Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-17 Thread Olivier Goffart
Le mercredi 16 avril 2008, Sander Devrieze a écrit : 2008/4/16, Sander Devrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/16, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Screenshot attached. Wow, that's confusing. I was at least hoping that you would use different icons for things where you hide the

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-16 Thread Sander Devrieze
2008/4/16, Olivier Goffart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip I don't see the link with JID escaping. JID Escaping can be used to show [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the roster instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]. No it can't (you can't hide the @msn.example.org part with escaping) Could be, but JID Escaping

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-16 Thread Remko Tronçon
Screenshot attached. Wow, that's confusing. I was at least hoping that you would use different icons for things where you hide the real JID from the user, or visualize which transport this belongs to. Now there's no way to distinguish between [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-16 Thread Richard Dobson
Could be, but JID Escaping is at least required (that is what Mats said to me). Screenshot attached. Thats bad UI design IMO, if you are going to hide part of the address because its on a transport you need to at least represent it differently, i.e. with an MSN icon next to it rather than

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-16 Thread Sander Devrieze
2008/4/16, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Screenshot attached. Wow, that's confusing. I was at least hoping that you would use different icons for things where you hide the real JID from the user, or visualize which transport this belongs to. Now there's no way to distinguish between

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-16 Thread Sander Devrieze
2008/4/16, Sander Devrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/4/16, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Screenshot attached. Wow, that's confusing. I was at least hoping that you would use different icons for things where you hide the real JID from the user, or visualize which transport

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-16 Thread Sander Devrieze
2008/4/16, Richard Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could be, but JID Escaping is at least required (that is what Mats said to me). Screenshot attached. Thats bad UI design IMO, if you are going to hide part of the address because its on a transport you need to at least represent it

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-15 Thread Magnus Henoch
Florian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I just stumbled upon is message on the Websteam Mailinglist, and asked myself the question, why don't we ? ... have a roster item exchange XEP? I think this would be a big step for XMPP, if this could be implemented. Not only for transports, but

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Magnus Henoch wrote: Florian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I just stumbled upon is message on the Websteam Mailinglist, and asked myself the question, why don't we ? ... have a roster item exchange XEP? I think this would be a big step for XMPP, if this could be implemented. Not

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-15 Thread Olivier Goffart
Le lundi 14 avril 2008, Sander Devrieze a écrit : 2008/4/14, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Isn't JID Escaping support and/or User Nickname support in both client and transport a better solution for this? I don't see the link with JID escaping. JID Escaping can be used to show

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-14 Thread Remko Tronçon
I just stumbled upon is message on the Websteam Mailinglist, and asked myself the question, why don't we ? ... have a roster item exchange XEP? I http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0144.html This has been implemented in PyMSN-t and Psi, although I forgot whether it is actually in PyMSN-t

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-14 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 2008-04-14, pon o godzinie 09:17 +0200, Remko Tronçon pisze: you still have to accept one 'mass' subscription, but it's a lot less annoying than acking every single contact. That depends only on the UI design. If an app shows separate question window for every subscription request, then

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-14 Thread Remko Tronçon
That depends only on the UI design. If an app shows separate question window for every subscription request, then yes - this may be annoying. Acking is just one aspect though; roster item exchange also handles initialization of nicknames and groups. cheers, Remko

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-14 Thread Sander Devrieze
2008/4/14, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That depends only on the UI design. If an app shows separate question window for every subscription request, then yes - this may be annoying. Acking is just one aspect though; roster item exchange also handles initialization of nicknames

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-14 Thread Remko Tronçon
Isn't JID Escaping support and/or User Nickname support in both client and transport a better solution for this? I don't see the link with JID escaping. As for user nickname support: user nickname is for nickname updates, not nickname initialization. You could leave the name of your roster

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-14 Thread Jonathan Dickinson
Sent: 14 April 2008 04:31 PM To: Jabber/XMPP software development list Subject: Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP Isn't JID Escaping support and/or User Nickname support in both client and transport a better solution for this? I don't see the link with JID escaping. As for user nickname

Re: [jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-14 Thread Sander Devrieze
2008/4/14, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Isn't JID Escaping support and/or User Nickname support in both client and transport a better solution for this? I don't see the link with JID escaping. JID Escaping can be used to show [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the roster instead of [EMAIL

[jdev] Roster Item Exchange XEP

2008-04-13 Thread Florian Jensen
Hi, I just stumbled upon is message on the Websteam Mailinglist, and asked myself the question, why don't we ? ... have a roster item exchange XEP? I think this would be a big step for XMPP, if this could be implemented. Not only for transports, but also for Applications using Jabber. What