Re: [lace] Lace eye candy, salt water, wet cleaning unique laces, conservation, long answer

2016-09-18 Thread Ilske Thomsen
In the interview I had with Mme Bonniol, via internet, about her salt.lace I 
don’t ask how to clean or if she make pieces to wear in such way. Why all works 
I saw were pieces for „decorate“ not to wear. And that one couldn’t clean such 
works it’s clear looking at them. In my opinion these are works made for now 
not for eternity as lots of todays art works are. This is art not for use like 
a collar and so we must think about in an other way.
The only possibility to conserve them would be a showcase.
About the jewelry or bookmarks or pieces for decoration all of them must be 
starched to keep dust and such things away. You can’t clean them. Have a look 
at some of my works shown on Lorelei’s website than you understand whyLace 
works make for hanging on a wall are well protected in a frame but it needs 
also some caution to do so. This would be a longer writing to explain.

> In brief, this is done only to new laces by an artist whose first
> consideration is to make something that is not normal.  
That’s right.
> Is the  artist using
> materials other than linen, cotton, silk and wool?
Yes, she does but no clothes, as far as I know. 

> Does this French lace maker sell items to be worn? 
And it wouldn’t be possible such a piece is more thick than lace we are used. 
And the surface isn’t smooth.

> She gave me a small bobbin lace flower she made with colored  metallic
> threads, all of which appear to be  synthetics.  Very precious to me.  Ilske
Jeri, this piece too is starched you don’t need clean it if you use it 
regularly.
Hope my explanation are helpful. If there are more questions don’t hesitate to 
ask me. 

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lace eye candy, salt water, wet cleaning unique laces, conservation

2016-09-17 Thread Brenda Paternoster
>
>   Some of you know that many 20th C.
> sequins were made of  gelatin.  They, also, melt away in liquids.  This
> means:   if you buy vintage sequins, test them in water before attaching to
> lace.


Gelatine sequins will dissolve in perspiration!   I have heard a sorry tale
about a dress with a lot of gelatine sequins attached, the wearer got hot, and
the sleeves and bodice of the dress stuck to each other!

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] Lace eye candy, salt water, wet cleaning unique laces, conservation

2016-09-17 Thread Jeriames
Thank you for the salt-infused lace explanation, Ilske.

In brief, this is done only to new laces by an artist whose first
consideration is to make something that is not normal.  Is the  artist using
materials other than linen, cotton, silk and wool?  How  will this lace be
cleaned
in the future, or is it only for display in  the short term?

For those of you committed to the use of traditional threads   If you
want it to be possible for your heirs to see and hold what  you made - please
recognize the difference.  Consider the problems museum  conservators and
restorers of laces face every day when they try to prevent  deterioration and
prepare laces for exhibition.  Anything like salt  crystals on lace would
need to be stored in a completely different  storage area/container than
customary lace storage in a museum.   This lace must not be exposed to
liquids!
This is not a totally  unique problem.  Some of you know that many 20th C.
sequins were made of  gelatin.  They, also, melt away in liquids.  This
means:   if you buy vintage sequins, test them in water before attaching to
lace.

Does this French lace maker sell items to be worn?  If  so, wearers would
have to avoid damp and rain - just as was  done when heavily-starched
standing lace collars were worn in the  Renaissance period.  Does she give
wearing
and care instructions with  each piece she makes??

Readers: please understand this is an *intellectual discussion*, and  not
me picking on Ilske.  Ilske and I are friends who look for each other  at
each OIDFA Congress.  We met through Arachne in 2003.   This Summer Ilske and
I
spent quite a bit of time with each other in Slovenia.

She gave me a small bobbin lace flower she made with colored  metallic
threads, all of which appear to be  synthetics.  Very precious to me.  Ilske
knows not to use  glue.  There is a small gem *sewn* to the center, and the
pin
on  back is sewn in place.  If if it ever needed wet cleaning, I  would
wash it in the traditional manner I have taught all of you - a  shallow pan of
distilled water.  If it needed a "boost" I would use ORVUS,  because it is
the gentlest soap in my studio.  The flower  is shaped in 2 layers.  To dry,
I would gently shake  the flower, dry the metal pin as much as possible with
a soft cloth,  then shape the lace petals and lay the flower on the clean
counter in  my kitchen to dry.  It is very lacy, so it would not take long.

Some of us have very old laces in our private collections, and some  have
very new laces made by friends.
Many of you participate in the bookmark or holiday ornament lace exchanges
sponsored by Arachne.  If you have small items like the bookmarks,  they
may get soiled while in use.  You treasure the friendships you  have made
during these swaps, and I hope you will be able to wet clean them  using the
advice given on Arachne.

If you have young people in your home, may I suggest  you invite them help
you wet clean lace?  In the current period  of history, they usually only
understand using washing machines and  dryers to clean textiles.  You probably
have taught them how to cook  enough to prevent starvation. This is just an
extension of your good  intentions for the lace you own and something that
the young  people will remember years from now.  If they go on to use  or
wear laces you made, they will be more careful about exposing inherited  laces
to dangerous conditions.

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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In a message dated 9/17/2016 7:41:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ilske.l.thom...@t-online.de writes:

M. Th.  Bonniol doesn’t "bath“ old lace in salt water. She creates laces,
with "big  holes“ and let it lay in the salt water on the place she lives a
part of the  Mediterranean Sea. The salt forms crystals in the gaps of the
lace.  Astonishingly those crystals stay on the lace.  These are really
remarkable works.
Those being able to read German could find an article I  wrote about her
and her salt-lace about two years ago.  Ilske in  Hamburg

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