[Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Robert Hanson
Firefox 18.0.1 is showing very odd behavior. I'm wondering if this is reproducible for other in Firefox or other browsers. 1) open http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/simple2.htm 2) in the command textarea, enter background yellow 3) click on an atom 4) back in the textarea enter background

[Jmol-users] JSmol lite

2013-01-30 Thread Robert Hanson
I'm wondering if we should try to produce a really trimmed-down lite version of Jmol -- a very very minimal core set of functionality that could have better load performance on mobile devices for very basic tasks. Maybe just wireframe spacefill ballssticks no text no math (just simple

Re: [Jmol-users] JSmol lite

2013-01-30 Thread Michael Evans
Bob, I feel like cherry picking functionality to include would present difficulties to users; e.g. I thought JSmol could do x, but it can't! This is a wild idea, but could the entire command-running apparatus be decoupled from display and mouse actions, with significant savings in code size? I'm

Re: [Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Otis Rothenberger
Bob, There was no problem with html5, but I suspect you knew that. I don't have active Java right now. BUT, I have encountered this problem in other contexts with the applet. I assumed is was a Java thing. When I encountered the problem, a forced JavaScript blur() then focus() would solve the

Re: [Jmol-users] JSmol lite

2013-01-30 Thread Otis Rothenberger
Bob, The ability to load minimal with the possibility of expanding as needed would be wonderful! Otis -- Otis Rothenberger o...@chemagic.com http://chemagic.com On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: I'm wondering if we should try to produce a really trimmed-down lite

Re: [Jmol-users] JSmol lite

2013-01-30 Thread Michael Evans
Agreed, Otis. I realized after reading your message that a version of JSmol that worked that way would be highly desirable, provided the process of loading files as needed is acceptable from a user experience perspective. Cheers, Mike --- Michael Evans Organic Chemistry Graduate Student, Moore

Re: [Jmol-users] JSmol lite

2013-01-30 Thread Jaime Prilusky
A fast, minimal JSmol, able to load additional features on demand, will be great. However, I think this will have little impact on model loading and management speed. Is this correct? Jaim On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: I'm wondering if we should try to produce a really

Re: [Jmol-users] JSmol lite

2013-01-30 Thread Paul Pillot
Minimified and Gzipped, Jsmol is a 700-800kB download. I am not sure that reducing the download is the way to go in order to improve user experience on mobile phones. I've seen JSmol once on an Iphone and it was really slow. Too slow to call it interactive. Maybe targeting at the graphic

Re: [Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Otis Rothenberger
Bob, One context was that I was using arrow keys to nudge (translate) a clicked model. After the click of the model, I would have problems similar to what you describe with a script field on the page until I clicked in a non-applet part of the page. The following pickCallback simulated

Re: [Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Philip Bays
It works for me with either Java or HTML5 on a Mac with Firefox 18.0.1 On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/simple2.htm J. Philip Bays Emeritus Professor of Chemistry Department of Chemistry and Physics Saint Mary's College Notre

Re: [Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Robert Hanson
Yes, that would be it, I think. I have filed a bug report with Bugzilla. For how long have you observed this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836490 On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Otis Rothenberger osrot...@chemagic.comwrote: Bob, One context was that I was using arrow keys

Re: [Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Otis Rothenberger
Based on involved file dates, early November 2012. Otis -- Otis Rothenberger o...@chemagic.com http://chemagic.com On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: Yes, that would be it, I think. I have filed a bug report with Bugzilla. For how long have you observed this?

Re: [Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Philip Bays
I think this might be related to an issue I raised which you corrected. It is described in an email on Christmas day. It was in JSmol, but a similar behavior. . On Jan 30, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Otis Rothenberger osrot...@chemagic.com wrote: Based on involved file dates, early November 2012.

Re: [Jmol-users] unexpected Java applet behavior

2013-01-30 Thread Robert Hanson
that was different. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Philip Bays pb...@saintmarys.edu wrote: I think this might be related to an issue I raised which you corrected. It is described in an email on Christmas day. It was in JSmol, but a similar behavior. . On Jan 30, 2013, at 5:40 PM,