Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
waldo kitty wrote: not that that is our problem or not... Very true, so we leave it at that! :) Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-15 Thread theo
Unfortunately this brings up the idea of aesthetic, Consider the Preferences dialog in Mac Leopard's Mail client: http://web.fastermac.net/~MacPgmr/Lazarus/Screenshots/mail_prefs.jpg http://web.fastermac.net/%7EMacPgmr/Lazarus/Screenshots/mail_prefs.jpg I don't think this dialog has a lot

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2009/11/13 Phil Hess macp...@fastermac.net: Good eye! No, this is the OS X Mail client. After creating as many components as I have in fpGUI, I got accustomed to the idea of paying attention to detail. Lazarus IDE dialogs are a *real* eye-soar for me. But after using Lazarus for so long, I got

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2009/11/14 Henry Vermaak henry.verm...@gmail.com: Sheesh, and they've misspelt colours ;) :-)  Here's firefox on gtk2 with randomly sized buttons: I simply can't get used to the chocolate brown colour theme of Ubuntu. After a new install, that is the first thing I change. -- Regards,

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: After creating as many components as I have in fpGUI, I got accustomed to the idea of paying attention to detail. Lazarus IDE dialogs are a *real* eye-soar for me. Strange, I noticed the same just today in another dialog :-( When I come across it again in my IDE

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-14 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/11/14 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com: 2009/11/14 Henry Vermaak henry.verm...@gmail.com:  Here's firefox on gtk2 with randomly sized buttons: I simply can't get used to the chocolate brown colour theme of Ubuntu. After a new install, that is the first thing I change. Yeah,

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread David Emerson
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Some quick examples were applications don't follow the look feel rules of the platform, yet users have no problems in using them. * Windows Media Player. * latest Microsoft Office with it's new menu+toolbar design * Pixel image editor. It fakes native look. But

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
David Emerson wrote: * almost any antivirus / antispyware program :-) Now that's a good example of awful UI design! I wonder if they actually employee UI designers to purposefully screw the living crap out of their products UI to make cleaning your Windows PC from viruses any harder. The

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Martin wrote: 2) is what Java and fpgui (and afaik msegui) aim for. It is easier for the developper. But the enduser will find an application that is different to any other app he runs on his PC (and therefore harder to use) I guess we will have to agree to

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Florian Klaempfl wrote: Not me ;) E.g. I really hate systems which have switched Ok/Cancel buttons. Ah, so you are one of those users... that don't read the screen and only rely on muscle memory. :-) Hopefully once I have completed to port of MiG layout, that issue would be a thing of the

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/11/13 Graeme Geldenhuys gra...@mastermaths.co.za: Florian Klaempfl wrote: Not me ;) E.g. I really hate systems which have switched Ok/Cancel buttons. Ah, so you are one of those users... that don't read the screen and only rely on muscle memory. :-) Reflex is orders of a magnitude

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Florian Klaempfl wrote: Not me ;) E.g. I really hate systems which have switched Ok/Cancel buttons. Ah, so you are one of those users... that don't read the screen and only rely on muscle memory. :-) Yes, because it's quicker. Or do you look at each key before you

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Florian Klaempfl wrote: Or do you look at each key before you press it :)? OK, you got me on that one. :-) My co-workers hate touching my computer, because I have my keyboard set to Dvorak, but the actual keyboard keys-caps are still in QWERTY. They say I have the best password protection

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Juha Manninen
My co-workers hate touching my computer, because I have my keyboard set to Dvorak, but the actual keyboard keys-caps are still in QWERTY. That is geeky, I must say. Wow! Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Hess, Philip J
From: Hans-Peter Diettrich [drdiettri...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:14 AM To: grae...@opensoft.homeip.net; Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal] This is an argument for a Web (Delphi IntraWeb

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Phil Hess
: From: Hans-Peter Diettrich [drdiettri...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:14 AM To: grae...@opensoft.homeip.net; Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal] This is an argument for a Web (Delphi IntraWeb?) layout, portable across platforms

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Hess, Philip J wrote: From: Hans-Peter Diettrich [drdiettri...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:14 AM To: grae...@opensoft.homeip.net; Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2009/11/13 Phil Hess macp...@fastermac.net: Consider the Preferences dialog in Mac Leopard's Mail client: http://web.fastermac.net/~MacPgmr/Lazarus/Screenshots/mail_prefs.jpg Did you notice the color quoted text comboboxes in the lower left are not equally spaced. I gather that is not an app

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/11/13 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com: 2009/11/13 Phil Hess macp...@fastermac.net: Consider the Preferences dialog in Mac Leopard's Mail client: http://web.fastermac.net/~MacPgmr/Lazarus/Screenshots/mail_prefs.jpg Did you notice the color quoted text comboboxes in the lower

[Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-12 Thread Martin
Bee Jay wrote: 'Lazarus and Free Pascal aim to be write once, compile anywhere for those programs which only use the supported operating system features that share a common design'. And I would've thought that this was obvious. There are just some things you cannot abstract/emulate.

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-12 Thread Bee Jay
Well the understanding of cross platform is quite varying. The base obviously is that one source code can be executed on all of the supported platforms. In my understanding, there are 3 kinds of cross platform implementation: 1. Cross platform is implemented within an virtual environment

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-12 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Martin wrote: 2) is what Java and fpgui (and afaik msegui) aim for. It is easier for the developper. But the enduser will find an application that is different to any other app he runs on his PC (and therefore harder to use) I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the part that it's

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-12 Thread Martin
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Martin wrote: 2) is what Java and fpgui (and afaik msegui) aim for. It is easier for the developper. But the enduser will find an application that is different to any other app he runs on his PC (and therefore harder to use) I guess we will have to agree to