Re: [Lazarus] Postgresql listen/notify

2012-05-08 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Tuesday 08 May 2012 01:04:06 Leonardo M. Ramé wrote: Hi, does sql-db allows to capture PostgreSql notify events?. If yes, how?. MSEgui fork of sqldb has tdbevent component, see lib/db/msedbevents.pas. Martin -- ___ Lazarus mailing list

[Lazarus] New Component from TSpinEdit

2012-05-08 Thread Robert Angermayr
--- E-Mail ist da wo du bist! Jetzt mit freenetMail ganz bequem auch unterwegs E-Mails verschicken. Am besten gleich informieren unter http://mail.freenet.de/mobile-email/index.html -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

Re: [Lazarus] Removing read-only files in FileUtil.DeleteDirectory ?

2012-05-08 Thread Takeda Matsuki
And what about system-hidden files? Are they already deleted by DeleteDirectory? Do we really need to deleting hidden-file as explicitly ? I'm afraid it would be the worst things, since might the user (not the programmer) didn't know, this is the part of system or not. One might also

[Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hi, I'm following the trial between Oracle vs Google and wondered about the following... Judge Alsup told the jury to assume API's are copyrightable - something Alsup still has to determine later during trial. Now if he does rule that API's are copyrightable, how will this affect the Lazarus and

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Hi, I'm following the trial between Oracle vs Google and wondered about the following... Judge Alsup told the jury to assume API's are copyrightable - something Alsup still has to determine later during trial. Now if he does rule that API's are copyrightable, how will

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 8 May 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, I'm following the trial between Oracle vs Google and wondered about the following... Judge Alsup told the jury to assume API's are copyrightable - something Alsup still has to determine later during trial. Now if he does rule that API's are

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 8-5-2012 9:16, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, I'm following the trial between Oracle vs Google and wondered about the following... Judge Alsup told the jury to assume API's are copyrightable - something Alsup still has to determine later during trial. Now if he does rule that API's are

Re: [Lazarus] Postgresql listen/notify

2012-05-08 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Leonardo M. Ramé wrote: Hi, does sql-db allows to capture PostgreSql notify events?. If yes, how?. Indirectly. You have to set it up using the TPQConnection.Handle since this has long-term persistence, and have to make direct API calls *not* ExecuteDirect() since that uses a temporary

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Žilvinas Ledas
Hello all, relevant recent news is that EU court ruled that APIs and programming languages are not copyrightable: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/05/02/229208/eu-court-rules-apis-programming-languages-not-copyrightable So at least in EU it is totally legal. Regards, Žilvinas On

Re: [Lazarus] Postgresql listen/notify

2012-05-08 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 8 May 2012, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Leonardo M. Ramé wrote: Hi, does sql-db allows to capture PostgreSql notify events?. If yes, how?. Indirectly. You have to set it up using the TPQConnection.Handle since this has long-term persistence, and have to make direct API calls *not*

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 8 May 2012 09:45, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: Now, if he so judges, that would mean the end of the wine, samba and many other open or closed source projects. Indeed, it will have one hell of a knock-on effect. In each case, we are not US-based; a ruling by a US judge does not

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 8 May 2012 10:02, Žilvinas Ledas zilvinas.le...@dict.lt wrote: So at least in EU it is totally legal. Thanks for the link, I'll read that article now. -- Regards,   - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, I'm following the trial between Oracle vs Google and wondered about the following... Judge Alsup told the jury to assume API's are copyrightable - something Alsup still has to determine later during trial. Now

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Now, if he so judges, that would mean the end of the wine, samba and many other open or closed source projects. Why that? I suspect that this would be taken to a higher court by the FSF and other organisations as Redhat, Linux.org. They would all have

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 8 May 2012 09:45, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: At worst it would mean FPC/Lazarus cannot be used in the US. Thinking about it further... I guess even if the judge rules that API's are copyrightable in the US, Embarcadero would have a hard time coming after the FPC project because

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Sven Barth
Am 08.05.2012 10:15, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd: Well, not verbatim. There are differences. Now, if he so judges, that would mean the end of the wine, samba and many other open or closed source projects. I suspect that this would be taken to a higher court by the FSF and other organisations as

Re: [Lazarus] Postgresql listen/notify

2012-05-08 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 08:01:45AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I don't know whether it should be treated as a candidate for an extension to the sql-db API, since as far as I know there's something comparable (implemented very differently) on Firebird but nothing else. If it is table or

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 8 May 2012 09:45, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: At worst it would mean FPC/Lazarus cannot be used in the US. Thinking about it further... I guess even if the judge rules thatAPI's are copyrightable in the US, Embarcadero would have a hard timecoming after the

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Sven Barth wrote: Superficially, Oracle can't wreck Linux since they sell an implementation. However they also own Solaris, and since their high-end kit works better with Solaris than with Linux my own feeling is that they'd like more people to use it. It's not about Oracle wrecking everyone,

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: In the last c't magazine I found an side-cut on the German Bundestrojaner, a spy software developed for the secret service: Since the AV software is booted from a clean CD, and has full control over the machine, there is no disk space where a rootkit or other

Re: [Lazarus] Postgresql listen/notify

2012-05-08 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Marco van de Voort wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 08:01:45AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I don't know whether it should be treated as a candidate for an extension to the sql-db API, since as far as I know there's something comparable (implemented very differently) on Firebird but nothing

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Santiago A.
El 08/05/2012 10:02, Žilvinas Ledas escribió: Hello all, relevant recent news is that EU court ruled that APIs and programming languages are not copyrightable: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/05/02/229208/eu-court-rules-apis-programming-languages-not-copyrightable So at least in EU

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread tw
2012/5/8 Žilvinas Ledas zilvinas.le...@dict.lt: Hello all, relevant recent news is that EU court ruled that APIs and programming languages are not copyrightable: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/05/02/229208/eu-court-rules-apis-programming-languages-not-copyrightable So at least in

Re: [Lazarus] Paintbox.Canvas copyrect problem

2012-05-08 Thread Leonardo M . Ramé
On 2012-05-07 17:29:41 -0300, Leonardo M. Ramé wrote: On 2012-05-07 17:12:46 -0300, Leonardo M. Ramé wrote: On 2012-05-07 16:59:06 -0300, Leonardo M. Ramé wrote: Hi, I'm implementing a Copy to clipboard function to an application. It has to copy the contents of a TPaintBox's Canvas into

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 08/05/2012 10:00, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: In the last c't magazine I found an side-cut on the German Bundestrojaner, a spy software developed for the secret service: Since the AV software is booted from a clean CD, and has full control over the machine,

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Andrew Brunner
Folllow the logic. This trial is about theft. It's not about the API. Having API files that include verbatim code issued by Oracle are issued under a pretense. That pretense is what binds users of Java code to the licencing of the API by Oracle. Oracle is telling google that that it is

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Santiago A. s...@ciberpiula.net wrote: So at least in EU it is totally legal. ... so far. There is a strong pressure on EU to sign ACTA. In fact, many countries in EU have signed ACTA bilaterally

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 8-5-2012 14:07, Andrew Brunner wrote: Folllow the logic. This trial is about theft. It's not about the API. Having API files that include verbatim code issued by Oracle are issued under a pretense. That pretense is what binds users of Java code to the licencing of the API by Oracle.

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 8 May 2012 14:07, Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle is telling google that that it is UNACCEPTABLE for google to take creative ownership over Java.  This problem goes far beyond copying of some API.  Google as made and Oracle product - and Oracle is not happy. This

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: FPC and Lazarus are not interfacing with Delphi, they are cloning Delphi functionality and API [with some minor tweaks of there own], and making a competing product. As far as I can see, this is exactly what

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 8 May 2012 14:07, Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle is telling google that that it is UNACCEPTABLE for google to take creative ownership over Java. This problem goes far beyond copying

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 8 May 2012 14:52, Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: I've never ran a check to see what is different in units. I'm not referring to implementation (source code) - only the API and functionality.  Delphi is Windows ONLY. Not any more. :) As of Delphi XE2 it officially

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 8 May 2012, Andrew Brunner wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 8 May 2012 14:07, Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle is telling google that that it is UNACCEPTABLE for google to take creative ownership over

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: You assumption seems wrong. Oracle bought Sun (which included the Java product) AFTER Android was created/released by Google. That still didn't stop Oracle from taking Google to court. As far as I understand it,

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: Stealing IP ? That depends on your point of view. Ownership is always a perspective issue. We all just try to carve out ownership. Patents offer a way to convert work product into other things. My view is that IP itself is

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 8 May 2012 15:21, Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: Article April 2009  http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/018363 Details specifically from Oracle what i've been trying to tell you. Google purchased the initial developer of the software, Android Inc., in 2005. Then

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: Google purchased the initial developer of the software, Android Inc., in 2005. Then Google later unveiled the Android distribution in 2007. Both events pre-date the Oracle purchase of Sun. The only thing left I

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:15 PM, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: IP is much like the church and its universal truths in the middle ages. I thought we got rid of those shackles, now we get other ones. Instead of church, we have large corporations. -1 please leave Christianism out of your

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 8 May 2012, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:15 PM, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: IP is much like the church and its universal truths in the middle ages. I thought we got rid of those shackles, now we get other ones. Instead of church, we have large

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Andrew Brunner
I wrote church, not christianism. That's a world of difference. I have no problems with individual christians and their belief. That's perception at work. When I read that I had understood it as what Michael has just asserted :-) -- ___ Lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Dimitri Smits
- Oorspronkelijk e-mail - FPC and it's core design have been around prior to Embarcadero's purchase of Delphi from Inprise. At the point of purchase Embarcadero was responsible for objecting to FPC and they could have avoided said purchase. Andrew, that same argument could be made

[Lazarus] Improve message dialog

2012-05-08 Thread Darius Blaszyk
Hi, One of my frustrations with the IDE have been when debugging record or class variables. The data is truncated to 255 characters and it's very difficult to find the appropriate variable within the structure. I have now uploaded a patch (http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=21990) that

Re: [Lazarus] Improve message dialog

2012-05-08 Thread Martin
On 08/05/2012 21:31, Darius Blaszyk wrote: Hi, One of my frustrations with the IDE have been when debugging record or class variables. The data is truncated to 255 characters and it's very difficult to find the appropriate variable within the structure. I have now uploaded a patch

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Andrew Brunner schrieb: FPC and it's core design have been around prior to Embarcadero's purchase of Delphi from Inprise. At the point of purchase Embarcadero was responsible for objecting to FPC and they could have avoided said purchase. Both FPC and Lazarus predate Embarcadero's Delphi.

Re: [Lazarus] Improve message dialog

2012-05-08 Thread Martin
On 08/05/2012 21:31, Darius Blaszyk wrote: Hi, One of my frustrations with the IDE have been when debugging record or class variables. The data is truncated to 255 characters and it's very difficult to find the appropriate variable within the structure. I have now uploaded a patch

[Lazarus] (no subject)

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Mace
Hi All, This question may have been asked several times before, so sorry if I am repeating it. When I am trying to debug, and I hover my mouse over a MyObject.property, I get MyObject has no component named property Am I missing something obvious? Do I need to turn an option on? Thanks in advance

Re: [Lazarus] (no subject)

2012-05-08 Thread Martin
On 08/05/2012 22:12, Richard Mace wrote: Hi All, This question may have been asked several times before, so sorry if I am repeating it. When I am trying to debug, and I hover my mouse over a MyObject.property, I get MyObject has no component named property Am I missing something obvious? Do I

Re: [Lazarus] Embarcadero vs Lazarus/FPC (Oracle vs Google)

2012-05-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Dimitri Smits schrieb: what I'm worried more about is that there are open implementations of the java specification (read: jvm) around. OK, they strive to be api-compliant and implement all the interfaces of the entire JRE libraries and do not tend to cherry-pick features/classes. There