On 5/10/05, Neil Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we need to have a steering committee meeting, to discuss our
next move with SDCS. How many people would be willing to attend? Could
you attend either Wednesday or Friday night? Gus has said he's willing
to host it at his house. What
On May 10, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Neil Schneider wrote:
OK, then when do you think they are no longer members? When the SDCS
Board votes to accept their secession? 24 hours later? 1 Month later?
How about when their dues run out?
Even if SDMUG chooses to secede, the individual members are SDCS
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 11:10 am, Lan Barnes wrote:
How about when their dues run out?
Even if SDMUG chooses to secede, the individual members are SDCS
members until their dues run out, like it or not.
Andrew's point is well taken; SDMUG membership's SDCS membership status is
valid until
Wednesday night is okay, so long as I can be out by 8pm. I have a standing
weekly engagement Wednesday nights.
Friday I will likely be unavailable until late; Josh and I are probably
going to be returning from Burbank for a work trip.
Gregory
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 12:46 am, Neil Schneider
Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade said:
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 11:10 am, Lan Barnes wrote:
How about when their dues run out?
Even if SDMUG chooses to secede, the individual members are SDCS
members until their dues run out, like it or not.
Andrew's point is well taken; SDMUG membership's SDCS
begin quoting Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:42:34AM -0700:
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 11:10 am, Lan Barnes wrote:
How about when their dues run out?
Even if SDMUG chooses to secede, the individual members are SDCS
members until their dues run out, like it or not.
begin quoting Neil Schneider as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:53:59AM -0700:
[snip]
Any SDCS meeting for the purpose of board elections will be required
to have a quorum calculated by including the paid membership of
SDMUG. I guestimate this number at 70 members.
I disagree. By voting to
Stewart Stremler said:
begin quoting Neil Schneider as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:53:59AM
-0700:
[snip]
Any SDCS meeting for the purpose of board elections will be
required
to have a quorum calculated by including the paid membership of
SDMUG. I guestimate this number at 70 members.
On 5/10/05, John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lan Barnes wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:50:30PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
It would also make some very angry ex-board members for them to be told
this when SDMUG turns over their assets. If I were being mean and
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 03:17:53PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
Lan Barnes wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:50:30PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
It would also make some very angry ex-board members for them to be told
this when SDMUG turns over their assets. If I were
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 03:23:01PM -0700, john alvarado wrote:
Hi Lan give me a call.
John Alvarado/ Instructor/ IBAEC
Bridging the Digital Divide for a better future.
Imperial Beach Adult Education Center
170 Palm Avenue
Imperial Beach Ca 91932
Voice: 619-628-3108
Fax:
John Alvarado and I just talked land line. I think it's important to get
input from all the remaining SIGs (and even ask under the hood) before
the next board meeting.
Do others agree? How can we do that?
--
Lan Barnes[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux Guy, SCM Specialist
begin quoting Lan Barnes as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:21:50PM -0700:
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 12:14:47PM -0700, Stewart Stremler wrote:
Has SDMUG officially been dissolved?
I think he meant severed from SDCS.
Yes, in the dissolve-and-reform metaphor.
I find it much easier to think of
begin quoting Lan Barnes as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 04:03:56PM -0700:
John Alvarado and I just talked land line. I think it's important to get
input from all the remaining SIGs (and even ask under the hood) before
the next board meeting.
Do others agree? How can we do that?
If it turns in
begin quoting John H. Robinson, IV as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:50:30PM -0700:
[snip]
Now, if elections are postponed until after the SDMUG separation, then
things get interesting. As Neil pointed out, board members must remain
members of a SDCS. There are a few ways to be an SDCS member. One
begin quoting Lan Barnes as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 04:18:01PM -0700:
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 04:12:48PM -0700, Stewart Stremler wrote:
[snip]
When you start having meetings-that-aren't-meetings, perhaps it's wise
to first consult with a landshark?
Fair enough. But it will have a bad odor
begin quoting Gus Wirth as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:32:34PM -0700:
[snip]
So? Bring the kids. I have a large fenced backyard. As long as they're not
going to pick up rocks and throw them through my windows, there is little
damage that they can do. The cactus can defend itself.
Directions?
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 11:39 am, Neil Schneider wrote:
According the
the new rules that SDMUG wrote, you can't be a member of SDCS without
being a member of one of the SDCS SIGs.
Ah, I hadn't gotten to this in my reading yet. This is an interesting
point. So, SDMUG member's eligibility to
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 02:50 pm, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
That said, as soon as SDMUG goes away, all members of the Board that
were in SDMUG and only SDMUG are no longer eligible to hold Board seats.
That could leave a very empty Board.
I think that this would be exactly the wrong way to
John H. Robinson, IV said:
Neil Schneider wrote:
[A bunch of stuff about the separation of SDMUG from SDCS that I
snipped.]
The basic questions are:
1) Has SDMUG been officially separated?
2) If yes, are SDMUG members still SDCS members?
I expect this will take place at the Board Meeting
Uhm.
I think a lot of people are getting a little too worked up here.
SDMUG is going to leave. SDCS had general elections in April's SDMUG
meeting (you know, when Lan and Carl were put on the board.)
We should attend the next SDCS board meeting at a minimum to:
1) observe how the notice of
Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade said:
Uhm.
I think a lot of people are getting a little too worked up here.
SDMUG is going to leave. SDCS had general elections in April's SDMUG
meeting (you know, when Lan and Carl were put on the board.)
We should attend the next SDCS board meeting at a minimum to:
John H. Robinson, IV said:
It is one thing to leave on your own account. It is another thing to
be
chased out by your own ill-thought out rules. To do such a think would
be to ensure very bad blood between SDCS(KPLUG) and SDMUG. Probably
not
what we want.
I for one don't really care. They
Neil Schneider wrote:
John H. Robinson, IV said:
The SIG Guidelines are ambiguous as to when the separation is
official.
Also true.
There is in paragraph 3) stipulations that the SIG must turn over all
assets to the SDCS within 30 days. It does not say that that is when
the SIG
Stewart Stremler said:
begin quoting John H. Robinson, IV as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at
02:50:30PM -0700:
[snip]
Now, if elections are postponed until after the SDMUG separation,
then
things get interesting. As Neil pointed out, board members must
remain
members of a SDCS. There are a few
On May 10, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Neil Schneider wrote:
SDMUG. Then SDMUG stopped publishing their magazine, because the
member who was producing it quit. Suddenly SDMUG's treasury ballooned,
since they were no longer spending large sums to produce a slick
covered MAC magazine. By rights, they should
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 06:26:19PM -0700, Joshua Penix wrote:
Let them go now. They want to go, let's make it easy for them and
easy on us. This transition can be smooth, or it can be rocky.
Let's see what we can do to make it smooth. I assume the first step
is the meeting at Gus'
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 05:36:21PM -0700, Neil Schneider wrote:
I have been in phone contact with all the SIG leaders except John
Alvarado and the president of UCHUG. I excpect to speak with Greg
Skalka from UCHUG later this evening, when he gets home. They are
aware of the situation.
Thank
begin quoting Neil Schneider as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 06:10:18PM -0700:
Stewart Stremler said:
begin quoting John H. Robinson, IV as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at
02:50:30PM -0700:
[snip]
Now, if elections are postponed until after the SDMUG separation,
then
things get interesting. As
begin quoting Lan Barnes as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 06:46:55PM -0700:
[snip]
I (with my kids) will make every effort to be at Gus's tomorrow evening.
I know we have a lot to do during this exceptional period. But I'm
really hoping when it settles down we can get this operation on a benign
Joshua Penix said:
On May 10, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Neil Schneider wrote:
SDMUG. Then SDMUG stopped publishing their magazine, because the
member who was producing it quit. Suddenly SDMUG's treasury
ballooned,
since they were no longer spending large sums to produce a slick
covered MAC
Stewart Stremler said:
SDMUG was given special dispensation,
allowing them to pay only $6 per member, from the $30 they
collected,
to SDCS. This was by a special amendment to the SDCS bylaws. SDMUG
was
allowed to use the remaining $24 per member to publish their MAC
magazine. SDCS had
begin quoting Neil Schneider as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 08:10:02PM -0700:
I spent about a half hour on the phone with Greg, the president of
UCHUG. It seems there is a lot of animosity among their membership
toward SDCS. They don't trust the board as now composed, they are
Can't blame 'em.
Stewart Stremler said:
begin quoting Neil Schneider as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 08:10:02PM
-0700:
I spent about a half hour on the phone with Greg, the president of
UCHUG. It seems there is a lot of animosity among their membership
toward SDCS. They don't trust the board as now composed,
Carl Lowenstein said:
On 5/10/05, Stewart Stremler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
begin quoting Gus Wirth as of Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:32:34PM
-0700:
[snip]
So? Bring the kids. I have a large fenced backyard. As long as
they're not
going to pick up rocks and throw them through my windows,
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