Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-24 Thread Felix Frank
On 06/24/2011 01:37 AM, sebb wrote: It means, keep up the Y requests / time unit... and you cannot do that with JMeter or any other load test harness with a similar threading model. This threading model is easy to write, easy to understand but self throttling. Event base models are harder

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-24 Thread Kirk
Gosh, I was about to dig into source code to setup some examples but I think you're explanation short-circuted that effort. There is a different problem with large numbers of threads that I was writing up in a different email. I'll transfer to here and then continue. As follows: Iincreasing

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Felix Frank
On 06/22/2011 06:13 PM, jsheth wrote: Also, if I run jmeter with 200 users, do I have to tweak anything in apache/tomcat on webserver so that it can handle 200 users? What is the default # of users the apache/tomcat can handle at once? Usually you test the other way around: You raise the

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:31 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 June 2011 11:06, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: One has to really be careful with JMeter's threading model. It has the potential to act as the bottleneck in your load test. I've seen a few teams chasing all kinds of

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread sebb
On 23 June 2011 13:57, Barrie Treloar baerr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:31 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 June 2011 11:06, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: One has to really be careful with JMeter's threading model. It has the potential to act as the bottleneck

RE: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread jsheth
HI, Do not have a Throughput Controller in my test script From: sebb-2-2 [via JMeter] [mailto:ml-node+4517382-1579059076-45...@n5.nabble.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:10 AM To: Jeegnesh Sheth Subject: Re: determining ramp-up period On 23 June 2011 13:57, Barrie Treloar [hidden

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Kirk
On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:01 PM, sebb wrote: On 23 June 2011 11:06, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: One has to really be careful with JMeter's threading model. It has the potential to act as the bottleneck in your load test. I've seen a few teams chasing all kinds of things in the app

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread sebb
On 23 June 2011 16:04, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:01 PM, sebb wrote: On 23 June 2011 11:06, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: One has to really be careful with JMeter's threading model. It has the potential to act as the bottleneck in your load test.

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Deepak Shetty
I'm just trying to establish why you say that the JMeter model can bottleneck. Yes this sounds like interesting stuff. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:34 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 June 2011 16:04, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:01 PM, sebb wrote: On

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Kirk
Hi Sebb, Happy to engage in a technical discussion. On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:34 PM, sebb wrote: On 23 June 2011 16:04, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:01 PM, sebb wrote: On 23 June 2011 11:06, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: One has to really be careful

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm expecting an incoming tx rate of 200 requests per second and JMeter doesn't have the threads to sustain it.. then I would consider JMeter to be a bottleneck in the test. This is because the artificially throttling

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Deepak Shetty
Can you elaborate some more about why the Thread starvation occurs? Im not sure if the terminology accurately describes the issue . But lets say you run a test with X number of threads and you want to simulate Y requests per second (the most common use case is a background load while you test

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Kirk
Hi Barrie, On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Barrie Treloar wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm expecting an incoming tx rate of 200 requests per second and JMeter doesn't have the threads to sustain it.. then I would consider JMeter to be a

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Kirk
On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:53 AM, Deepak Shetty wrote: Can you elaborate some more about why the Thread starvation occurs? Im not sure if the terminology accurately describes the issue . But lets say you run a test with X number of threads and you want to simulate Y requests per second (the most

RE: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread jsheth
+4519338-940910384-45...@n5.nabble.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:08 PM To: Jeegnesh Sheth Subject: Re: determining ramp-up period Hi Barrie, On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Barrie Treloar wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Kirk [hidden email] wrote: If I'm expecting an incoming tx

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread sebb
On 24 June 2011 00:12, Kirk kirk.pepperd...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:53 AM, Deepak Shetty wrote: Can you elaborate some more about why the Thread starvation occurs? Im not sure if the terminology accurately describes the issue . But lets say you run a test with X number of

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-23 Thread Kirk
was it that you did to show issues wrt connection pool? Is your demo available on a public forum? Thank You Jigi From: kirk-17 [via JMeter] [mailto:ml-node+4519338-940910384-45...@n5.nabble.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:08 PM To: Jeegnesh Sheth Subject: Re: determining ramp-up period

RE: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-22 Thread jsheth
-45...@n5.nabble.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 3:54 AM To: Jeegnesh Sheth Subject: Re: determining ramp-up period On 06/22/2011 03:21 AM, jsheth wrote: ERROR - jmeter.engine.StandardJMeterEngine: Uncaught exception: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded Your threads

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-22 Thread Felix Frank
On 06/22/2011 03:30 PM, jsheth wrote: 2. Aggregate report 3. View results tree Deactivating these will most likely help your memory problems. Only enable them if you really need them (i.e. the View Results Tree for debugging, the aggregate report isn't really necessary at any

RE: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-22 Thread jsheth
Dear Frank, What is the best way to save results to CSV if I run in silent mode? From: Felix Frank-2 [via JMeter] [mailto:ml-node+4514058-1648290135-45...@n5.nabble.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:38 AM To: Jeegnesh Sheth Subject: Re: determining ramp-up period On 06/22/2011 03:30

RE: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-22 Thread jsheth
: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:38 AM To: Jeegnesh Sheth Subject: Re: determining ramp-up period On 06/22/2011 03:30 PM, jsheth wrote: 2. Aggregate report 3. View results tree Deactivating these will most likely help your memory problems. Only enable them if you really need them

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-22 Thread Deepak Shetty
: Re: determining ramp-up period On 06/22/2011 03:30 PM, jsheth wrote: 2. Aggregate report 3. View results tree Deactivating these will most likely help your memory problems. Only enable them if you really need them (i.e. the View Results Tree for debugging, the aggregate

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-21 Thread Oliver Lloyd
What happened when you experimented with other ramp up periods? -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/determining-ramp-up-period-tp4512401p4512425.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

RE: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-21 Thread jsheth
: determining ramp-up period What happened when you experimented with other ramp up periods? If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/determining-ramp-up-period-tp4512401p 4512425.html

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-21 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:38 AM, jsheth jsh...@src-solutions.com wrote: I would get 500 response from the web code for random threads. some threads would finish while others would fail on certain pages Chances are this is showing you peak load issues with your web server - which you didn't

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-21 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:31 AM, jsheth jsh...@src-solutions.com wrote: So for 200 threads I should set my ramp up time to be 6000? Ramp up time = 6000 seconds. This will start a new thread, on average, every 6000/200 = 30 seconds where all threads will be running after 6000/60 = 100 minutes

Re: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-21 Thread Barrie Treloar
Also see http://jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/usermanual/test_plan.html#thread_group and http://www.google.com/search?q=jmeter+calculate+ramp+up+time - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jmeter-user-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For

RE: determining ramp-up period

2011-06-21 Thread jsheth
From: Barrie Treloar [via JMeter] [mailto:ml-node+4512540-133413972-45...@n5.nabble.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:17 PM To: Jeegnesh Sheth Subject: Re: determining ramp-up period On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:31 AM, jsheth [hidden email] wrote: So for 200 threads I should set my ramp