On Saturday 11 of February 2012 08:47:42 zeljko wrote:
On Friday 10 of February 2012 18:48:44 Samuel Herzog wrote:
Hi all,
sorry, but this issue was brought up by me.
I tried to solve http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=1020 which is
almost 7 years old. (reported in 2005)
I'm in an uncomfortable situation where the last few weeks' worth of
trunk won't display a project's main form (populated only with standard
controls) and won't compile it to anything reliable (noting other
discussion, it's got a background thread). I got here because of fixes
to the SPARC
Den 10-02-2012 22:08, Hans-Peter Diettrich skrev:
It is useless, even irritating to the help seeking user
But, any doc to the end user must not contain this.
To me it's more irritating and confusing, when documentation has
already been found wrong, without any according indication.
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich
drdiettri...@aol.com wrote:
I only remember that you stated that you don't like such notes.
It is not about liking, I think it is just plainly obvious that if
someone downloads our software and builds our docs, presses F1 and
reads [really?]
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Reimar Grabowski reimg...@web.de wrote:
2D projection functions have never been part of OpenGL AFAIK, mind telling me
which functions you talk about?
glMatrixMode(GL_PROJECTION);
glLoadIdentity;
glOrtho(0, OpenGLControl1.Width, OpenGLControl1.Height, 0,
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 09:10:49 Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I'm in an uncomfortable situation where the last few weeks' worth of
trunk won't display a project's main form (populated only with standard
controls) and won't compile it to anything reliable (noting other
discussion, it's got
Hi,
Seeing the discussions about annotating the documentation created by FPDoc, I
added support for notes.
(revision 20304)
In short:
At the level of the module, topic and element tags, you can now include a
notes tag.
Within the notes tag, you can include one or more note tags.
They are
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb:
It is not about liking, I think it is just plainly obvious that if
someone downloads our software and builds our docs, presses F1 and
reads [really?] it makes us look ridiculous so it is not acceptable to
have that in our documentation.
Well, my opinion
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:56:21 +0100
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Reimar Grabowski reimg...@web.de wrote:
2D projection functions have never been part of OpenGL AFAIK, mind telling
me which functions you talk about?
Anders E. Andersen schrieb:
Den 10-02-2012 22:08, Hans-Peter Diettrich skrev:
It is useless, even irritating to the help seeking user
But, any doc to the end user must not contain this.
To me it's more irritating and confusing, when documentation has
already been found wrong, without any
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb:
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich
drdiettri...@aol.com wrote:
I only remember that you stated that you don't like such notes.
It is not about liking, I think it is just plainly obvious that if
someone downloads our software and builds
zeljko schrieb:
Have you tried with LCLIntf.GetSystemMetrics(SM_CYMENUSIZE) ?
I guess it'll return something under win32, but it's not implemented for
others yet (I guess it shouldn't be too hard to implement it)
Ah, that nasty difference between outer (form bounds) and inner (client
area)
Mark Morgan Lloyd schrieb:
I'm in an uncomfortable situation where the last few weeks' worth of
trunk won't display a project's main form (populated only with standard
controls) and won't compile it to anything reliable (noting other
discussion, it's got a background thread). I got here
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd schrieb:
I'm in an uncomfortable situation where the last few weeks' worth of
trunk won't display a project's main form (populated only with
standard controls) and won't compile it to anything reliable (noting
other discussion, it's got a
Sorry, I think I might have been ambiguous. It's the IDE which won't
display the form when it tries to load the project, so it sounds
suspiciously as though I might have to instrument IDE code- and quite
frankly I don't know where to start.
When starting lazarus from console, do you get
On 11.02.2012 12:12, Reimar Grabowski wrote:
glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW);
glLoadIdentity();
These are all deprecated but still available since OpenGL 3 (2008) and removed
in 3.1 (if you create an OpenGL 3 and up only context - 2009), as they belong
to the fixed function pipeline. They
Ludo Brands wrote:
Sorry, I think I might have been ambiguous. It's the IDE which won't
display the form when it tries to load the project, so it sounds
suspiciously as though I might have to instrument IDE code- and quite
frankly I don't know where to start.
When starting lazarus from
When starting lazarus from console, do you get any error
messages in
the console?
Nothing unexpected :-(
0 1markMLl@pye-dev-07:/usr/local/share/lazarus-trunk$ ./*gtk2
Xlib: extension RANDR missing on display localhost:11.0.
TMainIDE.ParseCmdLineOptions:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:48:19 +0100
Sven Barth pascaldra...@googlemail.com wrote:
How would one set matrices then? (= this is a question out of curiosity)
Passing them as uniforms to the shader program for example.
R.
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On 11/02/2012 10:59, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb:
It is not about liking, I think it is just plainly obvious that if
someone downloads our software and builds our docs, presses F1 and
reads [really?] it makes us look ridiculous so it is not acceptable to
have
Ludo Brands wrote:
When starting lazarus from console, do you get any error
messages in
the console?
Nothing unexpected :-(
0 1markMLl@pye-dev-07:/usr/local/share/lazarus-trunk$ ./*gtk2
Xlib: extension RANDR missing on display localhost:11.0.
TMainIDE.ParseCmdLineOptions:
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
Seeing the discussions about annotating the documentation created by
FPDoc, I added support for notes.
(revision 20304)
Thanks :-)
In short:
At the level of the module, topic and element tags, you can now
include a notes tag.
Within the notes tag, you can
On 11/02/2012 10:10, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Anders E. Andersen schrieb:
I just want to say I tend to agree with Martin here. I'd much rather
have something like a discussion page like on a wiki for comments
like that. It doesn't look good as part of the main documentation in
my opinion.
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 12:46:48 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
zeljko schrieb:
Have you tried with LCLIntf.GetSystemMetrics(SM_CYMENUSIZE) ?
I guess it'll return something under win32, but it's not implemented for
others yet (I guess it shouldn't be too hard to implement it)
Ah,
On 11/02/2012 11:26, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb:
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich
drdiettri...@aol.com wrote:
Such an entry is absolutely useless without instructions *what*
should be
implemented at all. If you can't see that
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 15:00:35 Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
If I use the trunk IDE built for Qt rather than GTK2 then the form
displays (some colours might be off), the project will compile but won't
run reliably (thread issues?). To emphasise this, this is with all
project files
On Friday 10 of February 2012 18:48:44 Samuel Herzog wrote:
Hi all,
sorry, but this issue was brought up by me.
I tried to solve http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=1020 which is
almost 7 years old. (reported in 2005)
And I must say, on windows plattform the Lazarus IDE MainBar
On 11/02/2012 11:26, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb:
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich
drdiettri...@aol.com wrote:
Such an entry is absolutely useless without instructions *what*
should be
implemented at all. If you can't see that yourself,
Martin laza...@mfriebe.de hat am 11. Februar 2012 um 14:59 geschrieben:
[...]
We have 3 cases
1) correct and good documentation. No note was ever attached, or if it
was, then it was in error and removal is appropriate
2) empty or meaningless. (can be seen of a kind of wrong, but not
On 11.02.2012 15:10, zeljko wrote:
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 12:46:48 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
zeljko schrieb:
Have you tried with LCLIntf.GetSystemMetrics(SM_CYMENUSIZE) ?
I guess it'll return something under win32, but it's not
implemented for
others yet (I guess it
On 11.02.2012 15:02, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
What about a less structured solution, e.g.
notes XYZ deserves a clarification!/
for an alternative use of the just introduced tag?
(exact syntax to be specified)
That example would be a violation of the XML specification. The
following would
zeljko wrote:
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 15:00:35 Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
If I use the trunk IDE built for Qt rather than GTK2 then the form
displays (some colours might be off), the project will compile but
won't run reliably (thread issues?). To emphasise this, this is with
all
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
Seeing the discussions about annotating the documentation created by FPDoc,
I added support for notes.
(revision 20304)
Thanks :-)
In short:
At the level of the module, topic and element tags, you can now
On 10/2/2012 17:03, Everton Vieira wrote:
Sorry, they are not able to insert or modify, they make nothing when
LookupCache is False.
What Lazarus version are using?
Versions from trunk have no difference when LookupCache is True or False
Can you post a simple example?
Luiz
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Martin schrieb:
We have 3 cases
1) correct and good documentation. No note was ever attached, or if it
was, then it was in error and removal is appropriate
2) empty or meaningless. (can be seen of a kind of wrong, but not
incorrect or untrue).
We do not need a note to tell the end user
Ludo Brands schrieb:
Sorry, I think I might have been ambiguous. It's the IDE which won't
display the form when it tries to load the project, so it sounds
suspiciously as though I might have to instrument IDE code- and quite
frankly I don't know where to start.
When starting lazarus from
When starting lazarus from console, do you get any error
messages in
the console?
That was misleading, see the response :-(
Of interest are eventual error messages occuring when the
application is
started in the IDE (F9).
Put an non-existing component property into a lfm and
Hi Luiz,
you are right. Almost everything can be configured/customized in lazarus IDE.
But this is really important, because first impressions count.
Recently I convinced a colleage to install lazarus.
On the first start, the Lazarus IDE really looks uggly and not so professional.
(on windows
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Ludo Brands schrieb:
Sorry, I think I might have been ambiguous. It's the IDE which won't
display the form when it tries to load the project, so it sounds
suspiciously as though I might have to instrument IDE code- and quite
frankly I don't know where to start.
On 11/02/2012 14:43, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Martin schrieb:
We have 3 cases
1) correct and good documentation. No note was ever attached, or if
it was, then it was in error and removal is appropriate
2) empty or meaningless. (can be seen of a kind of wrong, but not
incorrect or
Sven Barth schrieb:
On 11.02.2012 15:02, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
What about a less structured solution, e.g.
notes XYZ deserves a clarification!/
for an alternative use of the just introduced tag?
(exact syntax to be specified)
That example would be a violation of the XML specification.
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
Why so complicated? Can you give a *reasonable* example of the
intended usage of this feature?
Yes. User notes on a website. This website has been in the pipeline for
a long time.
Sorry, I cannot establish any connection from a website to the notes
syntax and
Sven Barth schrieb:
for non-Windows ? Are you saying that under lclwin32 Form.Width
Form.ClientWidth ?
Quick test on Win32 using 0.9.31 (around two weeks old) using event
handlers for OnShow and OnResize: No, it's not the case.
This is one of the biggest and most annoying differences
Martin schrieb:
They are *intended* to make it *so* worse, that the gurus (Lazarus
team) finally decide to contribute the required documentation, instead
of only inventing new features :-]
That assumes the person who knows the answer is actually looking at that
doc-entry. Not necessarily
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 17:14:40 Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
If I fill in the database login form execution appears to continue,
despite the Execution stopped dialog(ue), with a form displayed which
should display data derived from a database on a server. However nothing
useful is
Ludo Brands wrote:
When starting lazarus from console, do you get any error
messages in
the console?
That was misleading, see the response :-(
Of interest are eventual error messages occuring when the
application is
started in the IDE (F9).
Put an non-existing component property into a
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 17:19:25 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Sven Barth schrieb:
for non-Windows ? Are you saying that under lclwin32 Form.Width
Form.ClientWidth ?
Quick test on Win32 using 0.9.31 (around two weeks old) using event
handlers for OnShow and OnResize: No, it's
On 11/02/2012 15:53, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Martin schrieb:
They are *intended* to make it *so* worse, that the gurus (Lazarus
team) finally decide to contribute the required documentation,
instead of only inventing new features :-]
That assumes the person who knows the answer is
Martin schrieb:
4 ff) incomplete, misleading, inconsistent...
This is the right place for notes, telling the *experts* to let their
experience shine here.
Notes that appear in the end user output are inappropriate.
Why that? Better let the end user run into the open knife? I would
prefer to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
Why so complicated? Can you give a *reasonable* example of the intended
usage of this feature?
Yes. User notes on a website. This website has been in the pipeline for a
long time.
Sorry, I cannot establish
On 11/02/2012 16:49, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
Martin schrieb:
4 ff) incomplete, misleading, inconsistent...
This is the right place for notes, telling the *experts* to let
their experience shine here.
Notes that appear in the end user output are inappropriate.
Why that? Better let the end
On 11/02/2012 17:02, Martin wrote:
On 11/02/2012 16:49, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
Martin schrieb:
4 ff) incomplete, misleading, inconsistent...
This is the right place for notes, telling the *experts* to let
their experience shine here.
Notes that appear in the end user output are
Reading between the lines, it sounds as though I'd be best
going through
all projects and making sure that they build and run properly with
0.9.30 before doing anything else. Thank heavens I set up svn
here a few
months ago.
If that is the route to follow and knowing that 0.9.30
Martin schrieb:
However, if the person, who founds it has the ability to add a note,
then he can also immediately correct it. Knowing it is misleading, does
imply knowing what it was meant to say. So rewording the existing
content should be possible.
In general this is not correct. If I see
On 11/02/2012 17:21, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
Martin schrieb:
However, if the person, who founds it has the ability to add a note,
then he can also immediately correct it. Knowing it is misleading,
does imply knowing what it was meant to say. So rewording the existing
content should be
Ludo Brands wrote:
Reading between the lines, it sounds as though I'd be best
going through
all projects and making sure that they build and run properly with
0.9.30 before doing anything else. Thank heavens I set up svn
here a few
months ago.
If that is the route to follow and knowing
Martin schrieb:
I have no easy reachable list off topics that need attention[1]. So I
can not check if I know the answer.
As described in StyleGuide.txt, the marks haven been choosen for simple
finding, without the need for additional tools. Simple do a search in
directories
Martin schrieb:
It he person is not sure, about it being misleading or not, but believes
it might be. Then better ask first before adding a note
So I should add a note instead: who can clarify this, please contact me
at ... for my questions? ;-)
- incomplete (falls under 2, unless it
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
And now you have the incredible nerve to complain that
...your descriptions have not been very helpful so far, I'm still
waiting for at least one practical example - XML, not usage :-(
Well.
Your reply shows you have not actually read the fpdoc docs (it contains
zeljko schrieb:
This is one of the biggest and most annoying differences between Lazarus
and Delphi: Delphi handles the difference between Width/Height and
ClientWidth/ClientHeight properly, while Lazarus makes no such
distinction :-(
Such change is planned for post 1.0 because it
On 11/02/2012 17:23, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Martin schrieb:
I have no easy reachable list off topics that need attention[1]. So I
can not check if I know the answer.
As described in StyleGuide.txt,
I did entirely miss that one, sorry
the marks haven been choosen for simple finding,
Martin schrieb:
On 11/02/2012 17:21, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
In general this is not correct. If I see that variables mentioned in
the documentation do not exist in the source I don't know automatically
which variables to replace them with (if any). Or when I tested things
and find that it
zeljko wrote:
If I fill in the database login form execution appears to continue,
despite the Execution stopped dialog(ue), with a form displayed
which should display data derived from a database on a server.
However nothing useful is displayed, and a diagnostic (coloured
asterisk) suggests
On Saturday 11 of February 2012 18:27:53 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
zeljko schrieb:
This is one of the biggest and most annoying differences between
Lazarus
and Delphi: Delphi handles the difference between Width/Height and
ClientWidth/ClientHeight properly, while
On 11/02/2012 17:16, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Martin schrieb:
It he person is not sure, about it being misleading or not, but
believes it might be. Then better ask first before adding a note
So I should add a note instead: who can clarify this, please contact
me at ... for my questions?
I hate to admit this, but could you remind me of how to get
library and
X versions? I think you probably do it rather more often than I do :-)
'dpkg --list'. Be prepared for a lot of output :)
Ludo
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On Saturday 11 of February 2012 18:49:15 Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
zeljko wrote:
If I fill in the database login form execution appears to continue,
despite the Execution stopped dialog(ue), with a form displayed
which should display data derived from a database on a server.
However
On 11/02/2012 17:47, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
Martin schrieb:
On 11/02/2012 17:21, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
In general this is not correct. If I see that variables mentioned
in the documentation do not exist in the source I don't know
automatically which variables to replace them with (if
Ludo Brands wrote:
I hate to admit this, but could you remind me of how to get
library and
X versions? I think you probably do it rather more often than I do :-)
'dpkg --list'. Be prepared for a lot of output :)
[Chuckle] although I'm sure that he'd have preferred the upstream
version
On 11/2/12 3:04, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Within the notes tag, you can include one or more note tags.
Why so complicated? Can you give a *reasonable* example of the
intended usage of this feature?
Yes. User notes on a website. This website has been in the pipeline for
a long time.
The
On 11-2-2012 19:27, Howard Page-Clark wrote:
On 11/2/12 3:04, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Yes. User notes on a website. This website has been in the pipeline for
a long time.
The prospect of a website dedicated to discussion of documentation seems
to me to be a helpful move forward. This
On 11.02.2012 15:48, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Ludo Brands schrieb:
Sorry, I think I might have been ambiguous. It's the IDE which won't
display the form when it tries to load the project, so it sounds
suspiciously as though I might have to instrument IDE code- and quite
frankly I don't know
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
And now you have the incredible nerve to complain that
...your descriptions have not been very helpful so far, I'm still waiting
for at least one practical example - XML, not usage :-(
Well.
Your reply shows
On 11.02.2012 16:04, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
Seeing the discussions about annotating the documentation created by
FPDoc, I added support for notes.
(revision 20304)
Thanks :-)
In short:
At the level of
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Howard Page-Clark wrote:
On 11/2/12 3:04, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Within the notes tag, you can include one or more note tags.
Why so complicated? Can you give a *reasonable* example of the
intended usage of this feature?
Yes. User notes on a website. This
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Sven Barth wrote:
On 11.02.2012 16:04, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb:
Seeing the discussions about annotating the documentation created by
FPDoc, I added support for notes.
(revision 20304)
On 11.02.2012 20:35, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Howard Page-Clark wrote:
On 11/2/12 3:04, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Within the notes tag, you can include one or more note tags.
Why so complicated? Can you give a *reasonable* example of the
intended usage of this
Sven Barth wrote:
On 11.02.2012 15:48, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Ludo Brands schrieb:
Sorry, I think I might have been ambiguous. It's the IDE which won't
display the form when it tries to load the project, so it sounds
suspiciously as though I might have to instrument IDE code- and quite
Martin schrieb:
It he person is not sure, about it being misleading or not, but
believes it might be. Then better ask first before adding a note
So I should add a note instead: who can clarify this, please contact
me at ... for my questions? ;-)
ask on the mailinglist
or did your
Is anybody else getting an error when updating Lazarus trunk?
I get it on 3 different systems, using svn, TortoiseSVN and git-svn.
svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error
Juha
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On 11.02.2012 22:11, Juha Manninen wrote:
Is anybody else getting an error when updating Lazarus trunk?
I get it on 3 different systems, using svn, TortoiseSVN and git-svn.
svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error
Yes, I get that error as well.
Regards,
Sven
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On 11/2/2012 19:11, Juha Manninen wrote:
Is anybody else getting an error when updating Lazarus trunk?
I get it on 3 different systems, using svn, TortoiseSVN and git-svn.
svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error
Getting related error on viewvc
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Sven Barth wrote:
On 11.02.2012 20:35, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
[snip]
In fact, not so different from a WIKI, but more structured.
And now:
Since we now have notes, these can be displayed, and edited by all.
Wow... this sounds nice O.O
It's actually a very
Em 11/02/2012, às 12:26, Hans-Peter
Just another idea: Can't we delay a solution to the next release?
Then we can have the annotated documentation in the trunk, and a finalized
version in the release branch.
Unfortunately no, because we are deploying Lazarus Svn for example with our
On 11.02.2012 23:03, felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote:
And a huge amount of people use our snapshots and svn
Especially with 0.9.30 being rather old already and trunk having all
those nice features (and let's not forget support for FPC 2.6 and newer)
Ah, another idea: can we leave
Hello,
I'm interesting in knowing if there is an open source community in
Australia for FPC/Lazarus.
People who does lectures, meetings etc.. ?
Thanks,
Ido
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On 11/02/2012 21:11, Juha Manninen wrote:
Is anybody else getting an error when updating Lazarus trunk?
I get it on 3 different systems, using svn, TortoiseSVN and git-svn.
svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error
yes I do..
I already thoucht, its my local copy
btw
I was
On 11/02/2012 21:10, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Martin schrieb:
It he person is not sure, about it being misleading or not, but
believes it might be. Then better ask first before adding a note
So I should add a note instead: who can clarify this, please
contact me at ... for my questions?
Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com hat am 11. Februar 2012 um
22:10 geschrieben:
[...]
I've found all unmarked entries correct and complete (so far), so that
the next contributor can concentrate on the marked items, and knows what
exactly to research.
Great. :)
How to find these
On 12/02/2012 02:20, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com hat am 11. Februar 2012 um
22:10 geschrieben:
[...]
I've found all unmarked entries correct and complete (so far), so that
the next contributor can concentrate on the marked items, and knows
what
Zeljan,
I'm reassigning the item to you.
thanks,
Dmitry
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich
drdiettri...@aol.com wrote:
zeljko schrieb:
Before any extending of example, open new issue and attach example which
crashes (and explanation how to reproduce please).
After a
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