Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread John Layt
Hi, I've been asked by Richard Hughes from Gnome and Fedora to raise the profile of using AppData metadata within KDE. I know very little about this area myself, but thought it was worthwhile raising on the list for discussion. If you have any questions about AppData then Richard would be happy

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 09:27, John Layt jl...@kde.org wrote: The new Gnome Software Centre in Gnome 3.12 which uses AppData will become the default installer in Fedora 20 for Gnome (Fedora KDE will use Apper). Slight correction. We're shipping gnome-software 3.10.x in Fedora 20, 3.12.x in Fedora

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
Okay... Couple of questions: * screenshot: which theme/color scheme should be used (btw, for Krita, on Gnome3, Plastique is hard-coded, because other themes are broken.) * license: is that the license of the appdata file or of the application? * How much of marketing and how much of dry

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, November 2, 2013 09:27:18 John Layt wrote: One obvious question is how this might relate to Bodega if KDE chooses to switch to that? The same files could be used to generate asset descriptions for use with Bodega. What does Gnome shipping their own official App Store mean for

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/11/2 Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org: On Saturday, November 2, 2013 09:27:18 John Layt wrote: One obvious question is how this might relate to Bodega if KDE chooses to switch to that? The same files could be used to generate asset descriptions for use with Bodega. What does Gnome

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, November 2, 2013 14:35:10 Matthias Klumpp wrote: OCS is, generally, horribly designed. I am even hesitant to use the word ‘design’ in combination with OCS. It is really that bad, and why we did not use it for Bodega. I agree with that, and this is the reason why I currently

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 11:00, Yuri Chornoivan yurc...@ukr.net wrote: 1. AppData files are tailored for intltool/its-tool processing (tags with underscores). What do you think about adding untranslatable by design appdata files like it was done for Audacity [1]? Well, this is fine if you speak

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/11/2 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com: On 2 November 2013 11:00, Yuri Chornoivan yurc...@ukr.net wrote: 1. AppData files are tailored for intltool/its-tool processing (tags with underscores). What do you think about adding untranslatable by design appdata files like it was done for

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 14:34, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote: Yes, scripty could do that. It would make the files less readable an probably very huge, but it is certainly possible. I could imagine allowing PO files as translation sources, which are referenced from the XML, as long as

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 09:50, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/hughsie/appdata-tools/issues/7 and I'd be very open to spec improvement ideas. Apologies for replying to my own mail, but I forgot to mention the appdata-tools repo[1] which has the appdata-validate command.

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Sven Brauch
On Saturday 02 November 2013 14:37:02 Richard Hughes wrote: Well, I've not done any technical review of the OCS code, but in Fedora I've chosen to use fedora-tagger for ratings and comments. It's not hardcoded and I'd be open to doing something else. I have worked with OCS in the past on a

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 15:10, Yuri Chornoivan yurc...@ukr.net wrote: Depends on the format, have you got any examples of what it looks like? An example attached. Well, strong isn't a recognised tag (See http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/#description) but using xml:lang=foo is

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Martin Graesslin
On Saturday 02 November 2013 12:53:14 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Okay... Couple of questions: * screenshot: which theme/color scheme should be used (btw, for Krita, on Gnome3, Plastique is hard-coded, because other themes are broken.) You want to sell your app to the user: use what makes it look

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013, Martin Graesslin wrote: On Saturday 02 November 2013 12:53:14 Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Okay... Couple of questions: * screenshot: which theme/color scheme should be used (btw, for Krita, on Gnome3, Plastique is hard-coded, because other themes are broken.) You want to sell

Re: Review Request 113355: Reduce UDSEntry memory usage with implicit sharing

2013-11-02 Thread Mark Gaiser
On Oct. 31, 2013, 2:41 p.m., Frank Reininghaus wrote: I see now that I have tried to put too much stuff into a single patch - it's too hard to digest and to understand, and the number of possibilities to modify different aspects of UDSEntry in a different way is just too large for me

Re: Can we make api.kde.org search better?

2013-11-02 Thread Allen Winter
On Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:15:15 AM Albert Astals Cid wrote: Hi, yesterday i was talking with someone about the desktop file class we have in KDE, he tried to find its api by going to api.kde.org and typing desktop in the Search bar. If you do that

Re: Review Request 113342: Add support for retrying to KIO (frameworks branch)

2013-11-02 Thread Martin Tobias Holmedahl Sandsmark
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/113342/ --- (Updated Nov. 2, 2013, 6:48 p.m.) Status -- This change has been

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dissabte, 2 de novembre de 2013, a les 09:27:18, John Layt va escriure: Some recent developments make this a fairly high priority for apps that wish to target a cross-desktop audience. The new Gnome Software Centre in Gnome 3.12 which uses AppData will become the default installer in

Re: Can we make api.kde.org search better?

2013-11-02 Thread Albert Astals Cid
El Dissabte, 2 de novembre de 2013, a les 12:59:00, Allen Winter va escriure: On Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:15:15 AM Albert Astals Cid wrote: Hi, yesterday i was talking with someone about the desktop file class we have in KDE, he tried to find its api by going to api.kde.org

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 19:33, Albert Astals Cid aa...@kde.org wrote: What's the point in having an installer that hides more than half of the apps in the world that don't ship a file that is not a standard and doesn't seem to me it was developed as a standard? How is this useful to the end user?

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Sven Brauch
On Saturday 02 November 2013 19:48:01 Richard Hughes wrote: On 2 November 2013 19:33, Albert Astals Cid aa...@kde.org wrote: What's the point in having an installer that hides more than half of the apps in the world that don't ship a file that is not a standard and doesn't seem to me it was

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Harald Sitter
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 November 2013 19:33, Albert Astals Cid aa...@kde.org wrote: What's the point in having an installer that hides more than half of the apps in the world that don't ship a file that is not a standard and doesn't seem

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 November 2013 20:00, Harald Sitter sit...@kde.org wrote: We want to showcase high quality applications with active upstream maintainers. Who's doing the quality review? Well, if an upstream ships a valid .desktop file and a valid AppData file then that's a good indication it's at least

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Sven Brauch
On Saturday 02 November 2013 20:05:11 Richard Hughes wrote: Who's doing the quality review? Well, if an upstream ships a valid .desktop file and a valid AppData file then that's a good indication it's at least alive. I don't understand that. It's a good indication it's alive right now, but

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
2013/11/2 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com: On 2 November 2013 20:00, Harald Sitter sit...@kde.org wrote: We want to showcase high quality applications with active upstream maintainers. Who's doing the quality review? Well, if an upstream ships a valid .desktop file and a valid AppData

Re: Adopting AppData in KDE?

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/11/2 Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com: 2013/11/2 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com: On 2 November 2013 20:00, Harald Sitter sit...@kde.org wrote: We want to showcase high quality applications with active upstream maintainers. Who's doing the quality review? Well, if an

Re: Review Request 113518: KDM/KFrontend: Avoid potentially exploitable privilege dropping

2013-11-02 Thread Martin Tobias Holmedahl Sandsmark
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/113518/#review42880 --- looks good to me, but please add Oswald Buddenhagen (ossi) to