Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site = correction

[Malvary Cole]

Correction to my previous message - I was hurrying and didn't proof read 
properly


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From: Malvary Cole

Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 9:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

I double checked part of the 1871 census for Honiton, Devon and there are
several ladies described as Lace Makers or Lace Manufacturers, and it shows
where they were born.  There are many more ladies with no occupation shown
and many of them may well have been lace makers, but it wasn't considered
to be an occupation as such - women did NOT have occupations unless you were
perhaps the head of the household.  It would probably have been the head of
the household who filled in the census form and if he didn't consider that
his wife and/or daughters had occupations, then it didn't go on the form.

For 1841 there are no actual places of birth shown except whether they were
born in the county for which the census was being taken, i.e. if the census
was for Devon and you were born in Devon you got a Y by your name or and N
if you were born somewhere else.  The Y and N are not always easy to
distinguish because the transcriber of the forms was doing pages of these
entries and he/she is also trying to read the writing of the person who
filled in the form - not necessarily the same person.  If there was no-one
in the household who could write, then the form was completed by the
enumerator  - hence the different spelling of family names that you come
across when doing research.

Malvary in Ottawa where it is hot and muggy again today.

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Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

[Malvary Cole]

I double checked part of the 1871 census for Honiton, Devon and there are 
several ladies described as Lace Makers or Lace Manufacturers, and it shows 
where they were born.  There are many more ladies with no occupation shown 
and I many of them may well have been lace makers, but it wasn't considered 
to be an occupation as such - women did have occupations unless you were 
perhaps the head of the household.  It would probably have been the head of 
the household who filled in the census form and if he didn't consider that 
his wife and/or daughters had occupations, then it didn't go on the form.


For 1841 there are no actual places of birth shown except whether they were 
born in the county for which the census was being taken, i.e. if the census 
was for Devon and you were born in Devon you got a Y by your name or and N 
if you were born somewhere else.  The Y and N are not always easy to 
distinguish because the transcriber of the forms was doing pages of these 
entries and he/she is also trying to read the writing of the person who 
filled in the form - not necessarily the same person.  If there was no-one 
in the household who could write, then the form was completed by the 
enumerator  - hence the different spelling of family names that you come 
across when doing research.


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Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

[Brenda Paternoster]

With  Ancestry ,Find My Past, The Genealogist and any other websites with
census transcriptions you can report transcription errors (and there were
plenty of them down to poor handwriting, transcription by non-native/non-local
people and general lack of palaeography skills) but if they have chosen not to
transcribe occupation for a whole dataset they won’t add it.

Brenda

> On 18 Jul 2019, at 01:04,  
wrote:
>
>
> However I discovered that Occupation and county was not transcribed  into
> these two data bases of the census.  (1871, 1841)
>
> "IF" you have a subscription you can report this to them (see below)  I
will
> leave the matter with you to see if there is a kind soul with asubscption
> that might feel comfortable doing this.

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

[brido11]

I have been using the Free part of this site  [
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-united-kingdom-records ] to collect
all the names of lace makers in Devon from the censuses. The idea is that
those with sets of initials on their bobbins will be able to consult this
list and "try" and match up the names of the lace makers.  I suspect this
will be difficult and require some patience!  But I hope it will be a
resource.

 

However I discovered that Occupation and county was not transcribed  into
these two data bases of the census.  (1871, 1841)

"IF" you have a subscription you can report this to them (see below)  I will
leave the matter with you to see if there is a kind soul with asubscption
that might feel comfortable doing this.

 

I have all the names for the other censuses.

 

This is Find My pats, reply to my query.:

 

Regarding the 1871 Census & 1841 Census
During the transcription process the occupation and birth place were not
captured, it was only the following that was transcribed:-

Name
Age
Relationship to head of household
Sex
County of Birth

If you have an active subscription it is possible to report transcription
errors and add details of occupation/ County,  which anyone with a
subscription is able to do. 

 

Thank you

 

Brian





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