On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 23:28 +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 13 September 2011 22:18, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
Funny how experiences can differ.
I honestly can't think how anybody can say Lazarus debugging is better
than Delphi (or even Kylix 3 from years ago). But as you said, each
On 15/09/2011 18:00, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 23:28 +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
better than with Delphi. That's because when you're debugging on Delphi,
the IDE is scaled down to the feature-level of Notepad.
Normal code navigation (Ctrl+Click) in Delphi 7 [only
On 9/15/11 1:21 PM, Martin wrote:
That means the way they implemented their feature is extremely
inconsistent:
1) in Delphi you are not supposed to edit source wile debugging
2) If inserting lines, in source while debugging (like in Lazarus)
Delphi keeps track of line positions, so the
On 15 September 2011 19:21, Martin wrote:
1) in Delphi you are not supposed to edit source wile debugging
I believe that is their theory, because even in Delphi 7 there is a
option to make all edit buffers read-only when debugging is started.
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Regards,
- Graeme -
On 13/09/2011 23:34, Martin wrote:
And there was no other key shortcut they could have used?
I guess not. ;-)
Ctrl-F7
or context menu: Debug = evaluate
look at the bottom of the window, for giving it a new value.
Cool, thanks for the info.
And for another way to see an entire object
On 13/09/2011 00:12, Martin wrote:
I do not recall having ever had an issue with globals, nor local vars.
Nope, the problem is still there... just as when I tested it back in
2008-2009.
http://opensoft.homeip.net:8080/~graemeg/gdb_issues_with_fpc.png
This exact same code works perfectly
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 14:07 +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 13/09/2011 00:12, Martin wrote:
I do not recall having ever had an issue with globals, nor local vars.
Nope, the problem is still there... just as when I tested it back in
2008-2009.
On 13/09/2011 13:07, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 13/09/2011 00:12, Martin wrote:
I do not recall having ever had an issue with globals, nor local vars.
Nope, the problem is still there... just as when I tested it back in
2008-2009.
On 13/09/2011 14:01, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 14:07 +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 13/09/2011 00:12, Martin wrote:
I do not recall having ever had an issue with globals, nor local vars.
Nope, the problem is still there... just as when I tested it back in
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 15:41 +0100, Martin wrote:
On 13/09/2011 14:01, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 14:07 +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
BTW: is it correct that some info about classes from units without debug
info, does get into the app?
At least if you have an
Am 13.09.2011 15:26, schrieb Martin:
Given that there seems no alternative to gdb yet, and given that your
code can under no circumstances be debugged using gdb = I must say, I
have a huge amount of respect for your archivment of implementing fpgui
without using any debugging at all. WOW. (scnr
An rtl with debug info has advantages such as visibility of global variables.
The disadvantage is that step into also steps into compiler helpers,
like increasing the reference count of an ansistring or setting up an
exception frame. That is the reason, I distribute the RTL for win32
now without
On 13/09/2011 15:49, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 15:41 +0100, Martin wrote:
On 13/09/2011 14:01, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 14:07 +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
BTW: is it correct that some info about classes from units without debug
info, does get
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 17:10 +0200, Vincent Snijders wrote:
An rtl with debug info has advantages such as visibility of global variables.
The disadvantage is that step into also steps into compiler helpers,
like increasing the reference count of an ansistring or setting up an
exception frame.
On 13 September 2011 16:26, Martin wrote:
ShortDateFormat is declared in the RTL
So you need an rtl with debug info.
I realized that as soon as I read Vincents reply. :-) But then, why
does it work in Delphi? I am using Delphi 7, and there is a separate
DEBUG RTL directory, which I am not
On 13/09/2011 19:17, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 13 September 2011 16:26, Martin wrote:
ShortDateFormat is declared in the RTL
So you need an rtl with debug info.
I realized that as soon as I read Vincents reply. :-) But then, why
does it work in Delphi?
Becuase the delphi compiler (not
On 13.09.2011 14:07, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
And yes the inspecting properties could change data is a moot point.
Delphi allows it, and NOBODY complains about the possible data change
issue. The pros far outweigh the cons. We are programmers, we should
know what is dangerous or not - but it
On 13 September 2011 20:50, Martin wrote:
Becuase the delphi compiler (not debugger) does add infor for the those
global vars (but skips any debug info for funtionx)...
Ah, sneaky.
If it is a plain function (not a method), and if it takes no param = try
(without the quotes)
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011, Sven Barth wrote:
On 13.09.2011 14:07, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
And yes the inspecting properties could change data is a moot point.
Delphi allows it, and NOBODY complains about the possible data change
issue. The pros far outweigh the cons. We are programmers, we should
On 13/09/2011 20:31, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
The Watch List window is rather broken as far as I'm concerned.
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=20230
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=18380
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=18379
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=18035
...snip...
Because I use the watch window. I display:
.
And the output looks quite good as well
The Watch List window is rather broken as far as I'm concerned.
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=20230
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=18380
On 13 September 2011 22:18, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
Funny how experiences can differ.
I honestly can't think how anybody can say Lazarus debugging is better
than Delphi (or even Kylix 3 from years ago). But as you said, each
persons mileage my vary. :-)
better than with Delphi. That's
On 13/09/2011 22:28, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
better than with Delphi. That's because when you're debugging on Delphi,
the IDE is scaled down to the feature-level of Notepad.
Normal code navigation (Ctrl+Click) in Delphi 7 [only Delphi I
currently have available] is indeed disabled while
cced to lazarus list. please switch list.
On 12/09/2011 21:28, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Martin schrieb:
Mind, I do NOT want to play down say that the lack of property support.
I didn't notice until now that my problems may be related to
properties. AFAIR I also couldn't inspect global
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