Micha Nelissen ha scritto:
Giuliano Colla wrote:
suggested to switch to C++. In the discussion which followed, I realized
that he believed Delphi to be an interpreted language, sort of Visual
Basic, and that he had no idea that it was object Pascal. Just one case,
but significant.
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ha scritto:
On 6/19/06, Giuliano Colla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was astonished
to discover that FPC was actually an objective Pascal, and that the
Lazarus layer was just addding IDE and LCL.
Probably you should read the history of Object Pascal:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Giuliano Colla wrote:
My point was that the name must carry the idea. The name Delphi doesn't.
Indeed.
I mentioned only yesterday that I can program in Object Pascal.
The Delphi programmer in front of me asked:
'Yes, but can you program in delphi' ?
:-)
Michael.
My point was that the name must carry the idea. The name Delphi doesn't.
Agree! That's why I prefer to promote Lazarus rather than FPC itself. This way
I'll promote FPC automatically since Lazarus run upon FPC. Lazarus isn't implied
by the bad assumptions of Pascal. Even sometimes (in
If you can't program, then who can?
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 11:17 +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Giuliano Colla wrote:
My point was that the name must carry the idea. The name Delphi doesn't.
Indeed.
I mentioned only yesterday that I can program in Object
Since this is a forum for PASCAL developers, donchathink that's preaching to the choir?DDBisma Jayadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who starts these useless threads anyway?I did. IMO this is not useless and I never intended this thread to be a language flame discussion. I just wanted to show that
Hi List:
Please, stop speaking of Free Pascal/Pascal/Lazarus/Delphi if obsolete
or not. Yust is my desicion wath I want to use to make something and I
want Free Pascal/Pascal/Lazarus/Delphi
Thank's, but... stop please!!
George Lober escribió:
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote
On 6/20/06, HardMaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi List:
Please, stop speaking of Free Pascal/Pascal/Lazarus/Delphi if obsolete
or not. Yust is my desicion wath I want to use to make something and I
want Free Pascal/Pascal/Lazarus/Delphi
Thank's, but... stop please!!
Why? It's funny
Who starts these useless threads anyway?
I did. IMO this is not useless and I never intended this thread to be a language
flame discussion. I just wanted to show that there are still ignorant C/C++
programmers out there that think pascal is obsolete. But the discussion has
change along the
at the risk of continuing this thread into something that is OT, or
becomes some sort of language debate ...
On 6/19/06, Thierry Coq (Personnel) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, about inner classes and Java : it's a destructive construct in
Java for design, coming from the strange notion a
Hello Tony,
Tony Pelton a écrit :
i've been using Java forever. as far as i can recall, inner classes
and anonymous classes have been in the language since its inception.
they were not added.
I remember inner classes were added to Java 1.1. They are not originally
part of Java 1.0. Same
Who starts these useless threads anyway?My $.02.Daniel"Thierry Coq (Personnel)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tony,Tony Pelton a écrit : i've been using Java forever. as far as i can recall, inner classes and anonymous classes have been in the language since its inception. they were not
Before ranting at me, please listen. I'm not joking. The very name
Pascal is the problem.
I'm no casual user.
I'm programming since the mid 60's. The first language I learned was
Fortran, but as soon as I met a structured language, like Algol, I
adopted it immediately. I became a fan of
Giuliano Colla wrote:
suggested to switch to C++. In the discussion which followed, I realized
that he believed Delphi to be an interpreted language, sort of Visual
Basic, and that he had no idea that it was object Pascal. Just one case,
but significant.
This undermines your own reasoning:
Hi,
that reminds me that in (some) faculty, they keep changing the name of
the course, hoping that it will atract more students:
Instead of teaching calculus they teach mathematics for the
communication engineers
Instead of teaching electromagnetism, they teach optical fiber
transmission
On 6/19/06, Gustavo Enrique Jimenez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me, the old discussion about obsoleteness of Pascal is pointless.
Yes it is.
It sadly reminds me of all those threads on borland newsgroups about
Delphi being dead. A quick search on google groups will shows threads
like that
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:00:01 -0300
Luiz Americo Pereira Camara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:19:19 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time)
Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
Regular
At 11:20 16/06/2006, you wrote:
5. Associative/anonymous classes (like in script language).
No way. Why completely change the pascal OO semantics for doing
something that can be done already in other ways and that can be done
on enviroments that was really meant for it (i.e. JavaScript)
Tony Pelton wrote:
Classes with indexed properties work and look like associative arrays.
how do index'ed properties help you store objects by a key ?
Something like:
type
THash = class(TObject)
protected
function GetItem(AKey: string): string;
procedure SetItem(AKey, NewValue):
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:03:19 +0200
Micha Nelissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony Pelton wrote:
Classes with indexed properties work and look like associative arrays.
how do index'ed properties help you store objects by a key ?
Something like:
type
THash = class(TObject)
On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. class that can have more then one object as it's parent (at this
Multiple Inheretance. Difficult to understand, difficult to implement,
but I have a problem where multiple inheretance was the solution, instead
of multiples interfaces.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
3. Better/Faster IO usage ;)
Better designed I/O libraries/classes ?
Better way to control the I/O buffering etc... so we will not need to
hack our way to have bigger container then 255 chars...
Perhaps even better: Automatically adapting
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:03:19 +0200
Micha Nelissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony Pelton wrote:
Classes with indexed properties work and look like associative arrays.
how do index'ed properties help you store objects by a key ?
Something like:
type
THash =
1. class that can have more then one object as it's parent (at this
Multiple Inheretance. Difficult to understand, difficult to implement,
but I have a problem where multiple inheretance was the solution,
instead of multiples interfaces.
Difficult ? While interfaces does not have any
It is really nice to see the way Pascal is being pushed in many areas - Chrome,
FPC, etc. I'd however like to see Pascal being moved into other areas as well.
Like being able to compile Pascal to JavaByte code (Dont send me links on why
FPC cant - I've read them all - I still would like it
OK I'll answer everything from this email ...
On 6/16/06, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
3. Better/Faster IO usage ;)
Better designed I/O libraries/classes ?
Better way to control the I/O buffering etc... so we will not need to
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, ik wrote:
OK I'll answer everything from this email ...
On 6/16/06, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
3. Better/Faster IO usage ;)
Better designed I/O libraries/classes ?
Better way to control the I/O
2006/6/16, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
6. inline code inside class (like in C++/Java).
Not recommended. Bad design.
Huh ?!
destructor Destroy; override;
begin
inherited Destroy;
end;
Why should i place it somewhere else ?! To remind you, I could use
inline
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:00:42 +0300
ik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
7. Build in regex syntax like in Perl, Ruby Javascript.
Replace it, by a library.
Why ?!
S := 'We are programming in Perl';
S :=~ s/Perl/Pascal/s;
Doesn't it nicer then to use something like:
S
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:19:19 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time)
Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
Regular expressions are great for simple text conversions. I use them
very often, except when I need speed.
Under Perl you can create a
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
In OO the implementation should be separate from the interface. Of
course this is a matter of taste and the used Editor.
No, it's a matter of correct separation of interface and implementation.
Implementation should
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:19:19 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time)
Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
Regular expressions are great for simple text conversions. I use them
very often, except when I need speed.
http://online-judge.uva.es/board/viewtopic.php?t=10919
These people need to get out of their boat to see the world! :D
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http://beeography.wordpress.com
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Well, this is normal.
All the C/C++ developers always say the same thing. For C/C++ developers, only exists C/C++. Probably, they sense _cool_ for this. Is the hackers life.
Today, i readed a message in a spanish web, about ADA. Well, a user post a comment about, ADA is not good because his
and powerfull
2006/6/15, Adilson Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Bisma Jayadi escreveu:
http://online-judge.uva.es/board/viewtopic.php?t=10919 These people need to get out of their boat to see the world! :DI learned to ignore this kind of discussion ages
Subject: Re: [lazarus] pascal is obsolete?
I learned to ignore this kind of discussion ages ago.
I'm one of people who think that we can't just ignore this kind of wrong
assumption. IMO, we must show the world (in our scope, of course) that pascal
is
not that kind of toy and obsolete language
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, William Cairns wrote:
Why have their never been any successful Pascal dirivitive languages?
Because pascal is perfect. Why change a perfect language ?
Michael.
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On Thursday 15 June 2006 08:23, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, William Cairns wrote:
Why have their never been any successful Pascal dirivitive languages?
Because pascal is perfect. Why change a perfect language ?
Michael.
What about Delphi, Modula 2, Action, the Apple
Good answer lol
Well, Java is like CAda is like Pascal etc..
Much languajes (can you say all except C) has something from Pascal.
2006/6/15, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, William Cairns wrote: Why have their never been any successful Pascal dirivitive
This one might be interesting - History of computer languages:
http://www.digibarn.com/collections/posters/tongues/ComputerLanguagesChart.png
As you see, with creation of Object Pascal the Pascal language is
absolutely finished and there is nothing more to be added to it.
BTW almost the same is
2006 14:30 PM
To: lazarus@miraclec.com
Subject: Re: [lazarus] pascal is obsolete?
On Thursday 15 June 2006 08:23, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, William Cairns wrote:
Why have their never been any successful Pascal dirivitive languages?
Because pascal is perfect. Why change
On 6/15/06, Alexander Todorov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Borland is one company that provides commercial pascal compilers I
haven't heard of others.
Maybe not for windows =)
But for mobiles:
http://www.midletpascal.com/
In the past both Microsoft and Apple provided pascal compilers. There
was
At 11:20 15/06/2006, you wrote:
http://online-judge.uva.es/board/viewtopic.php?t=10919
These people need to get out of their boat to see the world! :D
-Bee-
As Peter 'N' Lewis said some years ago in an
interview (They asked why does he choose Pascal
for development and not c or c++)
' I
On 6/15/06, Alexander Todorov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This one might be interesting - History of computer languages:
http://www.digibarn.com/collections/posters/tongues/ComputerLanguagesChart.png
As you see, with creation of Object Pascal the Pascal language is
absolutely finished and there is
On 6/15/06, William Cairns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was thinking more in the line of the way Java has taken over the world.
This all has to do with Sun Mirosystems, a lot of money and marketing
strategies.
Things that FPC/Lazarus doesn't have ATM.
I'd however like to see Pascal being moved
At 14:23 15/06/2006, you wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, William Cairns wrote:
Why have their never been any successful Pascal dirivitive languages?
Because pascal is perfect. Why change a perfect language ?
It's not needed. Pascal is a designed language by engineers, so it
has a slow study
On 6/15/06, William Cairns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Like being able to compile Pascal to JavaByte code (Dont send me links on why
FPC cant - I've read them all - I still would like it though)
Althought a nice feature to have this isn´t indispensable. We can just
port Free Pascal to almost all
On 6/15/06, Alexander Todorov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The key to increasing pascal usage is promotion. Something like
Microsoft and Sun do about their products. They are not the best but
they urge you to use them, promote them in various ways and in the end
there is the result.
Depends very
On 6/15/06, William Cairns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Midlet Pascal is nice - but it:
2. Not activly developed.
Really? The last version is from January, doesn´t seam so far away.
If so, maybe talking to the right people could get it open sourced.
More to do maintenance, avoid death, and build
Midlet Pascal is nice - but it:
2. Not activly developed.
Really? The last version is from January, doesn´t seam so far away.
I've been a member on their forums since sometime in January. I dont think I
have ever seen one of the developers post :( Unlike th eFPC and Lazarus
enviornment.
To: lazarus@miraclec.com
Subject: Re: [lazarus] pascal is obsolete?
On 6/15/06, William Cairns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Like being able to compile Pascal to JavaByte code (Dont send me links on why
FPC cant - I've read them all - I still would like it though)
Althought a nice feature to have
1. class that can have more then one object as it's parent (at this
Multiple Inheretance. Difficult to understand, difficult to implement,
but I have a problem where multiple inheretance was the solution, instead
of multiples interfaces.
2. Powerful containers for class usage such as class X
On 6/15/06, ik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
10. The infamous support of ... for infinite' parameters (You can
make open array's to work like that).
You can do that with a array of const type. Then you type:
Proc(param1, [param2, param3, param4,.])
Declared as:
procedure Proc(param1: Type;
On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
4. The amount of classes that comes with Java as part of the compiler :P
Can live with them. Make your own libraries.
i think that is wrong thinking. one of the reasons i was drawn to
freepascal, and then lazarus, being a java
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