Thank you Bev. Praise indeed from someone like yourself.
Self-publishing is now possibly the only way to go for the majority of lace
authors; publishers need a much greater volume of sales in the current
climate. At the moment Iâm encouraging another lace author to self-publish
her out of
Copyright law is different in the US versus Britain, and I don't know
anything about British copyright law.
Is it the case that Miss Channer went through the formal process of
copyrighting the design of the mat? If so at what date?
Devon
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It is the act of publishing that causes written work to be copyrighted and for
craft it is the exhibition or selling of the work that copyrights this. From
the research that I have seen this is the same for all legal systems based on
the UK or European systems or which have origins in the UK
It is undoubtedly the case that the heirs of Mrs. Channer own copyright to
the photo in the book published in 1928. However, there appear to be some
photo copies of patterns/prickings which are in the hands of Diana Trevor
that do not have Miss Channer's name or mark on them and don't appear
Devon wrote:
Copyright law is different in the US versus Britain, and I don't know
anything about British copyright law.
Is it the case that Miss Channer went through the formal process of
copyrighting the design of the mat? If so at what date?
In the UK there is no formal process of
Just looked at the Copyright Law page again and it states that:
For literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works70 years from the end of the
calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.If
the
author is unknown, copyright will last for 70 years from end of the
calendar
Hello everyone
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Jean Nathan jean...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Use for educational purposes is allowed (but
I don't think saying you are using it to learn Floral Bucks would count as
educational!)
But why not? Sounds reasonable.
In all this, has there ever
Bev, I don't think claiming learning to make Floral Bucks would be believed -
it's hardly something you'd learn on. And I don't think for self-satisfaction
would count as educational either.
There might not have been a lawsuit regarding the mat, but didn't someone say
that action had been taken
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the skill of the defense!
I should say that the mat doesn't appeal to me at all. If ever a copy of
this pattern falls into my hands, I'm giving it away to the first taker ;)
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Jean Nathan jean...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Bev, I don't
This is the response I had from the publisher that took over Ruth Bean's
works. Perhaps someone can get in touch with them and explain where the
Matt comes from.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Ken Hathaway kenhatha...@crowood.com
Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:12 PM
Subject: Fw:
This is the response I had from the publisher that took over Ruth Bean's
works. Perhaps someone can get in touch with them and explain where the
Matt comes from.
It was published as a separate supplement to:
In the cause of English lace: the life and work of Catherine C. Channer
1874-1949 -
Doris Southard Lace Guild is pleased to announce that we will be co-hosting
the 2015 IOLI Convention. The headquarters hotel will be the Marriott
Coralville Hotel Convention Center just off of Interstate 80 in Coralville,
Iowa.
PLEASE NOTE that the convention will be one day later in the week
If the copy shows significant origins in the original work it can be considered
to either be an infringement (as in but I didn't uses pricking, I just copied
it from the photograph) or an heir, within copyright as in when we might take
a pricking and change the ground and other elements but
For Alex other lace authors, may I cast my vote for spiral bound editions? A
growing number of embroidery, beading quilting books are being printed in
that format it is much appreciated by those of us who use them. A good
example would be the A to Z books by Country Bumpkin. Books lie
I enthusiastically agree with this! No breaking spines while trying to
photocopy prickings!
Clay
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On Jan 7, 2014, at 4:52 PM, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:
For Alex other lace authors, may I cast my vote for spiral bound editions?
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I certainly agree that Spiral is a great way to go, but unfortunately my
digital printer does not offer that option. Perfect binding is the only
binding they offer, as a way to keep costs down.
I’m working on a pattern book, so if you can suggest a printer please let me
know.
E. Kurella
On
I second this thought. I wish all books would lay flat without having to hold
them open by whatever means. Some books won't stay open no matter what you use
to prop them open, except to turn them upside down, which is a nuisance when
you are trying to follow instructions that need both hands.
Susan said For Alex other lace authors, may I cast my vote for spiral bound
editions? . Books lie flat do not need to be propped open--very
handy when one is trying to follow the instructions!
But I understand that suppliers and librarians aren't so keen on then as they
get bent out
Do we really have any idea who the rights holder is to the original
pattern? Did Miss Channer do the work for hire for a school, in which case
they
or their successors own the copyright. Or did she leave her estate including
copyrights to her children, or other family members, since she is
That's a surprise as, here in the States (where I know you live) even
OfficeMax, Staples, Kinkos etc offer spiral binding.
Two of the difficulties with spiral binding are
1 no spine, so you have to pull them off the shelf to identify which book
you want, and
2 the plastic covers can rip off
Many thanks to so many people for the excellent advice you have given me. I
have forwarded the information given to my friend, who is thrilled that you
would all offer so many comments so quickly - and from countries all round
the world too
Sue
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For Elizabeth, Alex or anyone else planning to self publish--I would most
certainly help you if I knew anyone who provided a spiral-bound POD service!
My first idea would be to contact the folks at Country Bumpkin--they run a
quality operation-- they might be inclined to refer you. My A to Z
May I add, the A to Z books have changed over the years from basic spiral bound
to spiral bound with a spine cover. This is a much more robust format may
solve the issues that Jacquie has identified. From the Country Bumpkin website
describing their book on Beading:
Semi-hardcover,
Dear All,
If I were advising someone who came to me to find out if she should risk
using an illegal pricking for Miss Channer's mat, I would go through the
usual explanation of the law, which, I must admit, I do not know, since my
area of expertise is in criminal defense and family law. I
From Ancestry.co.uk
The National Probate Calendar (index of Wills and Administrations) 1858-1966
has:
CHANNER, Catherine Campbell of Flat 1, Green-lane Clapham Bedfordshire spinster
died 10 March 1949 at the County Hospital Bedford. Probate [granted at]
Birmingham 29 July to Herbert Nathaniel
Make that 2019...
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On Jan 7, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com
wrote:
Birmingham
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I like the idea for a spiral bound book because it does lay flat but I also
do not like
them because they do not sit on a self very well and tend to
scrap against other books
when put on a shelf.They do not also slide as well
on a shelf so I would rather not have
an book that is spiral bound.
Thank you very much Lynn, for your thorough and professional review of the
subject. I think that our tri-, quatra-, ses-...-tenail discussion of this
mat has been exhaustive, as usual, and hope it can be put to rest. As Devon
has expressed, I find this piece to be less than thrilling, at any
The 'Color Works' book by Interweave press is a nice combination - spiral
bound inside a hard cover. I can't find a site showing that though
Sue
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Hi All,
I have a plastic magazine holder from the Stationery shop to hold a number of
spiral bound, self published lace books from Aussie authors and find that is
neat and effective.
Mary Carey
Campbelltown, NSW, Australia
I like the idea for a spiral bound book because it does lay flat but
This is where it gets tricky. The original mat design would be copyrighted
until 70 after death however, because the Ruth Bean in has been published the
copyright on the original is mute because the two are extremely similar anyone
making a copy from Miss Channer's original design without her
I am currently looking at reprinting my little book of lace poetry,
Inspired by Lace in A5 format, with a clear plastic front, stiff cardboard
back, and spiral bound in wire, not plastic. I've written quite a few new
poems since I had the original little booklet printed. I can have them
done in
I have been following this dicussion about the infamous mat and have come to
the conclusion that Miss Channer's mat is like Everest - it is there so it
has to be made,come what may!!
Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa.
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