Re: mazinke
I'm answering both on list and off as others may be interested as well. I've seen it usually with the mother and father in the center of the circle. But it's really up to the customer. In spite of the tradition being for the mezinke, we've done it also for the parents of the mezinik (a boy who is the youngest to be married off in the family.) It's the celebration of putr vern ( being freed of the responsibility) for marrying off your children. Zayt gezunt (be healthy), Yosl (Joe) Kurland The Wholesale Klezmer Band Colrain, MA 01340 voice/fax: 413-624-3204 http://www.WholesaleKlezmer.com At 6:38 AM -0400 8/28/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A favor - please reply off line because I am hopelessly behind on my JMML reading. When one plays di mazinke oysgegebn - does one play ONLY for the mother of the kale? My customer wants to include her father. I have never seen or done this w/ a male in the center of the circle, either w/ the mother or alone! Thanks, Dena -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: mazinke
I don't necessarily restrict it to mother and father - we played a Bar Mitzvah recently where the parents of the Bar Mitzvah boy were Alice and Margaret). Ah, but more important, was their last child being married (otherwise 100% in agreement)? :-). ari Ari Davidow [EMAIL PROTECTED] list owner, [EMAIL PROTECTED] the klezmer shack: http://www.klezmershack.com/
Re: mazinke
Yeah, the father sits with the mother all the time. Don't sweat it. Jordan Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A favor - please reply off line because I am hopelessly behind on my JMML reading. When one plays di mazinke oysgegebn - does one play ONLY for the mother of the kale? My customer wants to include her father. I have never seen or done this w/ a male in the center of the circle, either w/ the mother or alone! Thanks, Dena -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: mazinke
While interpreting and deconstructing this tradition bear in mind that the definition of the Yiddish word mizinke is youngest daughter. No big deal, but if I were trying to squeeze orange juice out of an apple because I was all out of oranges, I would at least stop calling it an apple. At 10:41 AM 8/28/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, I'm inclusive. In the old days the parents were 'being freed of the burden' of marrying off their children and so the last was special. I feel that being the parents of a child that is being married is an honor and should be treated as such, be it the first, middle, last, 2 children in one wedding, etc., etc. I think that's the best way, to respect, honor and understand the tradition and the reason for it, while interpreting it in light of today's mores where most parents would not think that the oldest daughter has to be married first, etc. Dick Rosenberg I don't necessarily restrict it to mother and father - we played a Bar Mitzvah recently where the parents of the Bar Mitzvah boy were Alice and Margaret). Ah, but more important, was their last child being married (otherwise 100% in agreement)? :-). ari _ Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of Paramus, NJ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: mazinke
In a message dated 8/28/2003 5:32:51 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When one plays "di mazinke oysgegebn" - does one play ONLY for the mother of the kale? My customer wants to include her father. We always include the father--assuming he's alive at the time. I haven't seen it done any other way. We also put the bride on one side and the groom on the other. The chairs are arranged so that one faces one direction and one the other (like this: ! i ! i ). That way, they are always facing someone in the circle. Both father and mother get floral crowns, as a rule. It usually eventually warms up and becomes another hora set. Lori @ MAX
Re: mazinke
on 8/28/03 1:08 PM, Sam Weiss at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While interpreting and deconstructing this tradition bear in mind that the definition of the Yiddish word mizinke is youngest daughter. No big deal, but if I were trying to squeeze orange juice out of an apple because I was all out of oranges, I would at least stop calling it an apple. At 10:41 AM 8/28/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, I'm inclusive. In the old days the parents were 'being freed of the burden' of marrying off their children and so the last was special. I feel that being the parents of a child that is being married is an honor and should be treated as such, be it the first, middle, last, 2 children in one wedding, etc., etc. I think that's the best way, to respect, honor and understand the tradition and the reason for it, while interpreting it in light of today's mores where most parents would not think that the oldest daughter has to be married first, etc. Dick Rosenberg I don't necessarily restrict it to mother and father - we played a Bar Mitzvah recently where the parents of the Bar Mitzvah boy were Alice and Margaret). Ah, but more important, was their last child being married (otherwise 100% in agreement)? :-). ari _ Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of Paramus, NJ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: mazinke
While interpreting and deconstructing this tradition bear in mind that the definition of the Yiddish word mizinke is youngest daughter. No big deal, but if I were trying to squeeze orange juice out of an apple because I was all out of oranges, I would at least stop calling it an apple. And should I stop calling a Gasn Nign (street song) a Gasn Nign because we no longer have the tradition of the Klezmorim escorting the parents from their house in the shtetl to where the celebration is? I think I am preserving and disseminating the tradition more by explaining that 150 years ago it was hoped (expected) that daughters would be married off in chronoligical sequence and therefore the marrying of one's youngest daughter was a reason for great joy (or great relief from the lifting of the burden) whereas today the marriage of any daughter (or son) brings the same joy and I like to propose to my clients that they continue that tradition of the mezinke celebration no matter which child it is? Dick While interpreting and deconstructing this tradition bear in mind that the definition of the Yiddish word mizinke is youngest daughter. No big deal, but if I were trying to squeeze orange juice out of an apple because I was all out of oranges, I would at least stop calling it an apple. At 10:41 AM 8/28/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, I'm inclusive. In the old days the parents were 'being freed of the burden' of marrying off their children and so the last was special. I feel that being the parents of a child that is being married is an honor and should be treated as such, be it the first, middle, last, 2 children in one wedding, etc., etc. I think that's the best way, to respect, honor and understand the tradition and the reason for it, while interpreting it in light of today's mores where most parents would not think that the oldest daughter has to be married first, etc. Dick Rosenberg I don't necessarily restrict it to mother and father - we played a Bar Mitzvah recently where the parents of the Bar Mitzvah boy were Alice and Margaret). Ah, but more important, was their last child being married (otherwise 100% in agreement)? :-). ari _ Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of Paramus, NJ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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At 01:47 PM 8/28/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And should I stop calling a Gasn Nign (street song) a Gasn Nign Good point, but my reactionary reaction was less to the title of the song/dance and more to the meaning of verses that are sung; it's a question of Yiddish literacy rather than tradition. I understand that it's a moot point these days when performing the dance without the vocals, or in light of the fact that the Yiddish is little understood. All I'm saying is that if you wouldn't sing Happy Anniversary in English to a Bat Mitzvah girl, you shouldn't sing incongruous Yiddish lyrics either. _ Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of Paramus, NJ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: mazinke
A favor - please reply off line because I am hopelessly behind on my JMML reading. When one plays di mazinke oysgegebn - does one play ONLY for the mother of the kale? My customer wants to include her father. I have never seen or done this w/ a male in the center of the circle, either w/ the mother or alone! We've played with both parentsin the circle. When both khosn and kale have been the youngest, all four parents and maybe even grandparents and stepparents have been in the center of the circle. People are very happy to widen the ritual circle to make it more inclusive and to add joy to a khasene. Peggy Davis Peggy H. Davis Calligraphy Wholesale Klezmer Band Colrain, MA 01340 624-3204 www.HebrewLettering.com www.WholesaleKlezmer.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: mazinke
In a message dated 8/28/03 9:37:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it's really up to the customer. In spite of the tradition being for the mezinke, we've done it also for the parents of the mezinik (a boy who is the youngest to be married off in the family.) It's the celebration of "putr vern" ( being freed of the responsibility) for marrying off your children. EXACTY! Well put :-) I wrote similarly to Dena offline, but you said it best. adrianne _ Adrianne Greenbaum Associate Professor of Flute, Mount Holyoke College Klezmer flutist: FleytMuzik and Family Portrait Classical: "Sounds of America" fluteworld or cdbaby
