Dear Simon, you are absolutely right, the early Jünger is only an easy target for the democratic and pazifist critique of fascist thought. The late Jünger is much more dificult to understand and is not at all a simple fascist, the concept of the "Anarch" is mainly based on the ideas of the left-wing Hegelian Max Stirner, a good friend of Karl Marx, though later Marx criticized him harshly, because his concept was very different from the messianic and totalitarian concepts of Karl Marx himself. Stirner was a non-violent anarchist and freethinker, and the late Jünger was an outsider, humanist and anarchist in the postindustrial, highly technological society that was established after World War II in the western hemisphere of the world. Yours, Klaus P.S.: You are also right when it comes to the professors. Some of them are well-trained and intelligent, but they are seldom really original and most of the things they write are simply boring.
--- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedr...@yahoo.de> schrieb am Mo, 22.12.2008: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedr...@yahoo.de> Betreff: AW: AW: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass An: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Datum: Montag, 22. Dezember 2008, 11:49 Klaus, Obwohl der frühere Jünger wichtig ist, um seine Entwicklung zu verstehen, ist der spätere Jünger zweifellos viel interessante. Aber er ist auch schwieriger zu verstehen und keiner "easy target", wie man es auf Englisch ausdrückt. Und deshalb - nicht nur weil sie einfach langsamer als andere sind - beschäftigen sich die Akademiker immer noch so sehr mit dem frühen J. Wie J selbst, schätze ich "die Professoren" nicht besonders. Natürlich aber gibt es Ausnahmen, und wenn einer meine Urteil ließt, dann soll ich mich im Voraus schon verzeihen! Simon Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Samstag, den 20. Dezember 2008, 00:22:11 Uhr Betreff: AW: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass Lieber Simon, ja, ich glaube, wir sind uns in den meisten Punkten ziemlich einig, auch in dem Punkt, dass man Jünger nicht auf den frühen, faschistischen Jünger eingrenzen sollte, sondern dass gerade der spätere Jünger, der Humanist, Philosoph und Weltbürger, vielleicht sogar der interessantere ist. Bis dann, Klaus --- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Fr, 19.12.2008: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Betreff: AW: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Freitag, 19. Dezember 2008, 13:07 Bravo, also teilen wir diese Meinung - ich hätte es nicht besser sagen können. Besonders in einer Fremdsprache. Simon Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 18. Dezember 2008, 17:39:12 Uhr Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass Dear Simon, this is a nice blog, and I believe Jüngers "anarch" is the adecuate response to the reality we are living in. In our highly technological, postindustrial society the most challenging question is how to preserve individuality, freedom of will, and the capacity to analyze and to understand the world we are living in. Instead of becoming a functional part of the "megamachine" (Lewis Mumford) of modern state and society the anarch tries to preserve his mind, his own will and his own values, which might be different from those of the politically conformist "consumer" which is the model of the ideal citizen of the "megamachine" . The "anarch" is not violent and does not ignore the rules of society - this is the difference to the anarchist - the "anarch" knows the rules of society and respects them, but only in a superficial way, because he knows these rules have to be accepted to a certain point, but they must not be adopted by himself. The "anarchs" own rules and ideas might be different from those of society and in case he collides with society or the society turn against him, he will become a "forest-fleer" and an outlaw an will hide himself in the "forest", which is a metaphor for his own interior world, his fantasy and dreams and his soul, which are never seriously damaged and touched by society. Yours, Klaus Gauger --- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Do, 18.12.2008: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 18. Dezember 2008, 11:32 Dear Richard, Klaus, et al: Since it is more or less on this theme of man and state, here's a link to my last blog entry "Human freedom and the welfare of the state". http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Simon Von: Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online. de> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Freitag, den 12. Dezember 2008, 12:28:33 Uhr Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass ----- Original Message ----- From: klaus gauger To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass Dear Simon, all your remarks are absolutely correct. The Jüngerian "Anarch" is solipsistic and his philosophy has nothing to do with traditional anarchism as a political and social phenomenon. The "Anarch" is an individual that is an opponent to the tecnical and rational organization of modern society and tries to live his libertarian ideas and values. Yours, Klaus Gauger --- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Do, 11.12.2008: 12.12.2008 Dear Simon, concerning Ernst Jünger's anarch, reading through his "Siebzig Verweht" diaries, I have gathered the impression that EJ considered himself an anarch, but did not reveal it openly. All he has written between the lines would be a chapter by itself. Anyway, I just would like to translate an entry of 1972, on his way to Alanya. One more instance to show how Jünger foresaw things to come: "In the plane. Before departure our hand luggage had been thoroughly screened. Policemen and policewomen were probing passengers in the cabin. The shadow-sides of comfort are getting evident, not only on a technical basis. Phenomenons like airplane hijacking, kidnapping, hostage-taking are more than things curious and signs of decadence. They should be studied ex ovo as symptoms of a new valuation or devaluation of man. Man who neither counts as person or as an individual, but is subjected to purely material assessment, becoming a commercial item. In an insurance fraud, for instance, he has to appear as a corpse, without any reference to individuality. Similar to child robbery and kidnapping. There is a difference here to antique slavery. Though the slave had to succumb to property law, this kind of anonymous substitution was missing, in spite of cases that were condemned as inhuman already in those times. Value is substituted by number, valuation by numbering. Some signs on the wall were already discernable in the 19th century: Bertillon, dactyloscopy, the increase of measuring instances which begins with the decimal system. The future developement is not yet to foresee. As a sole antagonist, as a last solicitor of the godhead there stands the man of art and muse. A sign for it, though a sign of want, are the pre-eminent prices for art objects. Yours Richard p.s. what does "ex ovo" mean? Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 10. Dezember 2008, 13:22:35 Uhr Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] Navigating Leviathan's carcass Suspicious message? There’s an alert for that.. Get your Hotmail® account now. Ihre Mail-Einstellungen: Einzelne Mails | Klassisch Einstellungen per Internet ändern (Yahoo!-ID erforderlich) Einstellungen: Zustellung in "Tägliche Zusammenfassung" ändern | In "Mit allen Funktionen" ändern Besuchen Sie Ihre Group | Nutzungsbedingungen von Yahoo! Groups | Abonnement kündigen __,_.._,___
