Re: [Jmol-users] Molecular view (CIF)

2011-07-18 Thread rgb
On Mon, July 18, 2011 11:34 am, Robert Hanson wrote: You should be able to get the correct molecular view even without any {xxx xxx xxx}, but maybe only if you use the latest build. Would you please try that? http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-12/Jmol-12.zip Bob, Would it make

Re: [Jmol-users] Molecular view (CIF)

2011-07-15 Thread rgb
On [2011-Jul-14] Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: OK, I got it. In generating models, Jmol was not establishing this connection: C4 C6 2_855 1.393(3) [snip] I'll take a look at this and get back to you. I'm a bit surprised that Jmol can't handle it directly, but here's how you

Re: [Jmol-users] Molecular view (CIF)

2011-07-15 Thread rgb
On Fri, July 15, 2011 12:52 pm, s...@publcif.co.uk wrote: [snip] So what is the generic command that'll load a molecule and display all of those (complete) molecules that have an atom within a unit cell? Rich load {444 666 1}; display within(molecule, cell=555) might be worth a try?

Re: [Jmol-users] Molecular view (CIF)

2011-07-15 Thread rgb
On Fri, July 15, 2011 1:02 pm, r...@ellerbach.com wrote: On Fri, July 15, 2011 12:52 pm, s...@publcif.co.uk wrote: [snip] So what is the generic command that'll load a molecule and display all of those (complete) molecules that have an atom within a unit cell? Rich load {444 666 1};

Re: [Jmol-users] Java 1.5 vs 1.6 on Macs?

2011-04-26 Thread rgb
On Tue, April 26, 2011 4:13 pm, Eric Martz wrote: I recently noticed that a colleague, using a Mac with Snow Leopard OS 10.6, has Java 1.6.0_24. In contrast, the java running Jmol on my Mac with (plain old) Leopard OS 10.5 is version 1.5.0_28, despite my having run all Apple Updates. If you

Re: [Jmol-users] writing .mol files

2011-04-15 Thread rgb
Yeah, I know. I was sure you'd say that. :-) Unfortunately it isn't a machine I have any control over. But I will send the suggestion. Rich On Fri, April 15, 2011 9:02 am, Robert Hanson wrote: Yeiks! 11.2! upgrade! On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:40 AM, r...@ellerbach.com wrote: Thanks Bob. I

Re: [Jmol-users] obj surface files exported from pymol

2010-11-24 Thread rgb
On Wed, November 24, 2010 10:17 am, Alexander Rose wrote: Manipulating the pdb file before creating the surface with PyMOL does not work because the PyMOL obj has no relation to the pdb coordinates. Isn't this something pymol should do? Maybe suggest a bug-fix/enhancement on the pymol list?

Re: [Jmol-users] Possible problem with the representation of a double bond

2010-09-14 Thread rgb
Understood Bob. I think having a parameter for it would be good and I think the default should be: multipleBondSpacing = 0.35 multipleBondCylinderThickness = 0.75 (or however you want to code it) Rich On [2010-Sep-10] Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: This isn't thickness, it's distance

Re: [Jmol-users] Possible problem with the representation of a double bond

2010-09-10 Thread rgb
On Fri, September 10, 2010 9:19 am, Robert Hanson wrote: that can be experimented with at http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-12/new.htm?topic=11 I think this could be a new default. Let's talk about it. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote:

Re: [Jmol-users] Possible problem with the representation of a double bond

2010-09-09 Thread rgb
Bob, My choice of words is leading to some confusion. In the current implememtation as the model is rotated the double bond rotates so the user sees two sticks in almost all orientations. This requires rotating the bond cylinders as the molecule rotates. Sometimes the aliasing of edges of the

[Jmol-users] bug in app 12.1.10?

2010-09-09 Thread rgb
Jmol Application 12.1.10 on MacOSX 10.5.8 with FF 3.6.7 or X11 If I'm rotating a molecule in Jmol and switch over to FF or X11 and type text or scroll the page and then click back into Jmol the leftmouse button no longer rotates the molecule but either translates it or zooms it. It appears that

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol 12.0 release -- feature check

2010-07-22 Thread rgb
Why is Jmol 12.0 called Jmol-11.zip? Rich Uploaded version is at http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/Jmol-11.zip -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the

Re: [Jmol-users] faulty output of write('PDB')

2010-07-14 Thread rgb
Robert Hanson wrote: Jmol is not attempting to write a perfect PDB file, especially when the data are not originally PDB data. I'll look into the occupancy issue. I think that should be proper if the file has occupancy data. Since the PDB-format is such a fundamentally broken one it is

Re: [Jmol-users] need 2-propenyl sulfenic acid molecular model

2010-06-01 Thread rgb
Otis Rothenberger wrote: Bob, This is the cat's meow. Thanks for the help. I'm still stuck with a server side approach (AJAX very frustrating!), but the Jmol load completed approach seems to work. Cholestane is below. What a slick way to communicate 3D models via email:

Re: [Jmol-users] ah, this is very, ah, WEIRD

2010-05-21 Thread rgb
Yep, fixed. Rich Robert Hanson wrote: Mac-side bug fixed. Please do check this out: http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/new.htm?topic=135 Bob -- ___

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol 3D-SCULPT mode

2010-05-21 Thread rgb
I agree with Angel. I think Jmol should be a professional-level display tool and there should be an educational-level tool for the molecule manipulation functions. The focus/needs of the two groups are different enough that one program is never going to satisfy the two groups and the

Re: [Jmol-users] ah, this is very, ah, WEIRD

2010-05-20 Thread rgb
nada Rich Robert Hanson wrote: so you don't even see a structure? On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Philip Bays pb...@saintmarys.edu mailto:pb...@saintmarys.edu wrote: Bob: I click on the red text in the description which transfers the command to the command area under the

Re: [Jmol-users] RC9-11 nonstarters?

2010-05-18 Thread rgb
Running OSX 10.5.8. Downloaded jmol-12.0.RC12-full.tar.gz and double clicked on the jmol.jar file. Error to console is: Exception in thread main May 18 14:57:39 xrayMP [0x0-0x40040].com.apple.JarLauncher[771]: java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: Bad version number in .class file May 18

Re: [Jmol-users] RC9-11 nonstarters?

2010-05-18 Thread rgb
Robert Hanson wrote: Yes, the issue is definitely the Java version.We changed to 1.5 recently. Actually, from what I could tell, we were using 1.5 functionality already for several months. It looks like Eric is probably using Java 1.4. Eric, if that's the case, first thing to do is check

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol Virtual Model Kit

2010-04-09 Thread rgb
On Fri, April 9, 2010 12:16 pm, Otis Rothenberger wrote: Downside: It's a helper application. Upside: ACD generously makes ChemSketch a free download for private, student, educational use. Isn't ChemSketch a MSWindows-only product? Rich

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol align

2010-03-15 Thread rgb
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:29:40 -0500, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu [snip] The operation Jmol is performing is definitely an alignment of sorts; I can certainly be careful not to claim it is structural alignment if that term is now synonymous with something more involved. of sorts It

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol align

2010-03-15 Thread rgb
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:48:19 -0500, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: [snip] Be that as it may, I'm also quite happy to change the name to anything reasonable. Since it's not just doing (at this point) a standard matrix-based RMSD minimization operation (which is what you want to call

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol align

2010-03-15 Thread rgb
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:33:08 -0500, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: Spacial doesn't really describe it. The method goes like this: --Identify pairs of matched residues (as opposed to atoms). So not of general use but limited to the special cases of nucleic acids and proteins.

Re: [Jmol-users] black-and-white ORTEP diagrams? (was : CCL: Visualizing Software)

2010-03-09 Thread rgb
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:22:39 +0100, Egon Willighagen egon.willigha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: That's ridiculous. Sorry, but to try to go retro on this is just too strange. :) I agree; don't shoot the messenger. Especially

Re: [Jmol-users] black-and-white ORTEP diagrams? (was : CCL: Visualizing Software)

2010-03-08 Thread rgb
I kinda agree with Bob. I certainly wouldn't want Jmol to be able to produce something of the quality of the image in that first link Egon quoted :-) But, if Jmol is to be a tool to produce hard-copy images for publications then an argument could be made for a really good-looking ORTEP style image

Re: [Jmol-users] auto-orientation?

2010-02-16 Thread rgb
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:04:32 -0800, Thomas Stout thomasjst...@gmail.com wrote: To follow up on my question from last week concerning auto-orientation, Rolf Huehne very graciously pointed me in the direction of a solution that he had already crafted for JenaLib. He uses the dimensions of the

Re: [Jmol-users] Electron Density Map Demo

2010-01-19 Thread rgb
The sigma is the esd (estimated standard deviation) for the value of the electron density at any grid point. So if the electron density calculations provide an esd of 1.2 electrons per cubic angstrom the 1 sigma contour lines would be at 1.2, the 2 sigma lines at 2.4, 3 sigma at 3.6 etc. Rich On

Re: [Jmol-users] Electron Density Map Demo

2010-01-19 Thread rgb
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:03:32 -0600, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: Is that in the file somewhere? What I have is dmin dmax dmean (density min max mean) rms Now, I DON'T think the rms is really rms -- I think it's rms deviation, but I could be wrong about that. What seems to

Re: [Jmol-users] Electron Density Map Demo

2010-01-19 Thread rgb
Robert Hanson wrote: Keep talking, Rich. I don't quite have it. I have a file of numbers. An isosurface is produced not by contouring but by finding the surface that intersects that cube of numbers at a specific cutoff value. dmin dmax dmean (density min max mean) rms

Re: [Jmol-users] feature suggestions

2010-01-15 Thread rgb
How do you decide on how pyramidal (or not) to make a N Bob? What about hydroxyl H atoms when there is the potential for intramolecular H-bonding? Rich On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:01:22 -0600, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: OK, that's in. See Jmol 11.9.19 ---

Re: [Jmol-users] multi-touch terminology: swipe

2010-01-14 Thread rgb
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:54:46 +0100, Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es wrote: El 14 Jan 2010 a las 11:24, Robert Hanson escribió: A swipe means you drag and the motion stops at the exact moment that the mouse is released. So the key is whether you release the button (swipe) or not (drag).

[Jmol-users] what is Jmol for?

2009-12-16 Thread rgb
As interesting as it is to plot stuff I really don't see the purpose of putting time and effort into making Jmol a generic 3D plotting program. Maybe if its abilities and interface were perfected for plotting molecules (large and small) then there might be some impetus to create Jplot (or

Re: [Jmol-users] bond order

2009-09-22 Thread rgb
On Tue, September 22, 2009 3:30 pm, Robert Hanson wrote: multiple bonds -- I guess this depends upon your definition of ideally. Others feel that ideally the bonds should rotate so that there is never a question as to their order. In addition, this introduces the ambiguity in cases such as

Re: [Jmol-users] moveto transition data

2009-04-18 Thread rgb
Ralf Stephan wrote: Hello, let's say I have two orientations and want to write 50 intermediate frames as image files: ---From: moveto 0.0 { -142 866 480 107.35} 100.0 0.0 0.0 {61.260506 38.7915 44.659} 50.97134 {0.0 0.0 0.0} 8.481314 102.86942 50.0; ---To: moveto 2.0 { -46 -870 492

Re: [Jmol-users] How to select atoms with names ending in '?'

2009-04-15 Thread rgb
This is a good suggestion Chris. For Ian's problem (since it is a well-defined in-house setup) the preprocessing could change the ? of an atom name to disordered (no need to stick with one character). Rich On Wed, April 15, 2009 9:05 am, Chris Foley wrote: Again, this won't solve the ? problem

Re: [Jmol-users] How to select atoms with names ending in '?'

2009-04-14 Thread rgb
On Tue, April 14, 2009 3:02 pm, tho...@ccdc.cam.ac.uk wrote: Hello, I'm sure there's a really easy way to do this but as a new Jmol scripter I'm struggling to see how! I need to write a Jmol script to select all atoms with names ending in '?'. My input file is a CIF and the presence of a

Re: [Jmol-users] How to select atoms with names ending in '?'

2009-04-14 Thread rgb
tho...@ccdc.cam.ac.uk wrote: Hi Rich, My input file is a CIF and the presence of a trailing question mark in the atom name indicates a disordered atom, e.g. 'C33?'. Is this construct a legal CIF atom_site_label Ian? As far as I am aware the CIF dictionary doesn't allow for that

[Jmol-users] atom indexes, serial numbers and names

2009-03-30 Thread rgb
Have the atom names stayed unique through the various remediation cycles of the PDB? If so use the CIF files with the names rather than the .pdb format files. Rich -- ___

Re: [Jmol-users] No more CambridgeSoft Chem3DPro for Macs

2009-03-22 Thread rgb
Fred Ziegler wrote: Jmol-ers: I still use OSX 10.4.11 (Tiger) on my Macs because it has OS9 (classic) which allows me to use CambridgeSoft's Chem3DPro to create minimized .mol files for Jmol display. CambridgeSoft no longer makes Chem3DPro for OSX but it does for Windows. Short of using

[Jmol-users] Letting Jmol make a movie between two views

2008-12-03 Thread rgb
With Bob's implementation of quaternions in Jmol it is *extremely* easy to let Jmol create an image sequence between two user-defined views. This sequence can then be converted into a movie using the standard tools. I did this recently (with Bob's help to get the syntax right) using the

Re: [Jmol-users] Protein Hydrogen Bonds again

2008-11-06 Thread rgb
On Thu, November 6, 2008 12:01 pm, David Leader wrote: However I still might see if there is a student up to integrating the C code. My colleague tells me that this is quite sophisticated. For example it calculates the H atoms and deals with the uncertainty in serines and threonines, by

Re: [Jmol-users] defaults for jmol application

2008-05-05 Thread rgb
On Sun, May 4, 2008 9:30 pm, Bob Hanson wrote: Rich, the popup menu is entirely cunstomizable. You can save whatever modifications you want to a file and then modify it to make it do whatever you want it to do. So it sounds to me like you should perhaps consider that as an option and then

Re: [Jmol-users] defaults for jmol application

2008-05-02 Thread rgb
Thanks Bob. I understand that that there are some builtin settings for the application that you want to rely on for a consistent lookfeel so that is the way it is currently set. One of my points is that the available preference settings within the app do not let a user (or a distributor)

Re: [Jmol-users] defaults for jmol application

2008-05-02 Thread rgb
On Fri, May 2, 2008 1:24 pm, Angel Herráez wrote: On 1 May 2008 at 16:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a usability perspective most of what is in the right-button menu should be in the application menus (and sub menus). The pop-up menu should be limited to those things that are relevant to

[Jmol-users] defaults for jmol application

2008-05-01 Thread rgb
I've had a look at both 11.4.2 and 11.5.33 and I don't think the default setup of the application is appropriate for new/casual users of chemical crystallography information. When fed a CIF the application puts up a unit cell box with one molecule with the center of rotation not coincident with

Re: [Jmol-users] Thermal ellipsoid plots?

2008-04-17 Thread rgb
On Thu, April 17, 2008 10:46 am, Bob Hanson wrote: Note that I am defining temperature as (U11 + U22 + U33)/3.0 * 100 If this is not correct, please let me know. (I can't find where I read that, and I don't know if I remember it correctly.) David Watkin prefers: Uequiv = (U1*U2*U3)**1/3

[Jmol-users] colouring ADP plots (was Re: Thermal ellipsoid plots?

2008-04-16 Thread rgb
On Wed, April 16, 2008 6:32 am, Brian McMahon wrote: Bob snip I doubt that it's Jmol's job to distinguish between main residue and small moiety, so I would suggest allowing an optional colour scheme that maps ellipsoid colour to maximum/minimum main axis ADP ratio that runs something like

Re: [Jmol-users] Thermal ellipsoid plots?

2008-04-14 Thread rgb
On Mon, April 14, 2008 9:28 am, Bob Hanson wrote: Brian, I would love to get this into Jmol. I think we can do a fabulous job of it, but I need to understand how thermal ellipsoids are designated in common file formats and how one would suggest depicting them (with the quarter-segment left

Re: [Jmol-users] adding hydrogens

2007-01-30 Thread rgb
On Mon, January 29, 2007 6:16 pm, Francesco Pietra wrote: Let me say that a package dealing with molecules that does not place hydrogens correctly is of no use professionally. If Jmol was a MM program or even a molecular-editor you might have reason to have such a view. But, Jmol is a

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol's use of ionic radii

2006-10-03 Thread rgb
Philip, Bob, It is an unfortunate fact of life that some (many?) CIF parsers rely to some degree on an assumed ordering of dataitems in the CIF. Even the cif-checking software that does structure checking at the IUCr breaks in this regard! The only way to not have this problem is if the CIF is

Re: [Jmol-users] Selecting molecules in unit cell -Jmol 11

2006-10-03 Thread rgb
On Tue, October 3, 2006 12:40 pm, Bob Hanson wrote: Ah, I see. If they do not cross cell boundaries, you could select cell=566 and for example. Or, if not, and they are all connected as a single organic molecule, you could: select within(molecule,cell=566 and symop = 1) site is

Re: [Jmol-users] PDB and crystallography

2006-09-08 Thread rgb
On Fri, September 8, 2006 2:12 pm, G. Jones wrote: PDB is fine, I don't know the format of cif files but if I did, or if you know a link where I can find it then that would be fine to. CIF files are very easy to write since they are free-format in a dataname datavalue style with not very many

Re: [Jmol-users] new documentation popup method

2006-09-06 Thread rgb
On Wed, September 6, 2006 8:32 am, Bob Hanson wrote: Jmol users: Please test the new documentation pop-up examples. Everything seemed to go OK with FF 1.5.0.6 on OSX 10.3.9 Rich - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need

Re: [Jmol-users] jmol and space groups

2006-09-06 Thread rgb
On Tue, September 5, 2006 4:35 pm, Bob Hanson wrote: In response to requests for Jmol to be able to visualize a wider range of crystallographic data sets, with the help of Peter and Judith Murray-Rust and Syd Hall, I've made a preliminary implementation of space group name analysis in Jmol

Re: [Jmol-users] Use of Jmol 10.2 to display unit cells

2006-08-29 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 29, 2006 4:47 am, Alan Hewat wrote: [snip] But otherwise it would indeed be interesting to have a Jmol script to apply symmetry operations ie:br bSelect (Basis);br Symmetry (x, 1/2-y, 1/2+z)brbr Select (Basis)/b would mean select all atoms if it is a file that does not

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol-11 does not accept blank lines in CIF files (it should)

2006-08-29 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 29, 2006 8:15 am, Alan Hewat wrote: html body It seems that Jmol-11 does not load CIF files containing any blank lines. But blank lines are not flagged as errors by ENCIFER a href=http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/free_services/encifer/; eudora=autourl

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol-11 does not accept blank lines in CIF files (it should)

2006-08-29 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 29, 2006 11:18 am, Bob Hanson wrote: Alan Hewat wrote: It seems that Jmol-11 does not load CIF files containing any blank lines. But blank lines are not flagged as errors by ENCIFER http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/free_services/encifer/ and should simply be ignored by the Jmol

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol-11 does not accept blank lines in CIF

2006-08-29 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 29, 2006 11:49 am, Alan Hewat wrote: Well a line starting with a hash such as #Jmolscript: will get carried as a comment by any CIF parser (I hope) so that should be CIF OK. The problem is that it is up to the individual parser. Parsers are also allowed to rearrange dataitems

Re: [Jmol-users] showing h-bonds with jmol

2006-08-29 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 29, 2006 2:29 pm, Bob Hanson wrote: must be a different URL Yep, Bull forgot the enclosing directory. See: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~wrp/bioch503/bioch503_l3.html Rich - Using Tomcat but need to do

[Jmol-users] Mac 10.3.9 with new FireFox (1.5.0.4)

2006-06-13 Thread rgb
This new version of FF doesn't seem to want to display the Jmol applet (v10.00) as reliably as the previous versions did (FF 1.5.0.3 and earlier). Quite often the spot for the applet just stays as an empty block. Multiple reloads will sometimes get it to display. Safari works just fine under the

Re: [Jmol-users] Mac 10.3.9 with new FireFox (1.5.0.4)

2006-06-13 Thread rgb
On Tue, June 13, 2006 8:43 am, Bob Hanson wrote: rich, do you know how to get a Java console output? We need to see that to see what error is occurring. No errors reported Bob. It just sits there with an unfilled space for the applet. In the bottom FF window info bar it says: Applet

Re: [Jmol-users] Mac 10.3.9 with new FireFox (1.5.0.4)

2006-06-13 Thread rgb
On Tue, June 13, 2006 9:04 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, June 13, 2006 8:43 am, Bob Hanson wrote: rich, do you know how to get a Java console output? We need to see that to see what error is occurring. No errors reported Bob. It just sits there with an unfilled space for the applet.

Re: [Jmol-users] Mac 10.3.9 with new FireFox (1.5.0.4)

2006-06-13 Thread rgb
On Tue, June 13, 2006 10:58 am, Bob Hanson wrote: Rich, you sure you are looking at the Java console log? (In one of your Mac directories? logs or log or something like that?) I checked both the javascript log and the java log. The interesting thing in the java log is what is not there. After

Re: [Jmol-users] jmolappletproto.jar: resolution

2006-06-07 Thread rgb
On Wed, June 7, 2006 1:54 pm, Steven R. Spilatro wrote: Angel, 1) XP with Service pack 2 2) no compression file installed, other than that which comes with windows 3) the extension is .zip, unless .jar is added in the save as window as previously described. What happens if you use FireFox

Re: [Jmol-users] question about spinning

2006-05-22 Thread rgb
On Mon, May 22, 2006 5:36 am, Angel Herraez said: I would say the spinning could retain its status, at least in respect to spin x , y , z. I don't see why the spin should be an applet state as opposed to a molecule state. I can see setting some things as an applet (or rendering) state that

Re: [Jmol-users] bug or not a bug -- select within()

2006-05-09 Thread rgb
On Tue, May 9, 2006 4:17 pm, Bob Hanson said: right, that's my point. It seems unnatural to me as well. That's why I was surprised and initially thought it was a bug. Personally I can't imagine it, either, unless Wouldn't it be more natural to have a model specifier? Do x to model n, or to

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol and mmCIF

2006-04-17 Thread rgb
On Mon, April 17, 2006 5:40 am, Egon Willighagen said: As long as the informat is split up over several data substructures, and one has to get those bits of information together, it does not really matter wether it is PDB, mmCIF or XML syntax. This is true. CIF is an information exchange

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol prerelease 10.00.56

2006-04-04 Thread rgb
On Tue, April 4, 2006 10:58 am, Bob Hanson said: I've found one bug in the CIF reader. I believe that if the second character of the atom.type_symbol field is capitalized, it should be uncapitalized before checking to see if it is an atom symbol. Any symbol may be used as the atom type and

[Jmol-users] cif parsing (was: Jmol prerelease 10.00.56

2006-04-04 Thread rgb
On Tue, April 4, 2006 1:34 pm, Bob Hanson said: Any symbol may be used as the atom type and that symbol (case included) is then forever associated with that atom type defined. So I don't think it is a good idea to assume you can change case to make comparisons or assignments. true, but in

Re: [Jmol-users] Web page with Jmol applet for human hormones

2006-03-28 Thread rgb
On Tue, March 28, 2006 5:24 am, Miguel said: Several educators have told me that it is a mistake for Jmol to read 2D structures ... because of the potential confusion caused by representing these structures as flat. I'm not sure mistake is the right way to characterize it. But it would be good

Re: [Jmol-users] Web page with Jmol applet for human hormones

2006-03-28 Thread rgb
On Tue, March 28, 2006 8:54 am, Miguel said: If I recall correctly, I suggested only allowing x/y rotation to one of these people. If I recall correctly, he responded by saying that even x/y rotation was flawed, because 2D molecular models were supposed to be presented in a standard

Re: [Jmol-users] getProperty -- synchronous applet interface -- JSON

2006-02-08 Thread rgb
On Wed, February 8, 2006 8:58 am, Frieda Reichsman said: Firefox 1.5 crashed the first time I tried it, after I used several different links to report info. I will re-test and get back to you later. I didn't get any crashes using FF1.5 on OSX10.3.9 but I do get a lot of

[Jmol-users] trim list replies

2006-02-03 Thread rgb
Whether you top-post or bottom-post please trim the quoted material to *just* what is necessary. Leaving entire multi-person posts intact after a line or two of top-post reply is really quite annoying. Rich --- This SF.net email is sponsored

wireframe/connect usage (was Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol prerelease 10.00.47

2006-02-02 Thread rgb
On Thu, February 2, 2006 10:20 am, Bob Hanson said: I disagree. From a user perspective, single and double are just rendering issues of wireframe. Wireframe should be allowed to respect or not respect the underlying connect type. If atoms are connected using a double bond then that *is* the

[Jmol-users] README.txt file in the distribution

2006-02-02 Thread rgb
I'd like to see this file expanded to have, even a brief, description of each of the files in the distribution. Rich --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX

Re: [Jmol-users] README.txt file in the distribution

2006-02-02 Thread rgb
On Thu, February 2, 2006 2:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to see this file expanded to have, even a brief, description of each of the files in the distribution. Would you be willing to write the descriptions ? Oh, I would have already if I knew what they all

Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol success

2006-02-01 Thread rgb
On Wed, February 1, 2006 9:47 am, Miguel said: I was visited by a rep from a book publisher the other day, who gave me a booklet with details of the forthcoming 6th edition of Stryer's Biochemistry (Berg et al.), the premier textbook for teaching undergraduate biochemistry. I quote from a

[Jmol-users] html xhtml

2005-11-08 Thread rgb
Further to the discussion of xhtml and html that was on this list a while ago I ran across this website that discusses the disadvantage of using xhtml in any except the most well-constrained environments. http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml Rich

Re: [Jmol-users] selecting atom IDs such as 1h47

2005-10-25 Thread rgb
On Tue, October 25, 2005 7:49 am, Miguel said: Please comment on the following proposal: * Jmol will support the 'HG11' version * The Jmol pdbReader code will convert atom names that match the following format: digit H alpha digit - H alpha digit digit Justification: * No

Re: [Jmol-users] Tripos format

2005-10-06 Thread rgb
On Thu, October 6, 2005 11:33 am, Miguel said: This is a good task for a novice who wants to contribute. It is a self-contained, well-defined task that would provide the opportunity to gain some experience with Java, CVS, open source development, and Jmol. Some possible ideas: * Francois

Re: [Jmol-users] decimal places in measurements

2005-08-30 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 30, 2005 12:01 pm, Miguel said: When displaying distance measurements ... Q: Does anyone feel the need to have more than one digit to the right of the decimal point when measuring in Angstroms? (or 2 digits with nanometers) [snip] I made an executive decision to reduce the

Re: [Jmol-users] decimal places in measurements

2005-08-30 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 30, 2005 12:22 pm, Miguel said: I was told that: - the Royal Chemical Society mandates that everything be done in nanometers For molecular structures the standard SI unit would be pm. - many publications no longer accept angstroms Not that I am aware of. All the journals

Re: [Jmol-users] decimal places in measurements

2005-08-30 Thread rgb
On Tue, August 30, 2005 1:29 pm, Egon Willighagen said: I remember a discussion on this on the list. But cannot find it with Google. Last August. Conclusion indeed was that angstrom where to be phased out. Not quite. Angstrom measurements are deprecated in all aspects other than

Re: [Jmol-users] Re: side-by-side stereo views

2005-07-19 Thread rgb
On Mon, July 18, 2005 4:26 pm, Miguel said: ... educate me ... :-) OK, you asked :-) More years ago than I want to consider I was doing some research and came across a paper by J.T. Rule titled Stereoscopic Drawings (J.O.S.A., 1938) in which he discusses the underlying inadequacies of using

Re: [Jmol-users] making jmol cgi script?

2005-06-21 Thread rgb
On Mon, June 20, 2005 6:00 pm, Miguel said: I'm trying to make a jmol page using cgi rather than static html. Other people have this running successfully. Yep. I have the jmol directories where they should be.

Re: [Jmol-users] Using Checkboxes in the applet

2005-04-14 Thread rgb
On Wed, April 13, 2005 1:51 pm, Joost Van Durme said: Hi, I want to use html checkboxes to toggle eg. ribbons on or off. So, when checked, ribbons are on, when unchecked, ribbons are off. I'm writing the html page in plain html after loading the applet with applet.../applet. This is the most

Re: [Jmol-users] atom colours

2005-04-06 Thread rgb
On Wed, April 6, 2005 9:12 am, timothy driscoll said: hi Rich, I'm assuming that you mean atom colors according to the default color by element scheme. Jmol uses a variant of the CPK scheme. if you have access to the source, you can find the values in

Re: Re: [Jmol-users] atom colours

2005-04-06 Thread rgb
On Wed, April 6, 2005 12:59 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Tim! Unfortunately I'm behind a corporate fire-wall that won't permit CVS access so I'm not able to just grab the source anytime I want to :-( You can still use the viewCVS interface of sourceforge (it is

Re: Re: [Jmol-users] atom colours

2005-04-06 Thread rgb
On Wed, April 6, 2005 12:12 pm, Miguel said: No, you are right. It is difficult to browse through the source code unless you know what you are looking for. Oh good, it's no fun looking stupid on a public forum :-) Rich --- SF email is

[Jmol-users] applet pop-up menu

2005-03-23 Thread rgb
Is there any provision for defining via javascript what is in the applet's pop-up menu? For my web pages I'd like to simplify things a bit and redefine others. Rich --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: 2005 Windows Mobile Application Contest

Re: [Jmol-users] Re: Picking and measuring

2005-03-22 Thread rgb
On Tue, March 22, 2005 10:37 am, timothy driscoll said: Eric suggested that the atom click also return, in some fashion, distance and angle data. for example, the distance would be the distance from the clicked atom to the previously clicked atom; the angle would include the previous two

Re: [Jmol-users] No bonds drawn to metals from shelxl .res file

2005-03-11 Thread rgb
On Fri, March 11, 2005 1:06 pm, Bob Hanson said: The problem is in the RES file decoder not recognizing EU1 as europium. The shelx atom name is an arbitrary string that matches a corresponding string in its scattering-factor definitions. To be perfectly general the reader would need to parse the

Re: [Jmol-users] Keynote

2005-03-02 Thread rgb
On Wed, March 2, 2005 12:48 pm, timothy driscoll said: On 2005-03-02 (11:13) Bob Hanson wrote: I think it's way better that it supports the HTML instead of just the=20 applet itself. In fact, I don't know exactly what the applet itself=20 would mean. I definitely would need that LiveConnect

[Jmol-users] Re: Chime or Jmol, this is the question

2005-02-28 Thread rgb
On Mon, February 28, 2005 11:56 am, Bob Hanson said: [snip] HOWEVER, it would be nice -- I'll bet Henry Rzepa knows how to do this -- if when Java is not there they at least get a GIF or something that points them to how to proceed. Would that be object code? For example, jmol.js could be

[Jmol-users] Re: Chime or Jmol, this is the question

2005-02-28 Thread rgb
On Mon, February 28, 2005 12:34 pm, timothy driscoll said: if they are working correctly, the compatibility checks should not add any overhead to Jmol operations as long as the system passes the checks. Maybe not to operations but there would be some overhead to do the checks in the first

Re: [Jmol-users] Select hydrogens bonded to nitrogens

2005-02-09 Thread rgb
On Wed, February 9, 2005 9:27 am, timothy driscoll said: On 2005-02-08 (14:35) S. Frank Yan wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there is a way in Jmol to select those hydrogen atoms that are bonded to nitrogen atoms. I could do this by distance; however, it might be better to say something like

[Jmol-users] Re: Default colors by element

2005-02-03 Thread rgb
jmol Warren, send me the RGB values for C,N,O,H,S and I will implement set defaultColors pymol Very nice! Now if Waren would implement an equivalet to set colors Jmol I could get rid of my colors file and make my make_a_png script independent of everything except the coordinates file :) Rich

[Jmol-users] safari crash with jmolLoadInline

2005-01-06 Thread rgb
Safari works correctly when I use jmolApplet(480,load /testmol.pdb); but if I read the pdb contents into a string (properly constructed, it works in FireFox) and use: jmolApplet(480); jmolLoadInline($pdb); the I get a crash in Safari: AppletRegistry.checkIn(jmolApplet0) 2005-01-06 10:48:44.747