthias, that's great news. But don't you think that it's a bit odd to have jabberd14 1.6? :-) Maybe jabberd1 is better... Matthias Wimmer wrote: Hi! I am very happy to be finally able to announce the availability of version 1.6.0 of jabberd14. http://download.jabberd.org/jabberd14/

Re: [jdev] Release announcement: jabberd14 1.6.0 (Sunday) is available

2007-01-04 Thread Sander Devrieze
Peter Saint-Andre schreef: Hey Matthias, that's great news. But don't you think that it's a bit odd to have jabberd14 1.6? :-) Maybe jabberd1 is better... jabberd1 looks a bit like jabberdl; maybe another point of confusion :D -- Mvg, Sander Devrieze.

Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
So many times people have brought this up, but at no time has anyone written up a spec for it. I wonder why? Do you want to include *all* XHTML content? Scripts? Media objects? Forms? If so, feel free to write up a spec for that. To me, it seems like a bad idea. Peter JD Conley wrote: We

[jdev] Re: Release announcement: jabberd14 1.6.0 (Sunday) is available

2007-01-04 Thread Alexander Gnauck
i think we had this discussion several times before. jabberd1 or jabberd 1.x tends always to confusion because all newbies to which i talked in jdev see jabberd2 as the successor of jabberd1 which is wrong. Sander Devrieze wrote: Peter Saint-Andre schreef: Hey Matthias, that's great news. But

[jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Alexander Gnauck
i agree that it's a bad idea for chat messages. But i talked to many people who want to send type='normal' in HTML like email. And in email there is also no restriction of allowed tags. I personally don't care much about XHTML and still try to send 99% of my email in plain text only. I agree

Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Alexander Gnauck wrote: i agree that it's a bad idea for chat messages. But i talked to many people who want to send type='normal' in HTML like email. And in email there is also no restriction of allowed tags. Oh well sure. But that's a different use case. :-) I personally don't care much

Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Alexander Gnauck wrote: I would like prefer smth which allows multipart messages with different content types where plain text is always required. Content types could be plain text, xhtml, rtf etc... Hmm, there are many issues with email to jabber translation

Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Alexander Gnauck wrote: I would like prefer smth which allows multipart messages with different content types where plain text is always required. Content types could be plain text, xhtml, rtf etc... Hmm, there are many issues with email to

Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Alexander Gnauck wrote: I would like prefer smth which allows multipart messages with different content types where plain text is always required. Content types could be plain text, xhtml, rtf etc... Hmm, there are

[jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Alexander Gnauck
ya this looks nice. AS also Peter mentioned the problem will be the binary inline content if it's getting to big. Then receiving this message blocks your whole XMPP connection. For small inline content (small images) this will work fine. A workaround for this problem is to send the main

Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Alexander Gnauck wrote: I would like prefer smth which allows multipart messages with different content types where plain text is always required. Content types could be plain text, xhtml,

Re: [jdev] Re: Release announcement: jabberd14 1.6.0 (Sunday) is available

2007-01-04 Thread Sander Devrieze
Alexander Gnauck schreef: i think we had this discussion several times before. jabberd1 or jabberd 1.x tends always to confusion because all newbies to which i talked in jdev see jabberd2 as the successor of jabberd1 which is wrong. What about making the release numbers of jabberd14 negative

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Norman Rasmussen
What about just making whitespace significant in the xmpp spec? i.e. most client will want to replace space with nbsp before displaying to the user, or maybe you can set a flag on the html renderer On 12/15/06, Bernhard Zwischenbrugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on encoding nbsp; is

Re: [jdev] Re: Release announcement: jabberd14 1.6.0 (Sunday) is available

2007-01-04 Thread Matthias Wimmer
Hi Sander! Sander Devrieze schrieb: What about making the release numbers of jabberd14 negative to solve the problem? :o) Hey ... this is a really cool idea! I like it very much. :-)) Matthias -- Matthias Wimmer Fon +49-700 77 00 77 70 Züricher Str. 243Fax +49-89 95 89 91 56 81476

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Whitespace is significant in the body/ element, no? Norman Rasmussen wrote: What about just making whitespace significant in the xmpp spec? i.e. most client will want to replace space with nbsp before displaying to the user, or maybe you can set a flag on the html renderer On 12/15/06,

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Norman Rasmussen
True, so we need to remind client developers that it's significant in the html node too, and that it's the job of the _receiving_ client to ensure that the whitespace is preserved (not the sending client) By making it a receiving job, we keep the bandwidth down :-) On 1/4/07, Peter Saint-Andre

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Norman Rasmussen wrote: Whitespace is significant in the body/ element, no? True, so we need to remind client developers that it's significant in the html node too, and that it's the job of the _receiving_ client to ensure that the whitespace is preserved (not the sending client) Just a

Re: [jdev] Re: Release announcement: jabberd14 1.6.0 (Sunday) is available

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Matthias Wimmer wrote: Hi Sander! Sander Devrieze schrieb: What about making the release numbers of jabberd14 negative to solve the problem? :o) Hey ... this is a really cool idea! I like it very much. :-)) Well, now that I look more closely, it's jabberd14 -- I guess that's the codebase

Re: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Justin Karneges
On Thursday 04 January 2007 12:07 pm, Alexander Gnauck wrote: ya this looks nice. AS also Peter mentioned the problem will be the binary inline content if it's getting to big. Then receiving this message blocks your whole XMPP connection. For small inline content (small images) this will work

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Norman Rasmussen
gosh I hope not. On 1/4/07, Maciek Niedzielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Norman Rasmussen wrote: Whitespace is significant in the body/ element, no? True, so we need to remind client developers that it's significant in the html node too, and that it's the job of the _receiving_ client to

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Justin Karneges
On Thursday 04 January 2007 1:04 pm, Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Norman Rasmussen wrote: Whitespace is significant in the body/ element, no? True, so we need to remind client developers that it's significant in the html node too, and that it's the job of the _receiving_ client to ensure

[jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Alexander Gnauck
Justin Karneges wrote: This begs the question: what is too big? Currently, we consider stanza size to be somewhat unbounded, as XMPP-Core imposes no size maximum. But I believe we do need some mechanism for a stanza maximum size, otherwise XMPP software is prone to denial-of-service attacks.

RE: [jdev] Re: XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread JD Conley
Justin Karneges wrote: This begs the question: what is too big? Currently, we consider stanza size to be somewhat unbounded, as XMPP-Core imposes no size maximum. But I believe we do need some mechanism for a stanza maximum size, otherwise XMPP software is prone to denial-of-service

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Justin Karneges wrote: On Thursday 04 January 2007 1:04 pm, Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Norman Rasmussen wrote: Whitespace is significant in the body/ element, no? True, so we need to remind client developers that it's significant in the html node too, and that it's the job of the _receiving_

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Bernhard Zwischenbrugger
Hi The nbsp; depends on character encoding only, it hasn't much to do with xmpp. It's the same with uuml; for ü ouml; for ö ... If you want to use nbsp; you have to start the stream with us-ascii (which is default encoding for html - xhtml has utf-8 as default encoding): ?xml version='1.0'

Re: [jdev] XHTML-IM XEP implementation

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:35:05AM +0100, Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote: Hi The nbsp; depends on character encoding only, it hasn't much to do with xmpp. In fact it does: http://www.xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc3920.html#xml-restrictions So the only predefined entities allowed are: !ENTITY lt

[jdev] xmppping - simple XEP-0199 pinging script

2007-01-04 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Hi, I wrote a simple script that can be used for xmpp-pinging. http://machekku.uaznia.net/jabber/xmppping/xmppping-0.1.tar.gz (requires python and PyXMPP) It tries to mimic ping command, so should be not so hard to use ;) To have some practical use cases, it returns 0 if there was at least one