RE: ClickOnce (was: Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net)

2006-11-14 Thread George Birbilis
Does ClickOnce run on FireFox? Think it does btw, here's some link on ClickOnce http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/t71a733d.aspx This is much better higher level description of ClickOnce http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa497348.aspx At the bottom of this page has

Re: ClickOnce (was: Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net)

2006-11-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Ahh. Come on. I first thougth ClickOnce was a way to run windows application as client-side web applications. Now I see it´s just a new way to install software! Horrible. Microsoft just reinvented software installing, WOW It´s the 2.0 version of the autorun for pendrives and cdroms

Re: ClickOnce (was: Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net)

2006-11-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
This is another thing about microsoft. They create a great marketing slogan, make it seam like a wonderful thing. Then you start reading, feel like an idiot for not understanding what it does. Yet, it seams wonderful, althougth you have no idea what it really does. And after a while you realise

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-06 Thread Al Boldi
George Birbilis wrote: I´ve already done some project on PHP, and it´s biggest problem is that it takes too long to do trivial tasks such as create a simple data-aware page. They use others' snippets a lot and copy-pasting leads to spaghetti as usual That's not really PHP's problem; you

IronPython (was: RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net)

2006-11-04 Thread George Birbilis
For those guys that liked Python, I think the following is a compiler, not interpretter: (it's IronPython for .NET, they say for ASP.net below cause they recently released an integration package for using IronPython with VS.net and ASP.net more easily) Microsoft IronPython for ASP.NET

Re: IronPython (was: RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net)

2006-11-04 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: For those guys that liked Python, I think the following is a compiler, not interpretter: First, what has this to do with lazarus? This isn't discussion related but plain advertisment. Further, no .Net language is really compiled but only translated into CLI: see all

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread Chad Crabtree
On 10/30/06, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. ASP.NET ties you to the Windows IIS server.Apache is still the mostused webserver, PHP the most used web scripting language.As a avid web developer I feel it worth mentioning that PHP is on it's way out. It is my somewhat informed

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Chad Crabtree wrote: On 10/30/06, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. ASP.NET ties you to the Windows IIS server. Apache is still the most used webserver, PHP the most used web scripting language. As a avid web developer I feel it worth mentioning

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
As a avid web developer I feel it worth mentioning that PHP is on it's way out. I´ve already done some project on PHP, and it´s biggest problem is that it takes too long to do trivial tasks such as create a simple data-aware page. In each case, I'm confident that Morfik will outdo ASP.Net

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread Andreas Berger
Anyway, as I said, all is a mater of personal taste, the more options a menu offers to choose from, the better ;o) No. Using .Net is simply stupid and destroying your own. Some people don't get this because they are almost brainwashed by MS but one can't help them anyways anymore. Now,

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: I wouldn't call the Ximian guys bad ones (even after they were bought by Novell), nor the GNU guys, do you? Well, I guess you got that Microsoft invented .Net and holds the .Net patents? Or didn't they tell you this at your lessons about marketing .Net? I don't get

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread George Birbilis
that they used decompilation to make sure some features would be implemented in mono exactly as they were implemented in the .NET version of Microsoft I meant to say used decompilation to make sure some features would behave in mono exactly as they behave in the .NET version of Microsoft in

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread George Birbilis
Sorry for replying after sometime, some of your mails had gone to my junk folder - What .NET version to target? Any version. That 9 folds the amount of work, since the whole lib must be done several times. The lib and IDE are / should be written in Pascal, so one just makes the FPC

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-04 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Sir, Respectfully, I think you should go to sourceforge.net, create a new project (could be called fpc4dotnet or anything else you like), and then create a new mailling list to discuss your project. In here you can discuss Lazarus supporting plugins, and things like that. At this point, this

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-02 Thread Lepidosteus
On 11/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting David Mears [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only two things Pascal really misses for me are think ability to natively link with C++, and keyword level associative arrays. The later What do you mean by keyword level associative arrays ?

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-02 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Lepidosteus wrote: On 11/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting David Mears [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only two things Pascal really misses for me are think ability to natively link with C++, and keyword level associative arrays. The later What

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-02 Thread George Birbilis
Maybe not enough people have enough interest in Lazarus future at all Anyway you can put up a poll if you wish e.g. at the Lazarus site Since the numbers increase steadily Lazarus is definitvely on the right way. Following some shitty technology done by the bad ugly guy in the IT world

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-02 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: Maybe not enough people have enough interest in Lazarus future at all Anyway you can put up a poll if you wish e.g. at the Lazarus site Since the numbers increase steadily Lazarus is definitvely on the right way. Following some shitty technology done by the bad ugly

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-02 Thread George Birbilis
People always ask me what prgmLang to use, so I ask them which OS, when they say Windows, I say go VS. I ask what do you want to do?. I'd say to them the same, but this is for standalone programmers and small flexible teams of deeply knowledgeable (and thus adaptable) programmers. For

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-02 Thread George Birbilis
I wouldn't call the Ximian guys bad ones (even after they were bought by Novell), nor the GNU guys, do you? Well, I guess you got that Microsoft invented .Net and holds the .Net patents? Or didn't they tell you this at your lessons about marketing .Net? I don't get such lessons from MS,

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread George Birbilis
Can we stop this stupid thread now. Talking about .NET for 14 days now! What does this have to do with lazarus? do you think talking about a popular platform and whether Lazarus and FPC should consider targetting it in the future is crap? As you wish... anyway, we can rename any future

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: Portable.NET is interesting stuff too (different beast from Ximian/Novell's Mono and from the reference CLR implementation or .NET runtime from MS) George Birbilis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Microsoft MVP J# 2004-2006 Borland Spirit of Delphi

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:55:23AM +0200, George Birbilis wrote: later. But I don't see FPC improving anything in ASP.NET, or having aspirations to do so. FPC could be used as backend language for ASP.net apps (similar to how one can use Borland and Chrome compilers), since ASP.net is

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:41:50PM -0800, johnf wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 14:12, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think full time python programmers are more rare than full time pascal/delphi programmers. First let me say I'm not disagreeing or agreeing. But I hope it's true. I just

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread George Birbilis
.NET isn't a platform, it's a framework (a bad one). This is your opinion, accepted, but unfounded If you talk about a platform you should consider porting fpc to the CLR. Why? To compile to a platform you don't need to run on that platform the compiler itself If you need such a thing

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread johnf
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 00:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:41:50PM -0800, johnf wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 14:12, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think full time python programmers are more rare than full time pascal/delphi programmers. First let me

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: .NET isn't a platform, it's a framework (a bad one). This is your opinion, accepted, but unfounded This is a fact. Maybe not enough people have enough interest in Lazarus future at all Anyway you can put up a poll if you wish e.g. at the Lazarus site Since the

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 04:53:40PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: Marco van de Voort wrote: Despite all FUD, afaik Delphi is still development system number #2 by sales, after MS' VS. But that is a far behind #2. No surprise though; it's pretty dumb to develop on Windows with anything other

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-11-01 Thread lazarus . mramirez
Quoting David Mears [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only two things Pascal really misses for me are think ability to natively link with C++, and keyword level associative arrays. The later What do you mean by keyword level associative arrays ?

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:57:53AM +0200, George Birbilis wrote: 3. ASP.NET ties you to the Windows IIS server. Apache is still the most used webserver, PHP the most used web scripting language. Nope, ASP.net runs on Apache too (even without using mono, but classic .NET runtime) As far

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, George Birbilis wrote: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future. Given that in Vista about 40 out

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future. Please stop spreading this FUD. This is the lazarus mailing

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Florian Klaempfl
johnf schrieb: If writting a wrapper was easy why haven't we got a completed QT interface? Because Qt is GPL or expensive so few people are really interessted in it. Why does the GTK2 have so many bugs? I use lazarus gtk2 now daily and it works fine. With regard to the speed of

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Florian Klaempfl wrote: George Birbilis schrieb: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future.

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Florian Klaempfl wrote: George Birbilis schrieb: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Marco van de Voort wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:57:53AM +0200, George Birbilis wrote: 3. ASP.NET ties you to the Windows IIS server. Apache is still the most used webserver, PHP the most used web scripting language. Nope, ASP.net runs on Apache too (even

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, George Birbilis wrote: 1. Uniform database access was available through ODBC already. ODBC was and is an accepted standard. .NET data access is necessarily slower and more cumbersome. If ODBC was good, then why did Borland give for years its own database

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread George Birbilis
I read the other day on OSNews about a company that developed a Object Pascal compiler, that compiles to Java Bytecode. Maybe that will be of interest to you. Search OSNews if you want to read the article. thanks, will check it out, hadn't heard of it (hope they don't mean Apple's older

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, Μπιρμπίλης Γιώργος [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, this is the official word from Microsoft. After all I'm a Microsoft MVP. What is a MVP? The question is whether Lazarus will be flexible enough at that time to adapt. So better plan ahead a bit (say start by studying .NET a bit

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread George Birbilis
Avalon etc. will be available on older OS'es too than Vista, just not running natively (emulated or something) Ummm... Just like DirectX 10??? Yes, it's a schedule issue, has been mentioned in the past by Microsoft, that other platforms will follow either with native implementation or with

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:02:13PM -0800, johnf wrote: If writting a wrapper was easy why haven't we got a completed QT interface? The same reason as why GTK exists at all. QT had license problems for a long while. There simply was not much interest. Moreover, Lazarus is way more than a

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, George Birbilis wrote: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future. Given that in Vista

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future. Given that in Vista about 40 out of 2000 core libraries

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread George Birbilis
I don't see why one would consider Win32 API a better architecture than .NET. My experience is different (I've been programming from 1986-87 or something on various languages and platforms including microprogramming and bytecoding by hand) It's better because it can be accessed from any

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those are commercial products, plus not opensource. Borland Turbo Delphi for .NET Explorer is free, but only for personal use I think (maybe also free for free/opensource projects? Not sure) and Chrome's command-line compiler is only

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread George Birbilis
I'm speaking of MS new APIs and products. Yes, which are dropped after a few years, see e.g. VB. VB.net is VB on steroids in my opinion. Although I loved Turbo Basic and PowerBasic, I never liked VB6 but Delphi instead (maybe cause I also liked Turbo Pascal and Borland Pascal [but TurboVision

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: I'm speaking of MS new APIs and products. Yes, which are dropped after a few years, see e.g. VB. VB.net is VB on steroids in my opinion. This doesn't help people losing their old code base. People followed another Microsoft hype and now they are lost. I didn't

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Alex
Please, please, please. STOP spreading this FUD. This is the lazarus mailing list and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] now all we know that you are a MVP but please, don´t make more merits. I am another programmer that think that .NET is not the solution. Don´t sell us .NET. I have never need it,

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Ah, that triggered my memory... Here is the link. http://www.webcom.com/mhc/pascal.html Graeme. On 31/10/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only found some stuff on Modula-2 (the descendent of Pascal) http://freepages.modula2.org/oldnew.html

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I'd see Lazarus support .NET is cause it's a target platform separate from Win32 that it should take really seriously in my opinion Yes, sure, there are lot´s of target platforms separate from Win32, like SymbianOS, Java, PalmOS,

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are there FPC class libraries specially for WinCE features We have some special libraries, like this: http://ccrdu.de/docs/pkCEStuff.htm But generally we just use Cross-platform solutions that work everywhere. For database you can use

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:57:25AM +0200, George Birbilis wrote: - What .NET version to target? Any version. That 9 folds the amount of work, since the whole lib must be done several times. Visual Studio.net can do similarly (you select the target .NET framework dependency [can be set to

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread johnf
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 03:35, Marco van de Voort wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:02:13PM -0800, johnf wrote: If writting a wrapper was easy why haven't we got a completed QT interface? The same reason as why GTK exists at all. QT had license problems for a long while. There simply

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread George Birbilis
For your example about serial communication, see general multiplatform hardware access tutorial here: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Hardware_Access Thanks, see http://www.mech.upatras.gr/~robgroup/teams/logic/demos/kaidan/index.html in case your think it has something useful for porting

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * For example apps deployable via both offline media and network URLs or webpages, that can check for updates automatically or manually and autoupdate from the web, You don´t need .NET for that. Just write a component that automatically

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread George Birbilis
That app is alive online after several years (was made with VS.net 2002 and .NET1.0) Initial project was just 1euro including the cleanup of the original VB6 Outsourced to China? Nope, implemented by myself: 1) Kept the ADO stuff instead of going to ADO.net (worked fine under

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, Lepidosteus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now this thread gets interesting ... Is this just a plain new idea (maybe coming from this topic), or something already discussed between the devs ? http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2file=viewtopict=2489highlight=intraweb

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks,see http://www.mech.upatras.gr/~robgroup/teams/logic/demos/kaidan/index.html in case your think it has something useful for porting to Lazarus sample code (or if anyone want to make tutorials on how to convert serial accesscode from

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:08:46AM -0800, johnf wrote: Now you really spoiled it. The only Ruby app I know is the FreeBSD portupgrade package, and it is unbearably slow. OK guys I like FPC because it's compiled. What I'm suggesting is the OOP in python works. Is it perfect - no (no

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/31/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does ClickOnce run on FireFox?Think it does.BTW, I suppose FireFox does support Netscape-style plugin DLLs for runningstuff inside a webpage (.NET provides a host ActiveX control and plugin forWinForm controls and J# WebBrowser controls [=Java

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 12:10:07PM -0800, johnf wrote: I am of the opinion that there maybe 1000's of apps written in Python. But I could be wrong. However, I suggest you look at the job openings for python programmers - http://www.python.org/community/jobs/ - for this month alone. I

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread johnf
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 14:12, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think full time python programmers are more rare than full time pascal/delphi programmers. First let me say I'm not disagreeing or agreeing. But I hope it's true. I just wonder what evidence you have. I could use the evidence to

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread Uwe Grauer
George Birbilis wrote: There are a few .net resources here: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Using_Pascal_Libraries_with_.NET_and_Mono thanks not sure if you mention the GNU C# compiler there btw, might be helpful to some people (compiles C# to native code, without dependency on .NET

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-31 Thread George Birbilis
Does ClickOnce run on FireFox?Think it does.BTW, I suppose FireFox does support Netscape-style plugin DLLs for runningstuff inside a webpage (.NET provides a host ActiveX control and plugin forWinForm controls and J# WebBrowser controls [=Java applet class]) But Firefox doesn´t support

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread George Birbilis
Why is it that every body and anything got a Dot Net version? Cause .NET is a new and carefully designed OOP platform Even Borland's got a dot net enabled Delphi coming it seems. Delphi supports .NET since version 8 (version 7 had a preview .NET compiler if I remember well - a command-line

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, George Birbilis wrote: Why is it that every body and anything got a Dot Net version? Cause .NET is a new and carefully designed OOP platform That's what they want you to believe of course. Reality is: Nothing new under the sun :) [cut] My colleagues in other

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 30/10/06, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nonsense. I improve every day. I don't waste my time learning another language. I do learn new exciting things every day, and I apply them best and fastest using the language I know best: Object Pascal. Learning a new programming language

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread George Birbilis
My colleagues in other departments like Physics and Math regret they dint go the CS route. But I regret I dint stick to Physics or Mathematics. In these an Equation is always an equation. We dont have another company coming up and throwing away an equation for a new one. And

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread George Birbilis
PM To: 'lazarus@miraclec.com' Subject: RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net My colleagues in other departments like Physics and Math regret they dint go the CS route. But I regret I dint stick to Physics or Mathematics. In these an Equation is always an equation. We dont have

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Klaempfl
George Birbilis schrieb: Who says you have to learn a new language? Since Borland did it with Delphi.net and provided Object Pascal compiler for .NET with not many changes to Object Pascal language, then FreePascal can also do it. And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 30/10/06, Florian Klaempfl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform. Yes, Mono is trying to make it

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread David Mears
Florian Klaempfl wrote: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Klaempfl
David Mears schrieb: What are you talking about, think about all the speed, power and control you can give up in exchange for lots of extra programming time! Feel free to use VS and get a happy hyper :) _ To unsubscribe: mail

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Cesar Romero
And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform. Yes, Mono is trying to make it cross-platform, but they are forever going to play the

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Cesar Romero schrieb: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform. Yes, Mono is trying to make it cross-platform, but they are forever

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Oro06
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: of skills, and on top I would know all these languages only superficially. agreed 200% and then RAD became RTTW (Rapid To The Wall) ;-) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread David Mears
Nah, the only language I ever loved was Pascal. I never cared for anything that didn't compile to an executable of some sort. All of my scripts are written in pascal rather than bash, Perl, or Python. Consequentially, all of my scripts are lightening fast. When there's a Linux version of

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:15:07PM +0200, George Birbilis wrote: Why is it that every body and anything got a Dot Net version? Cause .NET is a new and carefully designed OOP platform As already said by others, the principles are not so new. Java of course, but also UCSD and a lot other GCed

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:01:04PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: George Birbilis wrote: If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via plugin packages, it would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and Borland's Object Pascal compilers for .NET I love plug-ins!

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Marco van de Voort
The only two things Pascal really misses for me are think ability to natively link with C++, and keyword level associative arrays. Did you have a look at unit contnrs? If that fails, have a look at decal (in contribs SVN). _

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Cesar Romero
But where is the advantage ? Use code done and well tested, yes is a advantage, maybe not for you or me, but someone can have the right to think that is a advantage. Eg: When I start to write my OPF, tiOPF was there, stable and beautifull, but doesnt matches with my needs at that moment.

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 30/10/06, Cesar Romero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eg: When I start to write my OPF, tiOPF was there, stable and beautifull, but doesnt matches with my needs at that moment. Could you mention what was wrong or missing in tiOPF to fulfill your needs? What needs would that be? I'm always

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Al Boldi
Marco van de Voort wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:01:04PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: George Birbilis wrote: If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via plugin packages, it would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and Borland's Object Pascal compilers for

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread johnf
Python is nice OOP language Can you name apps? Afaik it is mostly used for a bit of in application scripting and some webapps. But is it really a Delphi replacement? I doubt it. What does it use for GUI btw? I assume you are not kidding about the apps. IMHO smart (a package updater written in

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Cesar Romero
Hy Graeme, Could you mention what was wrong or missing in tiOPF to fulfill your needs? What needs would that be? I'm always interesting in ideas that can improve tiOPF. I think that not wrong, just missing something at that time, I cant remember right, it was more than 3 years ago, and after

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Marc Weustink
George Birbilis wrote: If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via plugin packages, it would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and Borland's Object Pascal compilers for .NET You more or less already can. Go to the compiler options, last tab. Change the Compiler

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Alexsander Rosa
I'm not a Java fan, but I have a say about this: Java is one language, many platforms. .NET is many languages, one platform. If we consider that Free Pascal is also one language, many platforms and DOES NOT require a Virtual Machine, we are better served here. 2006/10/30, Marc Weustink [EMAIL

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Klaempfl
johnf schrieb: Python is nice OOP language Can you name apps? Afaik it is mostly used for a bit of in application scripting and some webapps. But is it really a Delphi replacement? I doubt it. What does it use for GUI btw? I assume you are not kidding about the apps. IMHO smart (a package

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:57:57 +0100 (CET) Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Cesar Romero wrote: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. [...] So

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Lepidosteus
I know it has been said here and there already, but a great addition to lazarus/fpc would be RAD web developpment. Aka develop your website using pascal and let the always-the-same-boring-ugly-hard-to-figure-out javascript code be made automagically. AFAIK, IntraWeb while very powerfull now only

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Since there's VCL.net port from Borland, Lazarus could also support .NET and do similar port of its GUI libs in the future. You got it all backwards. Exactly because there is VCL.NET and also Chrome is that we definetively don't need a Free Pascal port to .NET, after all Object Pascal users are

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Howard Lee Harkness
I do not recognize the reference to .PAS -- is this part of the FPC or Lazarus? If it's not, it needs a more 'searchable' name. On 10/30/06, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:57:57 +0100 (CET)Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Cesar

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 10/30/06, Howard Lee Harkness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not recognize the reference to .PAS -- is this part of the FPC or Lazarus? If it's not, it needs a more 'searchable' name. It was a joke. He was demonstrating how one can suddently use something that already existed to create a

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread George Birbilis
And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future. See article (from some years ago) on Borland community website by vice-president and

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 31/10/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform. Yes, Mono is trying to make it cross-platform, but they are forever going to play the catch-up game! Microsoft will keep dictating .NET and forever break Mono. And

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 31/10/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Java fan, but I have a say about this: Java is one language, many platforms. Java is one language (there had been efforts to make other compilers produce Java bytecode, esp. C/C++ but Sun wasn't very happy about it in the past

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 31/10/06, George Birbilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft. Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future. Don't count on that! Most

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-30 Thread Oro06
George Birbilis wrote: RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net If you target .NET you have much of that stuff ready (for that target at least), e.g. .NET Compact Framework for WinCE/PocketPC i used to prototype and compare both vs and fpc for ppc progs. and there was no doubt, even

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-19 Thread Thomas Miller
Florian Klaempfl wrote: Thomas Miller wrote: I think most people are interested in ASP.Net as it makes developing web aps almost as easy as developing native aps in Delphi. I still use Delphi for native and Chrome with ASP.Net for web development.

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net

2006-10-19 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Thomas Miller schrieb: Florian Klaempfl wrote: Thomas Miller wrote: I think most people are interested in ASP.Net as it makes developing web aps almost as easy as developing native aps in Delphi. I still use Delphi for native and Chrome with ASP.Net for web development.

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