Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

[N.A. Neff]

Dear Adele,

Check the thread with a high-powered loupe -- you should be able to
see 'nodes' in the fibers if it's linen (which would be very exciting
given how fine it is).
https://lenoklinen.com/blog/linen-fibers-miscroscoping

Also, the following blog post gives some other methods for
distinguishing linen from cotton:
https://mytextilenotes.blogspot.com/2010/02/distinguishing-linen-from-cotton.html#:~:text=Linen

HTH.
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

[ashaak]

Update on the thread -

Interesting - the slips are not as I expected. I thought the entire parcel
would be one long length of thread, with all the slips joined to one another,
but - no. Each slip is fastened off, separate from the others, so you can just
extract one slip at a time from the system.

I unpicked the one remaining pink thread, and the red thread, took out one
slip, and tied everything back up again. I happen to have some sherry glasses
that have a stem about ¾ inch (2 cm) wide, and I got one of those and reeled
the thread from the slip onto it. The 90 yards took me about 90 minutes, but
it wasn’t difficult; the thread had some extra twists and tended to wind
back on itself, but those tangles undid themselves mostly without any problem.
There are 3 places where I got a small knot I couldn’t get out, but that’s
not bad for 90 yards.

The thread seems quite strong and in good condition; I thought I might have
breakage, but I didn’t. I broke a piece off; it didn’t seem any easier to
break than new thread. I hope that bodes well for when I’m making lace with
it.

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Re[2]: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

[Sue Babbs]

I'd love to see photos of this thread on our Flickr account!  Let me
know if you need the login.

I wonder if it would be good to put the thread in a shower room /  in a
container under a damp cloth  to add humidity to it.  I know that makes
a different when cotton threads on the pillow become dry

Sue
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Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

[ashaak]

Thank you so much, Jean, Sue (and Brenda & Clay through the archives) -

My little 6” parcel didn’t seem to have any red threads, or any indication
of having been tied at all, but the picture of your parcel that you so kindly
sent, Jean, looked a lot like my parcel in every other respect, including the
pink threads. Thank you for sending the picture - it gave me the confidence to
proceed.

I plucked up my courage and snipped the two circles of pink thread, and
unfolded the skein. There were more folds than I thought; what I unveiled was
just over 18 inches long, so each time the thread went around would measure 1
yard.

More importantly, tucked away in the middle was what I hadn’t even suspected
was there - a third pink thread, going around the skein, plus the red thread
dividing the parcel into slips. My parcel has 13 slips, but the red thread has
extra length on it, and indications that it was untied and retied, and one
slip has been removed. So it was the finest, 14-slip thread.

I separated one slip and put it under a magnifier to count the threads - the
slip has 90 threads, so 90 yards (plus maybe an extra half-yard) in each slip.
Doing the math, the entire parcel of 13 slips has 1,170 yards, and it weighs
about 6 grams (on a non-electronic old-fashioned kitchen scale, so not
tremendously to be trusted).

I am definitely going to have to use this thread for something. I don’t know
what yet, but, obviously, a very fine lace!

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Re[2]: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

[Sue Babbs]

I looked in the archives for "slip" and came up with these  messages
from Brenda Paternoster:

[lace] Slip threads
Brenda Paternoster Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:18:22 -0800

Dear Spiders

I have recently acquired some old slip threads - thank you Lynne - and
my quandry is whether or not I should break the packaging in order to
measure the threads.

Slip thread, is gassed cotton in skeins as traditionally used by
lacemakers in England. According to Thomas Wright, 'Romance of the Lace
Pillow' the thread came in 2 ounce packets; each packet containing 4
parcels and each parcel divided into several slips - (hence the name
slip-thread). The slips are separated from each other by a red thread
twisted between each slip. I *think* that the slips are joined together,
ie one long length of thread.

What I have is two packets plus one parcel of 12-slip, two packets plus
one parcel of 10 slip and one parcel of 6-slip, plus a couple of
individual slips that I don't know the size of - once a parcel has been
opened and the red thread cut the "size" information is destroyed!!

When I weighed the four parcels they only weighed 4 ounces - I think
that could be an error by Thomas Wright (I know his book is not now
considered 100% accurate), and I think the thread was manufactured by E
Peat, Son & Co of Nottingham as there's a blue paper wrapper bearing
their label in the bag that the threads came in. Wolter-Kampmann's book
(German edition page 26) shows a parcel, a packet, a wrapped packet and
a larger wrapped packet (2 ounce) of this thread.

My question is; should I break the wrapping threads to measure the
thread or should I keep it intact?

Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html



Re: [lace] thread on eBay
Brenda Paternoster Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:17:57 -0700

Hello Clay

Today some thread sold on eBay, and it raised a couple of questions that
I thought you might be able to answer. The thread was described as "12
slip 230 , so very, very fine".

The first question is, what does this term (12 slip 230)mean? Is it
related to the old "band" descriptor, as in "12 band"?
I've not heard the expression 12 band before - is that an American term?
Probably does mean the same as slip.

12 slip means that there are (were originally) 12 little skeins joined
together as a continuous length in one 'parcel'. Each 'slip' is
separated from the others by a coloured thread inserted between the
slips in a multiple figure of eight. The more slips in the parcel the
finer the thread - I think 14 or 15 was the finest and about 3 or 4 the
"thickest".

To quote from Miss Channer's little book (revised 1972) "For point
ground a fine cotton thread was used. The most usual size was known as
10 slip. The skein was divided up by red cotton into the number denoting
the size, eg 6 slip was divided into 6 groups, 10 slip into 10 and so
on. A 200 linen thread would be the equivalent to a 10 slip cotton but
unfortunately neither is being manufactured at the present time. DMC
thread No 80, although highly mercerised, seems to be a good
substitute."

The 12 slip would be finer than that. I *think* 230 means cotton count
230 - so very much finer than anything currently available (and horribly
fine to try and do a wrapping!!).


The second question is that there were what appeared to be four hanks of
thread in the lot, and each hank was in a small sealed plastic bag,
where it had been placed by the Honiton Lace Show "many years ago",
since that is when the seller says she bought them. So the question is,
do you think that the plastic was harmful to the thread over time,
especially considering how fine it is said to be?
I was at a lace day on Saturday; Tim Parker was speaking about threads
and he recommended storing lace threads in polythene bags. Certainly
light, acid and atmospheric pollution will cause more damage than
polythene, but I'm not expert on that. Jeri, do you have any comments
about storage in plastic?

Brenda
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Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

[Jean Leader]

Hi Adele,

I think it’s probably very fine cotton. In the Romance of the Lace Pillow by
Thomas Wright (1971 reprint from Paul Minet) on p.123 it says
“Many workers  use ordinary Lace Thread (which is, of course, cotton),
sometimes called Gassed Thread, from the fact that it is drawn at a slow but
regular pace through a flame of gas in order to deprive it of all film. A two
ounce packet contains four “parcels,” and each parcel a specified number
of “slips”. In the case of the extremely fine “14 slip thread” there
are fourteen slips, in the case of the “12 slip thread” 12 slips, and so
on down to “3 slip,” which is the coarsest in use.”

Somewhere else that I can’t find right now, I’m sure I’ve read that
these “parcels" were tied with pink thread. I’m sending you a photo of
what I think mayt be one of these parcels that I have - it is about 15cm (6in)
long tied with pink string top and bottom and has 14 divisions separated by
the darker pink thread. It only weighs about an eighth of an ounce on my
kitchen scales which may not be very accurate for small amounts. I have other
skeins of thread like this but haven’t had much success when I’ve tried to
unwind them - I suspect the thread isn’t as strong as it would have been
when new. I’ll send you a photo of the thread separately.

Jean


> On 25 Feb 2022, at 19:43, Adele Shaak  wrote:
>
> Hi, Everybody:
>
> I just got a skein of old linen thread that’s not like anything I’ve
ever
> seen before, here in Canada, but I think maybe some of the Europeans on
this
> list might be familiar with what I have and be able to help me.
>
> It’s a single skein, not marked or labelled, and it is very fine - maybe
> equivalent to 180 gassed Egyptian cotton in size - and I think it is linen
> from the feel of it. It is about 15cm (6in) long right now, but it has been
> folded, and about 1.5cm in from each end it is secured with a circle of
pink
> thread. One end is a single fold of the entire skein and the other is two
> folded ends held together.
>
> I think - but I haven’t opened it so I am not sure - that what it is, is
a
> skein of thread about 60 cm around, that has been flatted and folded in
half
> and secured at each end. The thread is so very fine, and has that slight
> wiriness I associate with linen, that I am worried that if I just start
> mucking about with it, in my ignorance I will tangle it beyond saving.
>
> I suppose that if I knew what I was doing, I would cut the pink ties, open
up
> the skein … and then what? How would this be handled? Is there a method?
I
> want to be able to wind it onto bobbins but I’m not sure how to do it.
>
> Any advice on what I should do now?
>
> Adele
> Vancouver, BC
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[lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

[Adele Shaak]

Hi, Everybody:

I just got a skein of old linen thread that’s not like anything I’ve ever
seen before, here in Canada, but I think maybe some of the Europeans on this
list might be familiar with what I have and be able to help me.

It’s a single skein, not marked or labelled, and it is very fine - maybe
equivalent to 180 gassed Egyptian cotton in size - and I think it is linen
from the feel of it. It is about 15cm (6in) long right now, but it has been
folded, and about 1.5cm in from each end it is secured with a circle of pink
thread. One end is a single fold of the entire skein and the other is two
folded ends held together.

I think - but I haven’t opened it so I am not sure - that what it is, is a
skein of thread about 60 cm around, that has been flatted and folded in half
and secured at each end. The thread is so very fine, and has that slight
wiriness I associate with linen, that I am worried that if I just start
mucking about with it, in my ignorance I will tangle it beyond saving.

I suppose that if I knew what I was doing, I would cut the pink ties, open up
the skein … and then what? How would this be handled? Is there a method? I
want to be able to wind it onto bobbins but I’m not sure how to do it.

Any advice on what I should do now?

Adele
Vancouver, BC

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[lace] Help with a list of laces that came with the initial migration to England... Please

[Brian Lemin]

As you know I am ignorant about lace!!  However I am trying to identify 
the style of bobbins the  two waves of immigration of lace makers  may 
well have brought to England.

We know that the main arrivals were Flemish Protestants and they arrived 
around 1572 (St Bartholomew Massacre and again about 20 years later 
during another purge of protestants (Not sure of the dates)  Whilst the 
vast majority of migrants came from Flanders we are also under the 
impression that they came for other places in France also (I read of 
Paris being one of them)

Assuming that they made various types of lace, I believe they would have 
brought a variety of bobbin styles with them as it appears they used 
used different bobbins for different style of lace (?)

Now I full admit to you all that I am swimming in treacle regarding the 
lists below that I have culled from Bullocks, Lace and Lace Making and 
Lams, Kant wereldwijd.  (for a start I do not know a word of Dutch.)  
I.e. books on my "bobbin history" shelf.


I have many questions about this list so may I start by asking:

1 Is there a list of the types of laces that the migrants did bring with 
them at that time? (Like complied by a person who knows what they are 
talking about instead of me!!!)

2 Would someone please Anglicise the list for me please?

3 Does the list contain Modern laces I.e. post say 1700.  (I use that 
longish date as there is a great deal of evidence that the lace dealers 
of England had quite a lot  of contact with the continental dealers over 
many many years.)  if so would some kind person point them out to me please?


I am sure that I will have more questions to ask but this will do for 
starters remembering that though I do have to mention the lace, I will 
be writing about the bobbins as the main topic.


OK Here is the list, please remember I am simple soul when it comes to 
lace!!!  I would like to just end up with a  reasonable list that only 
the  academic big wigs will challenge me about!! smile  (I do appreciate 
your academics, really I do, but this ends up as a bobbin article and I 
am happy to be challenged on them! but not on lace!))


*Lace (French)*

Alencon

Argenton en Alencon

Arras

Chantilly,

Cluny

Cluny en Dentelle du puy

Lille

Lille en Point de Paris

Valenciennes

**

*Lace*Flemish/Brussels

(English point ?)

Applique

Binche

Brabantse

Brugs

Brussels rose point

Drochel

Duchesse

Florence

Guipure de Binche

Guipuure de Flandres

Lille

Mechelse/Mechelin

Pillow Guipure

Point d’Angleterre a Brides

Point de Brussles

Point de Gaze

Point de Paris

Rocco

Rosaline

Torchon

Trolle

Vlaanderse



Many many thanks, but enjoy your New Year celebrations first

Happy New Year to all my spider friends

-- 
Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country)
Cooranbong. Australia

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[lace] Help for animals - Australian wildfires

[Vicki Bradford]

Dear arachnids,

Please forgive this being not directly lace-related, but since interest has
been expressed as to ways to help, I am sharing this information.

I know that many of us are involved in other fiber-related activities are may
find this of interest.

This was sent to me by a spinning group I attend.
The links are to Facebook sites, but the groups have websites as well. The
Animal Rescue Craft Guild Facebook page has patterns under its “files”
section.


ANIMAL RESCUE CRAFT GUILD

The Australian wildfires are not only hurting humans, but millions of animals
have been killed and injured.  Here's an opportunity for craftspeople to
provide aid to the injured wildlife through donations of sewn, knitted, or
crocheted items like joey pouches, and bat wraps, as well as supplies, and
money to The Rescue Collective, Animal Rescue Collective (ARC), and Animal
Rescue Craft Guild.  They're all one team, alongside many rescue groups
helping the firezones across 5 states, and 100% volunteer run.  I have emailed
The Rescue Collective, and donated items may be sent directly to them:
The Rescue Collective
Unit 4
55 Tenby Street
Mount Gravatt, Queensland 4122
Australia
























Vicki in Maryland

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[lace] Help with Finding Pricking ,,,

[Carol Adkinson]

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[lace] Help

[Daphne Martin]

Thank-you everyone that has written about me losing my husband. It's really 
appreciated .
He was always in support of everything I have done.
He will be a huge loss to me and the family. My daughter has been very 
supporting over the situation. My granddaughter has now been made my carer ,so 
that will be a big help.
So positive things are happening.
--
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[lace] Help needed update

[Alison Gray]

Hi all

 thank you all for your suggestions about my sewings problem. I have taken
them all on board and am going to buy both a lazy Susan and a bigger
crochet hook and see how I get on.

Alison in sunny Colchester Essex UK

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RE: [lace] Help needed

[Lorelei Halley]

Alison
I don't have a video link for you but I do have diagrams on my website that
show what to do.
http://lynxlace.com/learningbobbinlace-basics.html#sewings 
In this next one, about half way down begins another description of sewings.
And about 90% down the file is a description of false plaits. These are
explained in sequential diagrams.
http://lynxlace.com/learningbobbinlace-tapelacemat.html 

You describe difficulties manipulating the crochet hook. The issue may be
the size of the hook. It has to be large enough to grab the whole thread,
without piercing the thread. But it needs to be small enough to get it
through the loop or hole where the sewing will be made.
Lorelei

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Subject: [lace] Help needed

"Returning to tape lace after a long time I am struggling with the sewings
and false plaits. "
from Alison in Colchester

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[lace] Help needed & tools for sewings

[hottleco]

A needle pin is different than a lazy susan. The needle pin is essentially a 
needle with a handle. The eye of the needle is buried & the point is the 
business end. A lazy susan is a bent needle with a handle & the point is 
buried. Susie Johnson in PA is a leading proponent of needle pins. She teaches 
Withof. If you see her at a lace event you could ask her for a demo. Hope this 
helps. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA

iPhone

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Re: [lace] Help needed

[Marianne Gallant]

Using a needle pin works the same way as using a crochet hook. But 
personally I find it more difficult since there is nothing at the end of 
the needle to catch and hold the thread. A needle pin is usually used 
with very fine threads, since you might damage the fine thread with the 
hook part of the crochet hook, but is seldom used when doing sewings 
with coarser threads.
If you are having difficulty using a fine crochet hook you will find 
using a needle pin even more difficult. It is likely easier to use a 
lazy susan with a thread loop that trying to use a needle pin.

*Marianne*

Marianne Gallant
Vernon, BC Canada
m...@shaw.ca
http://threadsnminis.blogspot.ca, https://www.facebook.com/GallantCreation/

On 2018-08-30 8:46 a.m., J Reardon wrote:
> I watched the video and saw she used a threaded needle in the Lazy Susan. Is 
> that the same as a needle pin? I didn’t think thread was involved with the 
> needle pin, but I’ve never seen one used.

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Re: [lace] Help needed

[J Reardon]

I watched the video and saw she used a threaded needle in the Lazy Susan. Is 
that the same as a needle pin? I didn’t think thread was involved with the 
needle pin, but I’ve never seen one used.

Jean Reardon
Western Pennsylvania 

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F9u6yaxKQw

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Re: [lace] Help needed

[Malvary Cole]

Allison, sorry to hear you have been ill.

Yesterday on Facebook I saw this link to doing sewings both with crochet 
hook and lazy Susan.  I hope this is what you were wanting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F9u6yaxKQw

If the link doesn't work - type into Google - Lou Woo youtube lace sewing

Malvary in Ottawa where it is a little cooler and less humid today (41c 
humidex yesterday)


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Re: [lace] Help needed

[Brenda Paternoster]

If you are struggling to grasp the thread try using a mini latch hook.
Hemline sell them as snag repair tools.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hemline-H248-Miniature-Latch-Repair/dp/B002TYE4GQ


Brenda

> I've lost some of my manual dexterity due to illness and a crochet hook is
> not working. I have what I think is called a needle pin and Bridget cook's
> practical skills in lace book but I am struggling to make it work.

Brenda in Allhallows

paternos...@appleshack.com
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Re: [lace] Help needed

[lynrbailey]

Dear Allison, 2 things.  If you can, take your lace outside to enjoy the 
weather.  
I suggest looking for a crochet hook of close to proper size with a really 
thick handle, perhaps the width of a wine cork.  Also, possibly enlarging the 
pattern and thread to make it all easier to deal with might be useful.  Sadly, 
I do not know of a utube video.

Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, now in Brussels, Belgium.


"My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails."



>Returning to tape lace after a long time I am struggling with the sewings
>and false plaits.
>
>I've lost some of my manual dexterity due to illness and a crochet hook is
>not working. I have what I think is called a needle pin and Bridget cook's
>practical skills in lace book but I am struggling to make it work.
>
>Does anyone know if there is a utube video explaining how to do this?
>
>

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[lace] Help needed

[Alison Gray]

Hi all
Returning to tape lace after a long time I am struggling with the sewings
and false plaits.

I've lost some of my manual dexterity due to illness and a crochet hook is
not working. I have what I think is called a needle pin and Bridget cook's
practical skills in lace book but I am struggling to make it work.

Does anyone know if there is a utube video explaining how to do this?


Thank you  from Alison in Colchester Essex UK
Where it's looking like it's going to be a lovely day

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Re: [lace] Help me remember a movie

[Ilske Thomsen]

Devon,
there exist a film with the title Die Klöpplerin = the lacemaker. It was in 
1980th here in Hamburg everybody spoke about but only in the way „interesting, 
remarkable“. Some times later it was on TV at midnight but I told my husband it 
is a must for me and watched it. The story I remember is two young people, a 
girl and a boy, meet and after a while live together but not married. The girl 
did everything washing, cooking etc. never complaining. The young man studied, 
tried to make career. That was all. No bobbin, no lace no word she would like 
these.
So after about two hours i was sitting in my chair and asking myself why I am 
sitting there in the middle of the night.
Either i wasn’t able to understand the film or I was asleep in the most 
important moments. I don’t know.
No you could laugh about me or not.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Help me remember a movie

[Adele Shaak]

Hi Devon:

Doesn’t ring a bell, but I took a little run through Google:

There was a 1941 film called “A Woman's Face”, that was an American remake of a 
1938 Swedish film with the same name. I’m suggesting it because I think both 
are set in Sweden, so the lacemaking might be a factor. Plus, the disfigured 
woman was also a blackmailer and during the movie tries to murder a young boy 
who stands between her love interest and a fortune, so your memory of the man 
discovering her to be a murderer might also be fit.

In the 1941 film the woman is played by Joan Crawford, and the Swedish one 
starred Ingrid Bergman. The story was based on a French play.

Hope this helps.

Adele

> On May 23, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:
> 
> I am going on a lace retreat and we are planning a movie night. Many,
> many years ago I saw a movie, or part of a movie. It was in black and
> white. It was a B picture, possibly film noir. It was set in the first
> half of the 20th century, I think. There was a woman who made bobbin
> lace on a flat pillow on a stand. (She may have been a sinister
> psychopath murderer, that part I don't remember.) What stands out
> clearly for me was a scene in which it is revealed that face has been
> disfigured and as a result she became a recluse, spending all of her
> time inside making bobbin lace so that she wouldn't have to go out and
> have people stare at her. At some point, a man (one who has uncovered
> her secret, that she is a murderer psychopath?) looks at her and says,
> "you must have been quite pretty before this happened to you."
> 
> Does this ring a bell with anyone. (Note that I seem to remember the
> pillow very well, but the plot not very well at all.)
> 
> Devon

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Re: [lace] Help me remember a movie

[Trish Fisher]

 I remember a movie called "The Lacemaker" could that be what you are looking
for. Haven't seen it yet
Trish Fisher in Sunny West Virginia where my lovely fushia rhododendron is
fading.



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many years ago I saw a movie, or part of a movie. It was in black and
white. It was a B picture, possibly film noir. It was set in the first
half of the 20th century, I think. There was a woman who made bobbin
lace on a flat pillow on a stand. 

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Re: [lace] Help me remember a movie

[Helene Ulrich]

Do not know the movie you are looking for, but perhaps the TCM website can
help.  They have a searchable database that may list it.

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[lace] Help me remember a movie

[Devon Thein]

I am going on a lace retreat and we are planning a movie night. Many,
many years ago I saw a movie, or part of a movie. It was in black and
white. It was a B picture, possibly film noir. It was set in the first
half of the 20th century, I think. There was a woman who made bobbin
lace on a flat pillow on a stand. (She may have been a sinister
psychopath murderer, that part I don't remember.) What stands out
clearly for me was a scene in which it is revealed that face has been
disfigured and as a result she became a recluse, spending all of her
time inside making bobbin lace so that she wouldn't have to go out and
have people stare at her. At some point, a man (one who has uncovered
her secret, that she is a murderer psychopath?) looks at her and says,
"you must have been quite pretty before this happened to you."

Does this ring a bell with anyone. (Note that I seem to remember the
pillow very well, but the plot not very well at all.)

Devon

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[lace] Help with Contact

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Arachnids

What a wonderful collection of friends. Thank you for putting me in touch with
Valerie and I have had an answer.

Happy New Year, or whatever your festival is called, a rose by any other name
smells as sweet.

Alex

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Re: [lace] help

[Sue Babbs]

I've sent instructions to Agnes which should help her

Sue 


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[lace] help

[Agnes Boddington]

Trying to put a photo in my album with arachne2003

and failing miserably.

Help please.

Agnes Boddington

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Re: [lace] help finding books

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Sharon,

A search on Google produced these leads:

April Lind's page on the ning group LACEIOLI:
laceioli.ning.com/profile/AprilLind?xg_source=activity
She says the first book is out of print, but you might message her directly
if that's the one you want, and you can probably buy the second directly
from her.

The other link that might be of interest is to an entry for the
second booklet: www.brandis.com.au/arachne/covers/Book032.html
You might ask Jenny about the books in case she knows a source for the
first one--I don't think she is on Arachne anymore so won't see your
message.

HTH,
Nancy
back in Connecticut, USA, but not for long -- Ithaca lace days this
weekend!!




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> Can anyone tell me where one can acquire the bookmark booklets by April
> Lind?
> One of our members has lost hers (has no idea how) and really wants another
> copy.  I wouldn’t mind a copy of both myself, they’re very hand to have
> around.  Thanks   Sharon on Vancouver Island
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[lace] help finding books

[Rick & Sharon Whiteley]

Can anyone tell me where one can acquire the bookmark booklets by April Lind?
One of our members has lost hers (has no idea how) and really wants another
copy.  I wouldn’t mind a copy of both myself, they’re very hand to have
around.  Thanks   Sharon on Vancouver Island

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Re: [lace] Help! Never done a hanky before

[Sue Harvey]

Hi Kathryn
I think it all depends on how you have stitch it on, if you have used the four 
sided stitch it is quite safe to cut right up to the stitches as it is so 
secure I have even used tweezers to pull a few more threads out so no material 
is showing on the lace side at all 
Sue Harvey
Norfolk UK


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[lace] Help.....A practice bobbin I sold years ago... lost????????

[Brian Lemin]

Did an Arachne member buy one of the bobbins that made as practice?  It was
highly ornamental, lose rings and one missing, after Joseph Haskins.

 

I want to check a picture that I am using in the dictionary to illustrate
"fake bobbins".

 

  I thought the picture I was using was that bobbin that I had made, but I
am being challenged that the picture I am using is not made by me.

 

They could be right as I was not good at filing my collection in  those
days, but does anyone remember buying it off eBay from me? If so can they
take a pic of it for me.  Please.

 

Many thanks

 

Brian

PS It was a long long time ago perhaps ten years?

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Re: [lace] help

[Sue Babbs]

instructions have been emailed to Agnes privately

Sue

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[lace] help

[Agnes Boddington]

Hello

How do I get into our Flickr album to post a picture?

Agnes Boddington

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[lace] Help.....Carol Adkinson

[Carol Adkinson]

Hello,
How are you doing

Can i ask you a favor???

Kindly write me back

Regard,

Carol.

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[lace] Help with research please? Possibly genealogical????????

[Brian Lemin]

Hello all,

 

1.   There is an intimation in  Whiting that the bobbins of East Devon
(Honiton bobbins) were all decorated in "Workshops" dedicated to that
function.

2.   Theses could possibly be associated with lace dealers or shops
dealing in lace making needs; but not necessarily so.

3.   My studies show that clearly a number of designs can be associated
with one person or a workshop.

 

When I was studying East Midland bobbins I had access to a set of census
disks for the UK and managed to find a few names of bobbin makers that have
not featured in Springett.  I did this by searching under occupations.

 

Since I started concentrating on the East Devon (Honiton) bobbins I have
struggled to ascertain if these bobbins were indeed decorated by specialists
in workshops as "rumored".  It dawned on me rather late, that I should
search the Census records for bobbin decoration, painting, design, even
turning/making (or other innovative searches, that might reveal this sort of
information)

 

I no longer have access to these census disks, and though I have tried very
hard to do similar searches on the free genealogical data bases, I have
failed to be able to search for these occupations in
Devon/Somerset/Dorset/Hampshire.

 

Is there a possibility that any of you have these disks or access to them
and could do the searches for me?  Please.

 

I know it is a big ask, and is a lot of work, but it is an unanswered
question relating to these bobbins, for which their decoration is pretty
well, the only distinctive feature of the bobbins.

 

If you are able to help I would be delighted.  Drop me a note if you want,
before you get searching or else, solve the problem I am trying to answer,
then  tell me about what you find before you write it up for publication.
(Please) :)

 

Many thanks.

 

Brian

PS I found a bobbin with FIVE sets of spangles on it!  You may have seen it
too.

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[lace] Help again.....Stuck for special spangle beads? and perhaps a vintage pillow horse? For the Dictionary

[Brian Lemin]

Hi All,

 

Firstly I need to say that I have been through all of the nearly 150 pages
and sent them off to my editor (Nice lady, but I think Sargent major is a
better name for her!! ) :)  Yes she is an Arachne member. fancy being an
Arachnid "and" a sergeant major!!! You are all so kind and nice.

 

The issue of copyright is always with us when we are publishing things, even
on the net and even when it is public domain.  I am OK with that as with my
bobbins, the kind people who have sent me or made their collections
available for me to photograph have given me their permission (again thanks
to you all)

 

So bobbins I am OK for but peripheral things I am having difficulty with.

 

I have spent hours trying to get pictures of beads that illustrate Christine
and David Springetts "Spangles and Superstitions" booklet, I am pretty well
square eyed looking at my bobbin spangles!.  Christine has put drawings of
them on that last two pages of her booklet. It is true I have pics of some
of these on my spangle pics but they do not Photoshop out in a manner that
will illustrate well in the Dictionary.

 

Here is here list, but I warn you modern names for such beads differ a great
deal from the Antique/vintage African Trade beads which the lace makers had
easiest access to.

 

This is the list of the beads I have not got legal access to a picture.

 

Horned eye,

Nut

Marvered

Rope or ribbon

Confetti crumbed

Decorated square crumbed

Quarterns

Faceted cane

Wound spiral

Serpents eye

Evil eye

The two latter would be lace makers colloquial names for them

 

Pictures of beads would need to be from reasonably close up, with focus as
always being the main feature. Re that latter two I would really need pics
from a couple of angles to be able to tell the story correctly.

 

The other thing I am looking for is an antique/vintage pillow horse picture
please.

 

Thanks again

 

Brian

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: [lace] Help

[catherinebar...@btinternet.com]

Thank you everyone, I've received eleven replies so far and delighted to know
that I am not loosing my marbles, just totally stressed out with this new
computer.  I'm so sorry about them having come through three times and have no
idea why some came through yahoo as I do not have an account with them!

Grateful thanks once again.

Catherine

Sent from my iPad

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

> On 23 Mar 2016, at 10:57, Jean Nathan  wrote:
>
> Hello Catherine - they all arrived in my in box, but they show the sender as
Yahoo! - no mention of your name or email address until I put my mouse pointer
ovr Yahoo! and your email address appears in pointed brackets.
>
> Jean Nathan in Pool, Dorset, UK
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Re: [lace] Help

[Brenda Paternoster]

Yes Cathy , they have come through three times!

Maybe this is another example of the problems with some ISPs and the Arachne
list.

Brenda


> On 23 Mar 2016, at 09:36, Yahoo!  wrote:
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> Please can someone tell me if the last THREE emails I have sent to Arachne
have come through, as they have not appeared in my mailbox, only my 'Sent'
box?  If they have appeared 3 times, please accept my sincere apologies as I
think I'm losing my marbles!

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
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[lace] Help

[Yahoo!]

Please can someone tell me if the last THREE emails I have sent to Arachne have 
come through, as they have not appeared in my mailbox, only my 'Sent' box?  If 
they have appeared 3 times, please accept my sincere apologies as I think I'm 
losing my marbles!
Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

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[lace] help please

[Lorelei Halley]

Barrie
I agree with Brenda and Catherine. It looks like point de gaze needle lace,
just from the style alone. We don't have enough detail to see individual
threads.
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] Help please.

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Julie

It looks like Point de Gaze, but not detailed enough to be certain that it’s
all needle lace with no bobbin fillings to make it mixed Brussels.  A very
nice piece of lace.

Brenda
>
> Sorry, here is the photo of the lace.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/whatlaceisthis
>

Brenda in Allhallows
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[lace] Help please.

[Barrie]

Could someone please tell me what sort of lace this is ?  My friend was given
this beautiful piece  which is 7 1/2 inches wide x 62 inches long for her
birthday and we do not know anything about it.  Any information you could give
us would be a great help thank you.

Julie
>From New Zealand

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Re: [lace] Help - Embroidered Jacket.

[Bev Walker]

Hello Liz and everyone

Could it have been the Plimoth Jacket?
http://www.plimoth.org/jacket

It came to mind, when reading your description.

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wrote:

 Can anyone please help me? - Recently I saw a web site showing a
 reproduction embroidered jacket, which was made in England copied from one
 in a museum - possibly the VA.


Hope this helps.
-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Help - Embroidered Jacket.

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

Can anyone please help me? - Recently I saw a web site showing a
reproduction embroidered jacket, which was made in England copied from one
in a museum - possibly the VA.

I cannot find the link anywhere, - and nor can I find my 'bookmark' for it!
Grrr! 
I promised to share the link with a friend who does some amazing handwork, -
and now I can't find where to direct her to!!  I know I am not very good at
doing searches, though.
I have just checked out the Royal School of Needlework, but can't find it
there either!


The site showed the various stages in making the jacket, and some of the
embroiderers they gave work to. It was an amazing project.

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.
lizl...@bigpond.com

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[lace] Help from Australian Spiders, Please!

[nestalace . carol]

Hi Aussie Arachnids All,

I am hoping you can give me some advice.   My son-in-law, grandson and 
grandson's friend are travelling by Malaysia Airlines to Cairns next week (29th 
Oct, I believe) and the baggage allowance is 25kg on the international flight.  
 However, they will be travelling around, and it would appear that the baggage 
allowance on internal flights is 10kg.   Could anyone tell me if there are 
luggage lockers in Cairns airport, where they could leave stuff, until they 
return to collect it - possibly up to three weeks later.

I am very envious - especially as they are going to visit the Wave Rock!    
(The next bit could be the lace related bit!)   I have told them all to look 
out for any lace-related anything, and have told them about Torchon House, and 
am hoping that they will be able to find it!    Not only that, but that they 
have enough spare cash to donate to this worthy cause here in the UK.   I have 
one of their delightful tiny bobbin winders which has proved invaluable on 
courses and in class.

Thanks anyway for any help you can give - I will forward any messages on to 
them.

Yours with best wishes, and may your pins never bend.

Carol - in North Norfolk UK

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RE: [lace] Help from Australian Spiders, Please!

[mouracreek]

Mr Google says that there are luggage lockers at Cairns Airport but it looks
like it might get to be a bit expensive if left for too long but that probably
depends upon the 'discount' they offer for longer holdings:
http://www.cairnsairport.com.au/luggage-lost-property/

HTH

Fran

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could leave stuff, until they return to collect it - possibly up to three weeks
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Re: [lace] Help from Australian Spiders, Please!

[Jennifer Audsley]

Hi Carol,

It would be extremely worthwhile for your son-in-law to check the baggage
allowance with the domestic airline (and ticket type) they've booked with.
Many Qantas and Virgin flights have 23kg limit for checked baggage, while
carry-on luggage can vary from about 7-10kg with a size limit (needs to fit
into the overhead locker or stowed under the seat in front). I've certainly
taken a laptop computer, handbag and a small backpack (or small bag with
novels and crochet) as carry-on :)

Some budget airlines may be different.

Jen in Melbourne, Australia. (30ºC and sunny today)


On 22 October 2014 01:53, nestalace.ca...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hi Aussie Arachnids All,

 I am hoping you can give me some advice.   My son-in-law, grandson and
 grandson's friend are travelling by Malaysia Airlines to Cairns next week
 (29th Oct, I believe) and the baggage allowance is 25kg on the
 international flight.   However, they will be travelling around, and it
 would appear that the baggage allowance on internal flights is 10kg.
 Could anyone tell me if there are luggage lockers in Cairns airport, where
 they could leave stuff, until they return to collect it - possibly up to
 three weeks later.

 I am very envious - especially as they are going to visit the Wave Rock!
  (The next bit could be the lace related bit!)   I have told them all to
 look out for any lace-related anything, and have told them about Torchon
 House, and am hoping that they will be able to find it!Not only that,
 but that they have enough spare cash to donate to this worthy cause here in
 the UK.   I have one of their delightful tiny bobbin winders which has
 proved invaluable on courses and in class.

 Thanks anyway for any help you can give - I will forward any messages on
 to them.

 Yours with best wishes, and may your pins never bend.

 Carol - in North Norfolk UK

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RE: [lace] Help from Australian Spiders, Please!

[Ruth Budge]

Carol, I've just spoken on the telephone to the staff at Cairns Airport.
The left-luggage is run by the Secure Parking firm at the airport and they
have two options.   One is stand alone lockers - however, they are basically
only for luggage being left for 24 hours.   The lovely man, Darren, told me
that a far better option would be for the cases to be left in their Secure
Storage room at the airport, which is literally just a few steps away from
the luggage carousel.  The cost depends on what is being left - A$10 per day
for a bag the size of a carryon bag and A$15 per day for a suitcase.   It
doesn't make any difference what weight the bag is...it's more the size.
For a three week storage, there would be a discount of 10% on the total
bill.

As I've indicated to you privately, I thought that a 10 kg luggage limit
within Australia sounds extremely low, and Darren agreed.   He'd be
surprised if it wasn't more, in fact he thought it was around 20 kgs, so let
me know the airline and I'll double-check with them direct.

There's no need to book the storage at Cairns - just rock on up.   Darren
also wondered if they'd prefer to cram everything into a bigger case to take
on their travels with them so that only a smaller bag would be storedhis
exact expression was they might prefer to leave the lace! He was
quite intrigued when I explained the path which led to my query!

And Maureen, Corinne and Alex - yes, I've been chatting up a man again!
(Word of explanation to the rest of you - these three were teasing me on my
recent trip home to England that I found a different man to talk to every
day of my travels.)

Ruth Budge
Sydney, Australia.

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Hi Aussie Arachnids All,

I am hoping you can give me some advice.   My son-in-law, grandson and
grandson's friend are travelling by Malaysia Airlines to Cairns next week
(29th Oct, I believe) and the baggage allowance is 25kg on the international
flight.   However, they will be travelling around, and it would appear that
the baggage allowance on internal flights is 10kg.   Could anyone tell me if
there are luggage lockers in Cairns airport, where they could leave stuff,
until they return to collect it - possibly up to three weeks later.

I am very envious - especially as they are going to visit the Wave Rock!  
 (The next bit could be the lace related bit!)   I have told them all to
look out for any lace-related anything, and have told them about Torchon
House, and am hoping that they will be able to find it!    Not only that,
but that they have enough spare cash to donate to this worthy cause here in
the UK.   I have one of their delightful tiny bobbin winders which has
proved invaluable on courses and in class.

Thanks anyway for any help you can give - I will forward any messages on to
them.

Yours with best wishes, and may your pins never bend.

Carol - in North Norfolk UK

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Re: [lace] Help with sewing with thread/Structure of Threads for Lace by Ballantyne

[Sue]

Thank you to a few people who have answered this one for me in various ways. 
I have chosen this email and the group to answer this morning to let you 
know that the 'crisis is over'.
I was using Broder Machine 50 which is quite fine (although not as fine as 
many of you use).  It is the same thread as I used to make the lengths of 
garter lace in the first place and I just picked up the cut end off my lap 
and threaded it.  During yesterday I spent bits of the day gently unpicking 
the stitches from the two areas where it had puckered up, leaving the nice 
smooth area alone.   I could then see that if I held it together with lace 
pins and just took one out one pin at a time I could continue on working and 
lining it up as I went, just a small area at a time.  I cut new thread and 
threaded from the start of the spool this time which several of you 
mentioned and began to resew.  I achieved a reasonable amount during the 
evening and have made sure I dont pull too tightly but have also been 
watching my sewing thread very carefully.   It is not unwinding now, so 
sewing very nicely.   I did get a couple of places where it almost knotted 
but I just loosened that and out it came.
So to my joy I haven't had to sacrifice any lace to get it undone, so can 
now continue on putting this garter together.   I am so pleased that I felt 
I could ask you on the group and not fear to be ridiculed for something 
which is not obvious unless you know.  It seems that more people than myself 
have had this situation, so it felt nice to understand now what to check for 
and that it isn't just a one size fits all solution.
Thank you all and when it is all together I will loop some ribbon into the 
centre holes and take photos and then I will probably have to ask one of the 
ladies to upload a photo into my folder on the group.  Another thing I 
haven't mastered on this new site.

Many thanks to all
Sue T
Dorset UK

Jeri wrote
Dear Sue,

Not sure, but it is possible you are sewing against the grain of the
thread.  Have you tried threading your needle from the other end of the 
thread?


We know, too, that if embroidery floss is threaded against the grain you
will have similar knotting problems and also an unhappy result for satin
stitch, bullion stitches, the looped stitches used in needle lace, etc.
Threading in the incorrect direction causes extra bad kinking/knotting, and 
tiny

fibers to be raised up (fuzzy) when a needle is drawn through fabric.

I have not sewn with the thread you are using, but this might be a  reason
for your problem.

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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In a message dated 8/29/2014 3:40:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
su...@talktalk.net writes:

I am  sewing two pieces of lace together using the same thread as I made the
lace  with.  Broder machine 50 and it keeps knotting although so far i  have
managed to undo it.   Is there a knack to is, ie maybe is  there a way the
thread needs to be use?
Sue T
Dorset  UK

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Re: [lace] Help with sewing with thread

[David C COLLYER]

G'day Friends,

Sue, I was also about to say try threading the needle from the other end of
the thread.


Liz, I'd forgotten that trick because I never do it myself. However, 
I do distinctly recall learning it back in '75 when a tapestry 
teacher was looking at my work. She stressed how important it was to 
be able to feel the twist in your wool and thread the needle accordingly.


David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] Help with sewing with thread/Structure of Threads for Lace by Ballantyne

[carolina de la Guardia]

Dear Jeri.
This is something I never thought before. I used to contemplate the 
twist of the thread when winding bobbins, not when sewing...

A big thank you again, your knowing and help to this list is invaluable.
Kind regards from a sunny and very hot Barcelona, Spain


Carolina de la Guardia
www.carolgallego.com
http://es-la.facebook.com/carolinadelaguardia




Not sure, but it is possible you are sewing against the grain of the
thread.  Have you tried threading your needle from the other end of the  thread?


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Re: [lace] Help with sewing with thread

[David C COLLYER]

At 07:01 AM 30/08/2014, Clay Blackwell wrote:

Sue,


I always give one twist with each stitch and that should stop it 
either knotting or unravelling. The trick is to figure out which way 
to twist and then to be consistent.

David in Ballarat, AUS


 I am sewing two pieces of lace together using the same thread as I made the
 lace with.  Broder machine 50 and it keeps knotting although so far i have
 managed to undo it.   Is there a knack to is, ie maybe is there a way the
 thread needs to be use?


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[lace] Help with sewing with thread

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

I get the digest, so am always a bit behind times!

Sue, I was also about to say try threading the needle from the other end of
the thread.  I learned that trick with Catherine Barley, when she was over
here, and I was struggling with some Brok thread (I think it was.)
Threading from the other end solved much of the problem.!

I regularly drop the needle to let it untwist, though, like David, I often
give a twist to the needle as I pull it through the stitch - providing I
have noticed which way the needle spins when dropped, before hand!!  Crochet
cotton, when working on my knotted lace, - is particularly 'twisty'!

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.

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[lace] Help with sewing with thread

[Sue]

I am sewing two pieces of lace together using the same thread as I made the
lace with.  Broder machine 50 and it keeps knotting although so far i have
managed to undo it.   Is there a knack to is, ie maybe is there a way the
thread needs to be use?
Sue T
Dorset UK

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Re: [lace] Help with sewing with thread

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Sue

Are you right handed?

In the same way that some lacemakers don’t get on with Z twisted thread for BL, 
 a lot of right handed stitchers find that they have problems with Z twist 
threads because of the way they handle the sewing needle causing the thread to 
over twist and thus curl up and form knots.  

You could try waxing the thread or you could try looking for a suitable S twist 
thread - such as Brok 80/2 or Fil au Chinois 60/2 - but only if the colour is a 
good match.

Brenda

On 29 Aug 2014, at 20:39, Sue su...@talktalk.net wrote:

 I am sewing two pieces of lace together using the same thread as I made the
 lace with.  Broder machine 50 and it keeps knotting although so far i have
 managed to undo it.   Is there a knack to is, ie maybe is there a way the
 thread needs to be use?

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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Re: [lace] Help with sewing with thread

[Clay Blackwell]

Sue, I have seen the same thing happen in embroidery and needlepoint.  One 
solution is to periodically drop the needle and allow the thread to untwist 
itself before continuing.

Clay

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 On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Sue su...@talktalk.net wrote:
 
 I am sewing two pieces of lace together using the same thread as I made the
 lace with.  Broder machine 50 and it keeps knotting although so far i have
 managed to undo it.   Is there a knack to is, ie maybe is there a way the
 thread needs to be use?
 Sue T
 Dorset-

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[lace] Help with sewing with thread/Structure of Threads for Lace by Ballantyne

[Jeriames]

Dear Sue,
 
Not sure, but it is possible you are sewing against the grain of the  
thread.  Have you tried threading your needle from the other end of the  
thread?  
  
 
You may remember that Barbara Ballantyne, the Australian crochet expert,  
and I wrote a lot about thread problems at the time she published Structure 
of  Threads for Lace.  This could be useful information for everyone to  
consider when working with a wide variety of threads.  You may find what we  
wrote by searching in our Arachne archives for:  Structure of Threads for  
Lace by Ballantyne 
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html 
 
Sewing threads were always wound on spools by  manufacturers in the proper 
direction for threading a sewing machine  needle.  That happens to be the 
direction in which you should thread a hand  sewing needle.  Something to 
always remember.  This way, you will be  sewing with the grain of the thread 
and 
avoid the worst of kinking and  knotting of thread.
 
We know, too, that if embroidery floss is threaded against the grain you  
will have similar knotting problems and also an unhappy result for satin  
stitch, bullion stitches, the looped stitches used in needle lace, etc.   
Threading in the incorrect direction causes extra bad kinking/knotting, and  
tiny 
fibers to be raised up (fuzzy) when a needle is drawn through fabric.
 
I have not sewn with the thread you are using, but this might be a  reason 
for your problem.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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su...@talktalk.net writes:

I am  sewing two pieces of lace together using the same thread as I made the
lace  with.  Broder machine 50 and it keeps knotting although so far i  have
managed to undo it.   Is there a knack to is, ie maybe is  there a way the
thread needs to be use?
Sue T
Dorset  UK

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Re: [lace] Help with mystery lace bonnet

[Adele Shaak]

Hi Vickie:

I think you're right about the purpose of the balls. As to the bonnet, it 
certainly looks like a variant of the Dutch 'hul'. I once took a 's Gravenmoer 
class from a Dutch lady who described the bonnets in detail. I don't remember 
all of what she said, but part of it was that there was often a wire frame for 
the hats, and sometimes bulbous spirals of wire that sat on either side of your 
face. They varied a lot from place to place so you could often tell a stranger 
by their strange bonnet. At the course I bought a book: 'Kant uit Vlaanderen en 
's Gravenmoer', which says, in part:

Lille or Beveren lace was used for the bonnets of the wealthy. These were fine 
laces with Point de Lille from Flanders displaying flower and leaf motifs while 
's Gravenmoer lace was a coarser lace, less intricate and therefore less 
expensive.  This bonnet, though, seems to use a more traditional Flanders 
lace, with a heavier, (possibly metallic?) thread looped back and forth to 
create the solid motifs. The book considers only bonnets from the area where 's 
Gravenmoer was made - perhaps in other areas the Flanders techniques would have 
been more popular.

There are regional differences in the use of bonnets. Various methods of 
starching were used, as well as colours of starch. The points of the lace of 
the 'hul' were folded upwards when starched. After starching, they were set 
over a casque under which a small black cap was placed to conceal the hair.

These laces were made with linen, and it looks to me from the pictures that 
linen is used here, too. I don't know if the dark colour is because they used 
unbleached linen, or because they used bleach linen with a heavy starch that 
has since changed colour. If the metallic threads were originally 
gold-coloured, it would have made sense for the entire thing to be starch with 
a gold-coloured starch, which could easily have changed to this brownish colour 
over time.

I hope somebody with far more knowledge of Dutch laces will comment. 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
PS: The teacher also said that for the average person lace was usually used 
just to trim a plain linen bonnet - and woe betide you if you trimmed your 
bonnet with a type of lace that was above your station in life - even if you 
made the lace yourself!


On 2014-08-20, at 5:39 PM, Vickie wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
  I have a friend that purchased a very old appearing, unusual lace bonnet
 made with metallic thread from an eBay vender.
 
  Since I have never seen anything like it I turn to your wonderful knowledge
 to help her guess at the age, style, and material etc.  There are two heavy
 metal balls hanging from two sides, possibly to provide weight to keep it on
 when worn because the lace is very light weight she says.

   Photo site:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

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Re: [lace] Help with mystery lace bonnet

[J D Hammett]

Hi Vickie,

I did not get your original email or else I’d have answered earlier. I
don’t think this is a Dutch hul. The back is too long; there are no balls on
the hul and it has more of a inverted V shape at the back. The hul does not
have the thick edge your hat has and the lace is the wrong type. It looks more
like a hat from eastern Europe.

As Adele said, there are many different lace bonnets in the Netherlands. Most
villages had their own costume and lace bonnet, although not every village had
a lace one*. The hul is part of the costume of Voledam, a fishing port to the
north of Amsterdam on the Ijsselmeer. The types of lace used for the
‘kappen’ as we call the bonnets varied from fine laces such as point lace
to crochet lace depending on your village ‘dracht’ (costume) AND your
station in life, although this was not as important as it was in Britain. Many
bonnets were worn over a broad headband or casket of gold or silver called a
‘hoofd-ijzer (head-iron) which often had a square or corkscrew shape at the
end which would press slightly into the cheeks giving a fuller (healthier?)
look. Ornaments could be hung on these shapes a little like we would use
earrings. Necklaces were also part of the costume, frequently of coral beads
with a ornate gold closure worn at the front. If you are interested your
library may have the –fairly simple- book;- Dutch costumes by A.Groen,
Publisher Elmar BV, Delft  ISBN 61200946.

Few costumes are worn daily these days, mainly Voledam, Marken and Urker but
on special days some villages look wonderful with many in costume. Even if the
daily bonnet was a fairly simple cloth one, often a lace one was added over it
for holy and other special days. Funnily enough, if the lace bonnet was worn
daily –in the richer areas- the women often wore a hat of some description
over it on Sundays and other special days.

I am entitled to wear the Walcheren costume for Arnemuiden and/or for
Vlissingen but could not possibly afford it The head-iron alone costs about
£3000. And as my grandmother was the 6th in her family she did not inherit
the costume.

The hat in the photograph looks as if at least the edge is made of a flat
‘yarn’ which could be metal wire. This would discolour and may become
brittle over time.

Hope this is useful to you.

Joepie, East Sussex, UK



*You can look up Images of Marken costume (crochet hat), Hindeloopen costume
(colourful cotton cloth hat), Staphorst (embroidered cloth), Walcheren
costumes (broder Anglais or point lace)on Bing or Google. Groningen (lace) or
West Friesland (lace with a feather hat on top). Even here there is confusion
as other villages/areas are mixed in with the main one.
On Wikipedia under Dutch caps  or Dutch bonnets there is a photo of several
Dutch costumes together.





From: Adele Shaak
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:08 PM
To: Vickie
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Help with mystery lace bonnet

Hi Vickie:
There are regional differences in the use of bonnets. Various methods of
starching were used, as well as colours of starch. The points of the lace of
the 'hul' were folded upwards when starched. After starching, they were set
over a casque under which a small black cap was placed to conceal the hair.


I hope somebody with far more knowledge of Dutch laces will comment.

Adele

PS: The teacher also said that for the average person lace was usually used
just to trim a plain linen bonnet - and woe betide you if you trimmed your
bonnet with a type of lace that was above your station in life - even if you
made the lace yourself!


On 2014-08-20, at 5:39 PM, Vickie wrote:

 Hello everyone,

  I have a friend that purchased a very old appearing, unusual lace bonnet
 made with metallic thread from an eBay vender.

  Since I have never seen anything like it I turn to your wonderful
knowledge
 to help her guess at the age, style, and material etc.  There are two heavy
 metal balls hanging from two sides, possibly to provide weight to keep it
on
 when worn because the lace is very light weight she says.

   Photo site:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

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[lace] Help with mystery lace bonnet

[Vickie]

Hello everyone,

  I have a friend that purchased a very old appearing, unusual lace bonnet
made with metallic thread from an eBay vender.

  Since I have never seen anything like it I turn to your wonderful knowledge
to help her guess at the age, style, and material etc.  There are two heavy
metal balls hanging from two sides, possibly to provide weight to keep it on
when worn because the lace is very light weight she says.
  Here is the flicker link to see the pictures:

https://flic.kr/ps/2ozHdT

  Which is my second question, I never could get the pictures to load into my
set on arachne2003.  I haven't uploaded for a while so things must have
changed since my last additions ( which were thanks to Clay's helpful
directions back then but didn't work this time). Guidance again is
appreciated.

  Thanks so much,
Vickie in Virginia



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[lace] Help, Please!

[nestalace . carol]

Hi Spiders All,
 
I am hoping that you can help me! A lace-making friend was hit by the North 
Sea Surge in December last, and her house is till full of sand and sea-water, 
as well as other impossible things, but she - and others in the same situation 
- has had a great deal of help from the local publican, whose inn is called 
'The Lighthouse'.   As a small thank-you gesture, she would like to make him a 
small picture of a lighthouse, but so far none of us can find a pricking.    So 
- if anyone can eMail me a pricking, or tell me where to source one, I would be 
cery grateful indeed.   The other possibility is a pricking/pattern for a 
windmill - the sais could be the beams of the lamps, so if anyone has anything 
remotely suuitable, do please let me know.
 
I know I can rely on you all, and thank you all very much indeed in advance.
 
Carol - in North Norfolk, UK
'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.'

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RE: [lace] Help, Please!

[Gray, Alison J]

Hi Carol

I don't suppose that this is going to be much help to your friend but I'm sure 
that there is a pattern for a windmill in one of Veronica Sorensen's books.  
Definitely not the Bruges flower lace, but one of the others, I can't remember 
which and am at work at the moment so can't check.  This windmill is 3D so it 
may not be of any help but I think it's based on the smock windmill in 
Upminster in what now passes for Greater London, but when I lived a few hundred 
yards from the mill in the 1960s/70s was part of Essex.

Alison in Colchester, Essex, UK and, at last, the sun has come out on a grey day


I am hoping that you can help me! A lace-making friend was hit by the North 
Sea Surge in December last, and her house is till full of sand and sea-water, 
as well as other impossible things, but she - and others in the same situation 
- has had a great deal of help from the local publican, whose inn is called 
'The Lighthouse'.   As a small thank-you gesture, she would like to make him a 
small picture of a lighthouse, but so far none of us can find a pricking.    So 
- if anyone can eMail me a pricking, or tell me where to source one, I would be 
cery grateful indeed.   The other possibility is a pricking/pattern for a 
windmill - the sais could be the beams of the lamps, so if anyone has anything 
remotely suuitable, do please let me know.
 

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Re: [lace] Help, Please!

[Joke Sinclair]

Hello Carol,

I will send you some scans from a Dutch magazine Kant Kwartaal published by 
Jolanda de Boer-van Nes in 1993.  It is a pattern of a stylised lighthouse in 
waves.


Joke Sinclair in wet West-Sussex



On 26 Mar 2014, at 14:59, nestalace.ca...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hi Spiders All,
  
 I am hoping that you can help me! A lace-making friend was hit by the 
 North Sea Surge in December last, and her house is till full of sand and 
 sea-water, as well as other impossible things, but she - and others in the 
 same situation - has had a great deal of help from the local publican, whose 
 inn is called 'The Lighthouse'.   As a small thank-you gesture, she would 
 like to make him a small picture of a lighthouse, but so far none of us can 
 find a pricking.So - if anyone can eMail me a pricking, or tell me where 
 to source one, I would be cery grateful indeed.   The other possibility is a 
 pricking/pattern for a windmill - the sais could be the beams of the lamps, 
 so if anyone has anything remotely suuitable, do please let me know.
  
 I know I can rely on you all, and thank you all very much indeed in advance.
  
 Carol - in North Norfolk, UK
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RE: [lace] Help, Please!

[Agnes Boddington]

I have actually seen a bobbin lace pattern for a lighthouse, but cannot
remember where or when.
Possibly in a German publication or pattern.
However, if you search for lace light house, some pictures of crocheted ones
come up, and you may be able to convert these simple designs to a lace
pattern in Torchon.
Sorry, I am not much help.
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

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Re: [lace] Help, Please!

[Sue]

To help all in the future I  found one in the Modern Lace designs book by 
Veronica Sorenson.  It is a free standing model but might lend itself to 
reduction or adaption if needed.


Sue T
Dorset UK

I have actually seen a bobbin lace pattern for a lighthouse, but cannot
remember where or when.
Possibly in a German publication or pattern.
However, if you search for lace light house, some pictures of crocheted ones
come up, and you may be able to convert these simple designs to a lace
pattern in Torchon.
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

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Re: [lace] Help, Please!

[Maureen]

Hi all

Page 125 of Veronica Sorenson's Modern Lace Designs has a windmill, but it is a 
3D model to be used as a table light, but you may be able to do something with 
it.

Regards 
Maureen
E Yorkshire

 
 

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Re: [lace] Help, Please!

[Brenda Paternoster]

Rendas de Bilros de Peniche/Bobbin lace of Peniche from Barbara Fay
http://www.barbara-fay.de/j2/index.php/en/component/virtuemart/bobbin-lace/kl%C3%B6ppelspitzen-aus-peniche-detail?Itemid=0
has a pricking or the watch tower shown on the cover.  If you can draw, or 
trace, a picture of a lighthouse you should be able to produce something 
similar as it's essentially cloth stitch outlines with not-difficult fillings.

Search Google images for 'lighthouse lace' and there are several examples of 
machine lace with lighthouses which could be used for inspiration.

Brenda

On 26 Mar 2014, at 14:59, nestalace.ca...@btinternet.com wrote:

 whose inn is called 'The Lighthouse'.   As a small thank-you gesture, she 
 would like to make him a small picture of a lighthouse, but so far none of us 
 can find a pricking.  

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] help - windows 7 locked out

[B TOWNSEND]

Hello
Can anyone on arachne help me, you are such a wonderful source of
knowledge on so many topics. I'm away from home and on trying to log onto my
notepad computer which runs on windows 7 I find that I've been completely
locked out the message reads  user profile service service failed the logon.
user profile cannot be loaded
 
So I've found myself with access to tiddly
squit. Can't access any e.mail addresses and unable to contact family who
might have been able to help - just hoping that I've remembered the arachne
address correctly. Please if anyone has experienced this problem and /or knows
what I can do please can you send me a message using my e.mail address
bob.b...@btinternet.com . 
many thanks
Nicky in UK

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[lace] Help needed from France

[Ann-Marie Andersson]

I need to contact Hotel de la Dentelle in Brioude but they don’t reply to
emails. Could someone in France please help me?

Ann-Marie Andersson

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[lace] help

[laceviolins_52]

pretend I am holding a blowhorn: 


CALLING ALL ARACHNES..., CALLING ALL 
ARACHNES..The Beehive Lacers need your help. We are hosting the 
Lace convention this year and we are putting together the booklet that they 
give to all the participants. In the past years the teachers and others have 
contributed patterns to the booklet. This year we have not received very many 
patterns so I am asking for any and all arachne members who have any 
noncopywrited patterns that you would be willing to share with us to please 
send them to us. We would really like this to be a knock your socks off pattern 
booklet. Just in case we receive a gajillion (my grandson's favorite word) or 
it gets lost in the mail, don't be mad if we don't get it in the booklet. 


Just let me say ahead of time, Thank You from the bottom of my heart to anyone 
who helps us. You are wonderful people. 


You can send them to me: Becca Clark at my email: laceviolins...@comcast.net 


Becca in Utah 

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Re: [lace] Help me find this book

[Sue Duckles]

Hi Jenny

As both a bobbin lacemaker and tatter I can imagine what you thought re your
group member wanting to learn this pattern however, as I own a number of
Christines patterns can I just say that her instructions are VERY detailed and
easy to follow!!  She 'talks' you through every stage!  Also, if you get
stuck, I'm sure she wouldn't mind you emailing her!!

Sorry I don't know what the book is but when you find out can you let the
rest of us know please??

Sue in East Yorkshire
On 16 Mar 2013, at 00:28, Jenny Brandis wrote:


 Beginning with Torchon lace I have been slow to put my toe into the water
of
 other types but one of our lace group with just a few months under her belt
 has decided to tackle a beds pattern. Not just a simple plait and picot but
 Christine Springetts Heart insertion
 http://www.cdspringett.co.uk/acatalog/Lace_Patterns.html   full on with
 leaves, trail and all and is asking me for help.  EEK

 The pricking I am having a go at was found online - a scan of pages 32 and
 33  from an unknown book that I now want to find so I can add it to my
 library. There is a lowres  scan on my site and I am asking you to please
 help me to identify the book.
 http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/Lace/201303.html


My Tatty Blog http://pigminitatty.blogspot.co.uk/

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Re: [lace] Help me find this book

[The Lace Bee]

I think it is sad that there are many sites around the web where people have 
put p pictures of the lace they have made without a nod to the designer of the 
pattern.  We see the pictures, fall in love with them and can't then make the 
piece ourselves.

However, what is of more of a concern is that the hard work that designers are 
putting into their work is being ignored by putting copies of their patterns, 
to which they own the copyright, into the web for free download.  Apart from 
loosing the income, their hardworking isn't even acknowledged.

L

PS, sometimes it's not that I'm lurking its just that I'm too busy at work to 
take part.  But I have the most extensive library on how to wash, preserve and 
make lace from the mails I have read over the years that I've been on acrachne.

Kind Regards

Liz Baker
 
 
 The pricking I am having a go at was found online - a scan of pages 32 and
 33  from an unknown book that I now want to find so I can add it to my
 library. There is a lowres  scan on my site and I am asking you to please
 help me to identify the book.
 http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/Lace/201303.html
 
 
 

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RE: [lace] Help me find this book

[Jenny Brandis]

Hi Liz

This is why, whenever I use a pattern from the web I try to find the
original source and buy that. If I can find out which book this came from,
it is going to be purchased and placed into my lace library. Mind you, I
would never have found this book on my own, so seeing the pattern online is
actually going to make a new sale for the author :-) You will notice it is a
lowres version I have placed up for identification purposes. Once the book
is found those details will go on the site and the scans will come down. 

It's good to do the right thing by the author/ designer - I just need to
find out who they are.

Regards
Jenny B

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
The Lace Bee


I think it is sad that there are many sites around the web where people have
put p pictures of the lace they have made without a nod to the designer of
the pattern.  We see the pictures, fall in love with them and can't then
make the piece ourselves.

However, what is of more of a concern is that the hard work that designers
are putting into their work is being ignored by putting copies of their
patterns, to which they own the copyright, into the web for free download.
Apart from loosing the income, their hardworking isn't even acknowledged.

L

PS, sometimes it's not that I'm lurking its just that I'm too busy at work
to take part.  But I have the most extensive library on how to wash,
preserve and make lace from the mails I have read over the years that I've
been on acrachne.

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

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Re: [lace] Help me find this book

[Cindy Rusak]

Hi All,

After a quick search, I came up with this:
http://christinemirecki.wordpress.com/kloeppelbriefe/buecher/505-2/, for
anyone interested in obtaining the book.  I also checked a couple of US
suppliers and it was available, so probably at other suppliers as well.

Cheers,
Cindy Rusak, Bracebridge, Ontario, Canada

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 Hi Liz

 This is why, whenever I use a pattern from the web I try to find the
 original source and buy that. If I can find out which book this came from,
 it is going to be purchased and placed into my lace library. Mind you, I
 would never have found this book on my own, so seeing the pattern online is
 actually going to make a new sale for the author :-) You will notice it is
 a
 lowres version I have placed up for identification purposes. Once the book
 is found those details will go on the site and the scans will come down.

 It's good to do the right thing by the author/ designer - I just need to
 find out who they are.

 Regards
 Jenny B


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[lace] Help me find this book

[Celtic Dream Weaver]

I checked out your link and that pattern looks very cool. I am glad you were
able to find the book. I like the flower looking collar too.  
Wind To Thy
Wings,
Sherry
celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
http://celticdreamweaver.com/
http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
Nata 616

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[lace] help with address

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Arachnids

I have had a wooden box made and wish to line it with a fine suede.  I have
some of Richard Gravestock's boxes and their linings are beautiful.  Does
anyone know where he sourced his suede?

or Richard's current address/phone no./email? I have his old ones but not
since he moved.   Please send this sensitive information privately.

Happy lacemaking

Alex

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Re: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[Jeriames]

Dear JJ,
 
 
We cringe each time we read a letter from someone who clearly wants to make 
 lace, because we have worked so hard to eliminate barriers to learning.
 

You say there is no one nearby to learn from and the nearest person  may be 
125 miles away.  Very often, there is someone closer, and someone on  
Arachne may be able to help.
 
Arachne is an international group of over 1,000 members.  I am  guessing 
you are in the U.S.  If you could tell us the nearest city and  state to you, 
you might privately hear of a lace maker nearer to you, maybe  over a state 
line.  Though you can teach yourself, there are many things  someone more 
experienced may be able to help with to speed your  progress. 
 
It is nice to sit beside someone else making lace, especially when you are  
a beginner.  In Maine, we read complaints since Arachne  was born nearly 18 
years ago.  People claimed there were no lace  makers.  This was not true.  
Almost every time we've heard this,  we've found someone in our rural state 
(low population and long  travel distances) that one can sit down with to 
learn lace  making.  This is also true in other states.
 
Our Maine lace group discussed the complaints 17 years  ago.  My lace 
library of over 1,000 titles was our first tangible resource,  and became the 
foundation for two other activities we undertook.  The  Lace Fairy site was 
established by Lori.  Though it has not been upgraded  in recent years, it 
still contains the most information of its kind in one  place.  Next, Tess 
scanned all the out-of-copyright lace books we  could find, and they were 
placed 
on the University of Arizona site.  
 
You can also look at Arachne archives, by subject, and often find answers  
to your questions there.  All the following resources cost only  what you 
are paying to use your computer.
 
_www.lacefairy.com_ (http://www.lacefairy.com) 
_www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html_ 
(http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html)  
_www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html_ 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html) 
 
Members of the International Organization of Lace, Inc. (IOLI) - the  lace 
organization in the U.S. - can borrow books for the price of mailing.   IOLI 
also lends VHS tapes and DVDs.  These are listed in the  Handbook members 
receive at the beginning of each year.  The name  has recently been changed, 
but the new address is still in process of being  revised.  Try the 
following, for now:
 
_www.internationaloldlacers.org_ (http://www.internationaloldlacers.org)  
 
Lace group membership lists do not tell all.  Local needlework  shops and 
museums do not know all.  Behind the scenes there are lace makers  who do not 
join groups or make themselves publicly known.  Arachne is  a place where 
you might find them.  We need to know where you are  to be of assistance!
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
 
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In a message dated 2/5/2013 4:22:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cskn...@gmail.com writes:

I'm a  technical person so if knew the theory/technique it is
easier and faster to  learn.  I don't have anyone nearby to learn from,
nearest person maybe  125  miles.

JJ

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Re: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[Dmt11home]

Did anybody mention _http://laceioli.ning.com/_ (http://laceioli.ning.com/) 
 a site  sponsored by the International Organization of Lace where you can 
take  tutorials, get advice, etc.?
Devon

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RE: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[Noelene Lafferty]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say thank you again to all at Arachne
who helped me when I first started lace.  Living in a small country town, no
other lacemakers, let alone teachers around, and just a book (Rosemary
Shepherd's Introduction to Bobbin Lace) to learn from, getting started was a
bit of a challenge for me.

I received great help and support from Arachne members, and I think it a
shame that there are not more queries from beginners posted to our group.
Any question, no matter how basic, seems to stimulate really interesting
replies.

I am helping, by email, a lady in another country town in Australia get
started.   The latest technology of digital cameras/smart phones is proving
very helpful - she snaps a picture of what she has just done, emails it to
me, and I can tell here where she's gone wrong, mark up the photo with
suggestions or correction notes, and email it back to her.  She has
difficulty reading printed instructions, and this seems to be working quite
well.

Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au

You say there is no one nearby to learn from and the nearest person  may be 
125 miles away.  Very often, there is someone closer, and someone on  
Arachne may be able to help.
 

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RE: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[mary carey]

Hi All,

Have wondered if something like Skype could be useful?  Of course, one would
have to have a willing person to communicate with.

Started my daughter in Canada on tatting for a particular project.  Had sent
her a copy of a book I also had and the rest happened via Messenger, don't
think she continued with it after the special project.  Her brother in law's
bride had lost both of her parents and Jeanette did initials to go on the hem
of her Wedding dress.

Have also wondered if Skype would be useful for learning Sign Language - have
had an ongoing interest in Auslan, found it difficult to be part of a
community group to practice what I have learned, and unfortunately have lost a
lot of what I learned originally.

Mary Carey
Campbelltown, NSW, Australia

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RE: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[Sue]

Noelene, that sounds like a very good idea, I for one would be happy to sign
up to a list of Arachne members who are willing to help a beginner in the
same way as you have. 

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK

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Re: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Mary Cary,

Last year at Lace at Sweet Briar, we had a class in designing Binche lace which 
was done with Skype.  Six students worked together in Virginia, USA, and the 
teacher was in Belgium!  It was considered a success by those who participated! 
 In fact, the class is being offered again this year!  However, we all agreed 
that for a complex lace like Binche, it would be very difficult to teach the 
actual lacemaking.  Many times, what we need a teacher for is to help sort out 
a mistake, and we have difficulty seeing it in person' so you'd need much 
higher resolution cameras in the computer to be of any use.  

Having said that, I think that carefully placed cameras aimed at the pillow and 
somehow hooked up to the computer would give a teacher the opportunity to 
demonstrate basic movements and stitches.  In fact, I think there are quite a 
few videos on the Internet which have been posted by lacemakers who want to 
show how to do a specific thing.  The advantage of Skype would be the 
interaction between the teacher and the student. Beyond the basics, it would 
probably be an exercise in frustration.

Clay

Sent from my iPad

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 Hi All,
 
 Have wondered if something like Skype could be useful?  Of course, one would
 have to have a willing person to communicate with.
 

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Re: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[Tregellas Family]

If such a list is being compiled by someone, please add my name to 
it.  I'm happy to help any lacemaker with problems and my students know 
that they can ring me to talk through a problem as well.  Yes, the 
smartphones are terrific in getting information to the 'puter which 
seems to give confidence to the beginner as the 'helper' can actually 
see her lace piece and the problem.


Cheers,
Shirley T.  -  getting ready for my students.  :-)


On 7/02/2013 8:14 AM, Sue wrote:

Noelene, that sounds like a very good idea, I for one would be happy to sign
up to a list of Arachne members who are willing to help a beginner in the
same way as you have.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK



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RE: [lace] Help to learn technique - Lace Resources

[Noelene Lafferty]

The good part about helping by emails and photos, rather than Skype, is that
you both don't have to be there at the same time.   My student can send me
her picture even if I'm not home (or as she often does, late at night -
she's a night owl, I'm a morning person) - I can look it at my leisure and
reply at a time that suits me.  It's not as good as face to face tuition,
but it is working well for us.

Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au
 Noelene, that sounds like a very good idea, I for one would be happy 
 to sign up to a list of Arachne members who are willing to help a 
 beginner in the same way as you have.

 Sue M Harvey
 Norfolk UK


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Re: [lace] help to learn technique

[lynrbailey]

In response, it is my understanding, although I could easily be wrong, that in 
the time when lace was made professionally, a new pattern would be taught, or 
there would be the pricking and a piece of the lace provided to an experienced 
lacemaker.  I imagine that if one is provided only with the pricking there are 
some elements that explain themselves by the location of the holes, such as a 
sewing edge, or headside picots, or perhaps tallies, but fillings are always 
subject to interpretation.  

On the other hand, for lace such as Honiton or Duchesse, or Withof are 
basically outlines, where initially there is no pricking as such and the 
lacemaker decides how to do it, having learned the conventions of that 
particular lace.  A pricking in those circumstances, that is, the pinholes 
added to the drawing, are actually one lacemaker's interpretation of the 
drawing. 

On the other, other hand, I have been doing a simple Bucks edging for almost 2 
yards total, and I think I would recognize the pattern of pinholes for the 
various elements in my sleep, and my teacher firmly believes that one can 
figure out what to do with a pricking just by looking at it.  

Oh the other, other, other hand, the modern lacemaker who makes Flanders or 
Binche, does so with a colored (coloured) diagram at hand. 

Hope this helps.  

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where it snowed last night, about an inch, 
2.5 cm, and it's presently 23F, -4.5C.

JJ wrote:
Is there a book or written instructions somewhere that explain how to do a
pricking without someone writing out the directions?  What I mean, is if I
find a pricking, that I could make the pattern with nothing but that
pricking?


My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails.

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RE: [lace] help to learn technique

[Maureen]

Hi

Yes you are correct Lyn.  If you have worked through the basic patterns of a 
type of lace first, then you should recognise certain elements of the pricking. 
  When I first started to learn lacemaking in the early 70s there were only the 
prickings which the teacher held.  If we wanted a copy of that pricking, we 
copied it  by making a new pricking using the existing pricking, at that time 
there were very few photocopies we could use and I certainly didn't learn how 
to graph a pattern out until a few years later. And most of the prickings 
did not have any lace attached to them so we had to rely on our earlier 
lacemaking experiences to understand the pricking or do our own thing and hoped 
it was right.

Nowadays there are plenty of lacemaking books on offer  which should show how 
to work the various types of lace, there are books on how to graph out lace 
patterns and even how to design lace from scratch.   But if you are a virtual 
beginner to lacemaking, then the best way is to try and find a teacher who 
could help you through the early stages.   There are some beginners books on 
the market which may help.

So the best way of going about it is to study the pricking, from which you will 
hopefully recognise the type of lace,  see what elements  you recognise and 
then refer to a lace book for anything you don't recognise.   If you do not 
have a book on that particular type of lace, then it can normally be borrowed 
from The Lace Guild (if you are a member) or maybe someone in your local lace 
group will either be a teacher, or be prepared to help you.  

Maureen
E Yorks UK

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Re: [lace] help to learn technique

[Bev Walker]

Hello JJ and everyone

I don't know of such a book that would decode a pricking on its own, unless
the pricking has been marked, in which case some publications do have
charts with a glossary of conventional markings (such has a symbol
representing an area of half-stitch, another symbol to indicate a tally...)
but I'm supposing you mean a pricked card with no lines drawn on.

If we have a pricking without a picture of the finished lace or diagrams,
we are pretty much on our own for deciding what the dots mean.
Some of the arrangement might look familiar, such as a Torchon grid (45
deg. angle), a diamond shape that looks like it should have a hole in the
middle could be a spider crossing, or CTC rows or CT rows within the
diamond.

It is a challenge, but do-able, with experience in lacemaking, to work an
example from 'nothing but the pricking' - however for beginner-improver
level, best to look for something with at least a diagram?

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:50 PM, c s cskn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a book or written instructions somewhere that explain how to do a
 pricking without someone writing out the directions?  What I mean, is if I
 find a pricking, that I could make the pattern with nothing but that
 pricking?


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Help needed

[Miriam Gidron]

Dear Spiders,

I have started a scarf from Brigitte Bellon's little book of Scarves and
table runners.
I am making the scarf number 5. I have reached the point where I have to
make the rose ground .
The top rose ground is really the top of a triangle . The problem is that
it is just in the middle where I have to turn the pattern and work it to
the other direction. There is no way I can make  the second rose without
finishing the first one.

I have turned the pattern around and around but I don't find the solution.
I have to finish that part because otherwise I can't start the triangle at
the other side and turn the work around.

Hope I explained my problem clearly.

Miriam
in Arad, Israel

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[lace] help with Swedish directions

[Tess Parrish]

Once again, Arachne has proved its worth!  Thanks to all those who took the 
time and trouble to help me with the Swedish directions.  It was a simple 
design, but not being able to read the instructions I missed the key phrase 
which was the clue.  All is well, and I'm on my way to finishing the little 
square today.

Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine, USA, where we are in the midst of a lovely 
spell of September weather

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[lace] Help Please with Italian translation

[Kathy Hensel]

Dear Lacemakers-
I have received a message from someone about a lace pattern on Facebook but
cannot get a satisfatory translation from any of the several translators
online. Can any of you who speak Italian please help?
This lady's message reads: MI PROTESTI SPEDIRE IL DISEGNO PER FAVORE ,QUANTO
COSTA.  Salve ,uno qualsiasi sono una principiante .possibilmente non
tondo.parlo di un disegno a tombolo.

The online translators only give part of it. One came up with: I am a
beginner, not quite round.
Another: PROTEST SHIP DRAWING ME PLEASE, HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
Thank you in advance for any help you can give.
Kathy Hensel
-in Marcola, where they are logging the hill adjacent to our home and the
house keeps shaking - it is rattling my nerves!

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Re: [lace] Help Please with Italian translation

[Sister Claire]

It looks like a typo to me: pRotesti instead of potesti. It would mean:
Could you please send me the (design/pattern), how much does it cost?

Sr. Claire in Jerusalem

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 Dear Lacemakers-
 I have received a message from someone about a lace pattern on Facebook but
 cannot get a satisfatory translation from any of the several translators
 online. Can any of you who speak Italian please help?
 This lady's message reads: MI PROTESTI SPEDIRE IL DISEGNO PER FAVORE
 ,QUANTO
 COSTA.  Salve ,uno qualsiasi sono una principiante .possibilmente non
 tondo.parlo di un disegno a tombolo.

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[lace] help finding book source

[bev walker]

Hello everyone

This is a long shot, and I should have written the book's title on the page
I copied. Mea culpa. I think I gave the book away!
What I have is a pattern diagram entitled Pricking 3 Woollen scarf - it
is Torchon.There is cloth stitch CTC down both edges and diamonds of
half-stitch, roseground and spiders for the main part.
I think the book was an all purpose how-to for bobbin lace published prior
to 2000. There is a portion of a picture where someone is modelling the
scarf. It (the scarf) looks rather crisp and might have been made of linen
thread. Does this ring a bell for anyone? I would like to know who designed
the pattern.

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Fwd: [lace] help finding book source

[d2oneill]

Sounds like Modern Lace Designs by Veronica Sorenson. 

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To: Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:29:57 AM 
Subject: [lace] help finding book source 

Hello everyone 

This is a long shot, and I should have written the book's title on the page 
I copied. Mea culpa. I think I gave the book away! 
What I have is a pattern diagram entitled Pricking 3 Woollen scarf - it 
is Torchon.There is cloth stitch CTC down both edges and diamonds of 
half-stitch, roseground and spiders for the main part. 
I think the book was an all purpose how-to for bobbin lace published prior 
to 2000. There is a portion of a picture where someone is modelling the 
scarf. It (the scarf) looks rather crisp and might have been made of linen 
thread. Does this ring a bell for anyone? I would like to know who designed 
the pattern. 

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of 
Canada 

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[lace] help finding book source - thank you

[bev walker]

Hello again everyone

Thank you to all who have written to me with the info on this pattern. Yes,
it is from Veronica Sorenson's Modern Lace Designs.
I've made a note on my page!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:29 AM, bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 ...
 What I have is a pattern diagram entitled Pricking 3 Woollen scarf - it
 is Torchon.There is cloth stitch CTC down both edges and diamonds of
 half-stitch, roseground and spiders for the main part


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] help finding someone in Greece

[Kim Davis]

HI!  I am trying to locate Despina Forou-Kousika for some research I
am doing.  Does anyone have current contact info for her, or know
where I might find it?
Thanks, Kim Davis

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[lace] Help

[Alan Sheila Brown]

Dear  lacers in Tasmania/Australia,
Can you help me get in touch  with either Win or Faye who I fist met  at 
OIDFA 2002 in Nottingham and then saw again in 2008 in Holland.   One of 
them wrote to me earlier in the year saying they would be in Caen.  I've 
lost the email  and I need to get in touch with  so could you pass on my 
message on or send me the email address.

Many thanks to all.

Sheila in wet Sawbridgeworth, hopefully for the next 6 months as we are 
now in a Drought zone!!!


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[lace] Help Lace Guild

[The Lace Bee]

Guys,
 
I thought that I read that you can now join the UK Lace Guild on line but
can't for the life of me find how to do this.
 
Does anyone know how to?
 
L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website:
http://thelacebee.weebly.com/

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[lace] Help Lace Guild

[Jane Partridge]

The website presently directs you to email holl...@laceguild.org

There have recently been some problems with emails sent via the website 
being mis-filed in the email inboxes at the Hollies. The girls are now 
aware of what has been happening, and are trying to work round it.


There is an electronic version of the membership form, but it hasn't 
been attached to the website as yet - whether this happens in the future 
is a question for the webmaster to sort out. Likewise, unfortunately, 
the Guild cannot accept subscriptions by PayPal although I believe it 
can be used for the purchase of items from the website. I'm not sure of 
the exact reasons, even having asked!


Credit and debit card transactions can now only be taken by snail-mail, 
via the website and over the phone - so we cannot take card payments at 
shows at present, due to changes in the rules regarding card security.


That said, in answer to the question, if you send an email to 
holl...@laceguild.org and request an application form, they will be able 
to send you this as a pdf file for you to complete and return. 
Alternatively, come and see us at one of the shows in the next few weeks 
(email me privately if you want to know which ones we will be at, but 
suffice it to say I've not got a weekend in for ages and could do with 
some help in London next weekend!), or give the Hollies a ring on Monday 
- I am fairly certain you can join/renew by phone.




In message 
1317493416.46174.yahoomailclas...@web87004.mail.ird.yahoo.com, The 
Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com writes

Guys,
 
I thought that I read that you can now join the UK Lace Guild on line but
can't for the life of me find how to do this.
 
Does anyone know how to?
 
L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website:
http://thelacebee.weebly.com/

--
Jane Partridge
Executive Committee member (Shows Co-ordinator)
The Lace Guild

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[lace] tape lace help

[Rick and Sharon Whiteley]

I’ve had a large tape lace project lurking on a pillow for several years and
have recently decided to bite the bullet and finish the #@*% thing.  Believe
me, after this I will never do tape lace again, it’s back to Beds and other
more interesting laces :)  However I would still like to know how to do the
joining's/sewing's you have to do when you have a large circle of tape with
long joins that meet in the middle space of the circle .  It’s too late for
this project since I’m almost finished but I would still like to know how
you get nice tight look.  There always seems to be one floppy middle  loop
after I’ve sewn the last of the loops through the other four.  I’ve been
hooking the first four loops around the central pin and with the fifth I take
a thread and hook that through all the other loops and make my sewing.
Doesn’t matter how much manipulating I do there’s almost always one that
comes untwisted or is just loose.  What’s the solution?  Thanks.  Sharon on
Vancouver Island

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