Re: [leaf-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Paul G Rogers wrote: Tom, there's an ancient expression, the fox knows many things, the hedgehog knows just one thing. I don't prend to understand all the complications, but I do understand the internet environment is not getting any safer--it's getting more dangerous. To be sure, the

[leaf-devel] Shorewall 3.4.0 RC3

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
I had hoped to be able to avoid another RC but there have been enough changes that I've decided that the safe thing to do is to release RC3. http://www1.shorewall.net/pub/shorewall/development/3.4/shorewall-3.4.0-RC3/ ftp://ftp1.shorewall.net/pub/shorewall/development/3.4/shorewall-3.4.0-RC3/

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 16:02, Tom Eastep wrote: snip Activity on the mailing lists and IRC channel has been steadily declining for the last couple of years. This signals to me that the rate at which people are adopting Shorewall is waning (I grant that the documentation has gotten better over

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Natanael Copa wrote: Have you thought of lua? should give you better performance than perl and would still be small enough for embedded. I can't say I have been looking at the shorewall code, but lua is very table oriented, which might be good for your table based config files. I suspect

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Mike Noyes wrote: I'd worry when distributions start dropping Shorewall. That's an indication of decline. Good point. -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool Shoreline, \ http://shorewall.net Washington USA \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key \

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Simon Matter wrote: My question is whether it's possible to use perl for some kind of Shorewall-accelerator. I mean if it would be possible to create a simple shell to perl converter which then runs perl instead of the shell and does exactly the same, then it could be used whenever perl is

[leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, It looks like we need to see how large a perl package for leaf branches is. I'm not having much luck finding embedded builds of the perl engine. I'll keep looking. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sitedocs

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 10:45, Mike Noyes wrote: I'm not having much luck finding embedded builds of the perl engine. I'll keep looking. Everyone, It looks like there are some embedded distributions that successfully built relatively small perl packages. See: CPAN/Ports

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Eastep
Mike Noyes wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 10:45, Mike Noyes wrote: I'm not having much luck finding embedded builds of the perl engine. I'll keep looking. Everyone, It looks like there are some embedded distributions that successfully built relatively small perl packages. See:

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Sonntag, 25. Februar 2007 19:45:53 schrieb Mike Noyes: Everyone, It looks like we need to see how large a perl package for leaf branches is. 344kb for Microperl ( a subset of perl) according to a test package by Eric Spakman

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 11:11, Tom Eastep wrote: If you find one that looks promising, let me know. I assume that it will be limited in some way but I'm used to programming to the greatest common denominator. Tom, KP and Eric found the smallest one Microperl. The other one is Miniperl. I'm not

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 11:11, Tom Eastep wrote: If you find one that looks promising, let me know. I assume that it will be limited in some way but I'm used to programming to the greatest common denominator. Tom, It looks like OpenWrt and NSLU2-Linux have microperl ipkg builds available.

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Eric Spakman
Hi Mike, On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 11:11, Tom Eastep wrote: If you find one that looks promising, let me know. I assume that it will be limited in some way but I'm used to programming to the greatest common denominator. Tom, It looks like OpenWrt and NSLU2-Linux have microperl ipkg builds

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Eric Spakman
Hi Mike, Everyone, It looks like there are some embedded distributions that successfully built relatively small perl packages. See: CPAN/Ports http://www.cpan.org/ports/ Maybe we can glean useful information from existing binary builds to generate our own package. I don't see a lot of

Re: [leaf-devel] Perl

2007-02-25 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 13:22, Eric Spakman wrote: We have indeed, but like Kp said it's around 350 kbytes compressed and only contains the Perl (micro) interpreter. No Perl modules or any other goodies (this would probably the same with the openwrt ipkg). Together with a Shorewall

Re: [leaf-devel] [Shorewall-devel] Future of Shorewall

2007-02-25 Thread Nathan Angelacos
Tom Eastep wrote: Natanael Copa wrote: Have you thought of lua? should give you better performance than perl and would still be small enough for embedded. I can't say I have been looking at the shorewall code, but lua is very table oriented, which might be good for your table based config