[lace] re: Lace eye candy

[Susan Vossier]

Janice, I've seen this salt crystal lace several years running - but I'm
going to a lace day in Vauvert, where they did it, at the end of October,
I'll ask for more info!

i think it was probably only tried once, as an experiment, but will let you
know all the details I manage to glean...

I'd forgotten about net petticoats and sugar; that's some years back!

Sue from Montélimar

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[lace] Lace eye candy

[Susan]

Thank you Sue for the explanation!  Very artsy & it surely shakes up the 
concept of "what is lace?".  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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Re: [lace] Lace eye candy, salt water, wet cleaning unique laces, conservation, long answer

[Ilske Thomsen]

In the interview I had with Mme Bonniol, via internet, about her salt.lace I 
don’t ask how to clean or if she make pieces to wear in such way. Why all works 
I saw were pieces for „decorate“ not to wear. And that one couldn’t clean such 
works it’s clear looking at them. In my opinion these are works made for now 
not for eternity as lots of todays art works are. This is art not for use like 
a collar and so we must think about in an other way.
The only possibility to conserve them would be a showcase.
About the jewelry or bookmarks or pieces for decoration all of them must be 
starched to keep dust and such things away. You can’t clean them. Have a look 
at some of my works shown on Lorelei’s website than you understand whyLace 
works make for hanging on a wall are well protected in a frame but it needs 
also some caution to do so. This would be a longer writing to explain.

> In brief, this is done only to new laces by an artist whose first
> consideration is to make something that is not normal.  
That’s right.
> Is the  artist using
> materials other than linen, cotton, silk and wool?
Yes, she does but no clothes, as far as I know. 

> Does this French lace maker sell items to be worn? 
And it wouldn’t be possible such a piece is more thick than lace we are used. 
And the surface isn’t smooth.

> She gave me a small bobbin lace flower she made with colored  metallic
> threads, all of which appear to be  synthetics.  Very precious to me.  Ilske
Jeri, this piece too is starched you don’t need clean it if you use it 
regularly.
Hope my explanation are helpful. If there are more questions don’t hesitate to 
ask me. 

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lace eye candy

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ilske and everyone

Thank you for the clarification, Ilske! The effect really is remarkable.
When someone thinks "outside the (lace) box" in this way, it is a pleasure
for the rest of us :)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 4:40 AM, Ilske Thomsen 
wrote:

> M. Th. Bonniol doesn’t „bath“ old lace in salt water. She creates
laces,
> with „big holes“ and let it lay in the salt water on the place she lives
a
> part of the Mediterranean Sea. The salt form crystals in the gaps of the
> lace. Astonishingly those crystals stay on the lace.
> These are really remarkable works.
>
--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Lace eye candy, salt water, wet cleaning unique laces, conservation

[Brenda Paternoster]

>
>   Some of you know that many 20th C.
> sequins were made of  gelatin.  They, also, melt away in liquids.  This
> means:   if you buy vintage sequins, test them in water before attaching to
> lace.


Gelatine sequins will dissolve in perspiration!   I have heard a sorry tale
about a dress with a lot of gelatine sequins attached, the wearer got hot, and
the sleeves and bodice of the dress stuck to each other!

Brenda in Allhallows
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[lace] Lace eye candy, salt water, wet cleaning unique laces, conservation

[Jeriames]

Thank you for the salt-infused lace explanation, Ilske.

In brief, this is done only to new laces by an artist whose first
consideration is to make something that is not normal.  Is the  artist using
materials other than linen, cotton, silk and wool?  How  will this lace be
cleaned
in the future, or is it only for display in  the short term?

For those of you committed to the use of traditional threads   If you
want it to be possible for your heirs to see and hold what  you made - please
recognize the difference.  Consider the problems museum  conservators and
restorers of laces face every day when they try to prevent  deterioration and
prepare laces for exhibition.  Anything like salt  crystals on lace would
need to be stored in a completely different  storage area/container than
customary lace storage in a museum.   This lace must not be exposed to
liquids!
This is not a totally  unique problem.  Some of you know that many 20th C.
sequins were made of  gelatin.  They, also, melt away in liquids.  This
means:   if you buy vintage sequins, test them in water before attaching to
lace.

Does this French lace maker sell items to be worn?  If  so, wearers would
have to avoid damp and rain - just as was  done when heavily-starched
standing lace collars were worn in the  Renaissance period.  Does she give
wearing
and care instructions with  each piece she makes??

Readers: please understand this is an *intellectual discussion*, and  not
me picking on Ilske.  Ilske and I are friends who look for each other  at
each OIDFA Congress.  We met through Arachne in 2003.   This Summer Ilske and
I
spent quite a bit of time with each other in Slovenia.

She gave me a small bobbin lace flower she made with colored  metallic
threads, all of which appear to be  synthetics.  Very precious to me.  Ilske
knows not to use  glue.  There is a small gem *sewn* to the center, and the
pin
on  back is sewn in place.  If if it ever needed wet cleaning, I  would
wash it in the traditional manner I have taught all of you - a  shallow pan of
distilled water.  If it needed a "boost" I would use ORVUS,  because it is
the gentlest soap in my studio.  The flower  is shaped in 2 layers.  To dry,
I would gently shake  the flower, dry the metal pin as much as possible with
a soft cloth,  then shape the lace petals and lay the flower on the clean
counter in  my kitchen to dry.  It is very lacy, so it would not take long.

Some of us have very old laces in our private collections, and some  have
very new laces made by friends.
Many of you participate in the bookmark or holiday ornament lace exchanges
sponsored by Arachne.  If you have small items like the bookmarks,  they
may get soiled while in use.  You treasure the friendships you  have made
during these swaps, and I hope you will be able to wet clean them  using the
advice given on Arachne.

If you have young people in your home, may I suggest  you invite them help
you wet clean lace?  In the current period  of history, they usually only
understand using washing machines and  dryers to clean textiles.  You probably
have taught them how to cook  enough to prevent starvation. This is just an
extension of your good  intentions for the lace you own and something that
the young  people will remember years from now.  If they go on to use  or
wear laces you made, they will be more careful about exposing inherited  laces
to dangerous conditions.

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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In a message dated 9/17/2016 7:41:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ilske.l.thom...@t-online.de writes:

M. Th.  Bonniol doesn’t "bath“ old lace in salt water. She creates laces,
with "big  holes“ and let it lay in the salt water on the place she lives a
part of the  Mediterranean Sea. The salt forms crystals in the gaps of the
lace.  Astonishingly those crystals stay on the lace.  These are really
remarkable works.
Those being able to read German could find an article I  wrote about her
and her salt-lace about two years ago.  Ilske in  Hamburg

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Re: [lace] Lace eye candy

[Ilske Thomsen]

M. Th. Bonniol doesn’t „bath“ old lace in salt water. She creates laces, with 
„big holes“ and let it lay in the salt water on the place she lives a part of 
the Mediterranean Sea. The salt form crystals in the gaps of the lace. 
Astonishingly those crystals stay on the lace.
These are really remarkable works.
Those being able to read German could find an article I wrote about her and her 
salt-lace about two years ago.

Ilske in again very hot Hamburg

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Re: [lace] Lace eye candy

[Jeriames]

Why should any lace be bathed in salt water?  Have  professional
conservators and restorers approved this "treatment"?

This is a simple reminder that I "preach" to be very careful about
exposing your precious laces to chemicals and minerals in water drawn  from
private
wells and public water supplies.  Please remember the  free conservation
and restoration advice given to you on Arachne for  20-plus years, which came
from training seminars at some of America's  foremost museums.  Very few
special textile sites have someone who has  learned from the best textile
experts, and have a stack of books on the subject  available for
consultation.

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center



In a message dated 9/16/2016 2:12:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
susan.voss...@gmail.com writes:

Hi  Susan,

The lace is made normally then immersed in sea water at the  local salt
works.  It was Marie-Thérèse Bonniol who first thought up  the technique -
Denise, of the site you mention, learnt it from her - and  you can see the
various stages here: http://artetdentelle.free.fr and go to  Dentelles
cristallisées dans le sel.  The rest of her work is worth  looking at too -
I love her creations!

Sue from  Montélimar

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[lace] Re: Lace eye candy

[Susan Vossier]

Hi Susan,

The lace is made normally then immersed in sea water at the local salt
works.  It was Marie-Thérèse Bonniol who first thought up the technique -
Denise, of the site you mention, learnt it from her - and you can see the
various stages here: http://artetdentelle.free.fr and go to Dentelles
cristallisées dans le sel.  The rest of her work is worth looking at too -
I love her creations!

Sue from Montélimar

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[lace] Lace eye candy

[Susan]

Hello All!  While browsing the embroidery pages at mamiloucreations.com, I 
stumbled upon a link to 
zebulons.e-monsite.com.  There are some interesting bobbins as well as pictures 
of lace labeled "sel".  My fading language skills didn't help so I'm not sure 
whether the lace is actually made with salt crystals or with faceted seed/bugle 
beads.  Way cool.  I had not seen this site before so hope this is not a rerun. 
 Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA

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[lace] Eye Candy

[Brenda Paternoster]

Lots of interesting pictures of vintage fashions. haberdashery and quite a bit
of lace too.
http://thetailorsdesire.tumblr.com/ 

Brenda in Allhallows
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www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] eye candy

[Bridget Marrow]

Have a look at:
http://www.kerrytaylorauctions.com
go to current auction - the lace begins at lot 184.
There's an interesting selection, though the standard of photography is not 
really good enough for lace details.


Bridget, in Watford, England.

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[lace] Some great antique lace eye candy on eBay

[Patricia Dowden]

http://tinyurl.com/rayaf





I was surprised that the predicted prices are so relatively low.  We'll
see when the sales occur, I guess.

Beautiful Brussels lace and other wonders.



Patty

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[lace] Eye Candy in Wales

[Patty Dowden]

Hi Spiders,

While meandering around the internet, I put Flemish Lace in Google for an 
image search.  Well, look what I found.
There is a remarkable site celebrating the history and culture of Wales 
called the Gathering of Jewels. It includes about 25 pieces of knock your 
socks off antique laces in to die for detailed pictures.  Not only 
are  there larger size pictures, but there is also a zoom feature 
separately where you can look at the threads to your heart's content. Go see.


http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/subjects/4773

Patty

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Re: [lace] Eye Candy in Wales

[Jean Barrett]

Patty and All,
This is certainly a wonderful archive, thanks for sharing. What a  
pity that such a worthwhile project has received such little  
publicity, until now!

Jean in Cleveland U.K.
On 9 Nov 2005, at 11:00, Patty Dowden wrote:


Hi Spiders,

While meandering around the internet, I put Flemish Lace in Google  
for an image search.  Well, look what I found.
There is a remarkable site celebrating the history and culture of  
Wales called the Gathering of Jewels. It includes about 25 pieces  
of knock your socks off antique laces in to die for detailed  
pictures.  Not only are  there larger size pictures, but there is  
also a zoom feature separately where you can look at the threads to  
your heart's content. Go see.


http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/subjects/4773

Patty

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Re: [lace] Eye candy for lace knitters

[debbie]

A few days late with a reply, but I'd like to thank Brenda for showing us 
these sites.  A lot of beautiful pieces there.  One in particular caught my 
eye.


On the first page of the Michael Kaprelian site there is a hexagonal shaped 
doily that I'd like to get the pattern for (5th from the bottom.)  I did a 
search and came up with this: 
http://melody.virelai.net/blog/c/archives/2005/07/07T152313 I was wondering 
if anyone here has the publication referred to and can tell me if the 
pattern is in there and possibly any contact info so I can try to find out 
if it's available.


I could write to Michael, but there is no email address on his site, only a 
guest book.  I will use that if I need to.


BTW, as to my interest in that particular doily, I collect hexagonal shaped 
items.  Buttons, beads, small(trinket) boxes, etc.


Thanks,

Debbie


At 09:26 PM 08/28/2005 +0100, Brenda Paternoster wrote:

Deaar Spiders
I've recently learned of two websites with images of knitted lace:

Michael Kaprelian
http://www.angelfire.com/on2/fwlaceknitter/

Melanie Ellingson
http://www.imageevent.com/melaniee

Brenda
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/


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[lace] Eye candy for lace knitters

[Brenda Paternoster]

Deaar Spiders
I've recently learned of two websites with images of knitted lace:

Michael Kaprelian
http://www.angelfire.com/on2/fwlaceknitter/

Melanie Ellingson
http://www.imageevent.com/melaniee

Brenda
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

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[lace] eye candy - antique clothes

[Alice Howell]

If you like to browse antique clothes -- many with lace on them -- take a 
look at this webpage:  http://www.bobbydene.com/

Have fun,
Alice in Oregon
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[lace] Eye Candy

A friend of mine sent me the following link of a very lovely ball gown ... for sale 
too ...

http://www.vintagetextile.com/newpage61.htm

Beth McCasland
Metairie, Louisiana, USA
where it's warm and muggy

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[lace] eye candy

[Lorelei Halley]

Kate and Carolina
Thanks for the links to great pictures!
Lorelei

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