Re: [LEAPSECS] DCF 77

2010-12-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 51586ae7-0241-4330-85e4-022bb0d37...@pipe.nl, Nero Imhard writes: On 2010-12-23, at 23:03, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: DCF77 reception in Denmark degrades enormously due to all the fireworks we loft. Euh... the signal is 77.5 KHz. Rather long waves. Have you measured this??? Yes.

Re: [LEAPSECS] DCF 77

2010-12-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/24/2010 11:50 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4d14777e.8000...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: The cached information isn't very useful when the GPS receiver has been off for a while. Coming up on a cold-spare GPS receiver requires that you wait. True, but

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Ian Batten
On 23 Dec 2010, at 20:31, Tony Finch wrote: On 23 Dec 2010, at 07:48, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 66237b3a-3953-43ff-86d6-9ae1befa5...@tcs.wap.org, Jonathan E. Har dis writes: You might want to rephrase that as a trivia question: WHERE under U.S.

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Ian Batten
On 23 Dec 2010, at 16:48, Warner Losh wrote: On 12/23/2010 02:49, Ian Batten wrote: Checking, I see that MSF transmits UTC but also encodes DUT1, so you can derive UK legal time by looking at bits 01B to 16B and *58B. We used to do that for BT equipment, but they gave up, and now (so far

[LEAPSECS] some old leap second history

2010-12-24 Thread Tom Van Baak
Given the question about leap seconds and WWVB, I ran across some old NIST documents that shed light on the evolution of broadcast time services. Dated 1965, NBS Low-Frequency Station WWVB to Broadcast International Unit of Time http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/1721.pdf This (and a

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Rob Seaman
On Dec 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Jonathan E. Hardis wrote: WHERE under U.S. jurisdiction is UTC (no offset) the legal, civil time? Cleaner answers still await, however. Well, a little googling tells us that In Navy Cash, all dates and times are recorded and reported in Greenwich Mean Time

Re: [LEAPSECS] DCF 77

2010-12-24 Thread David Malone
Remember that I am somewhere around 1000km from the transmitter, there isn't that much signal left when it comes here. I'm not sure what the electromagnetic mechanism for the extincion is but it is quite notable. I saw something interesting with the MSF signal in Dublin during some recent

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Tony Finch
On 24 Dec 2010, at 14:29, Ian Batten i...@batten.eu.org wrote: UTC is not _legal_ time in the UK, as Clive points out. De jure perhaps, even though GMT as such no longer exists since funding to maintain it was withdrawn decades ago. Nowadays GMT is for UK civil time purposes a de facto

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Warner Losh
On 12/24/2010 08:51, Rob Seaman wrote: On Dec 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Jonathan E. Hardis wrote: WHERE under U.S. jurisdiction is UTC (no offset) the legal, civil time? Cleaner answers still await, however. Well, a little googling tells us that In Navy Cash, all dates and times are recorded

[LEAPSECS] Merry 55555

2010-12-24 Thread Tom Van Baak
In case you didn't notice -- this year Christmas falls on the beautiful looking MJD 5. Some of the newcomers to the group may not be familiar with MJD (Modified Julian Date). It's used extensively in the timing community (see http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/mjd.html). For those of you with

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Ian Batten
I'd imagine there's been court cases that have decided this as well. I'd be stunned if there were such a court case: a matter in which the difference between GMT and UTC (or, indeed, any other 0.9s difference in timescales) is going to be at issue is hard enough to construct as an

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Tony Finch
On 24 Dec 2010, at 23:54, Ian Batten i...@batten.eu.org wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by Greenwich NTP servers. They are actually across the river in Telehouse. They were part of a millennial government / industry marketing effort to promote the use of NTP on home computers.

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Brian Garrett
Gotta love the more successful than Swatch comment. Ironic on so many levels... Brian -- From: Tony Finch d...@dotat.at Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 4:31 PM To: Leap Second Discussion List leapsecs@leapsecond.com Cc: Leap Second Discussion

Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX and C (Was: Re: ISO Influence)

2010-12-24 Thread Jonathan E. Hardis
On Dec 24, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Rob Seaman wrote: On Dec 23, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Jonathan E. Hardis wrote: WHERE under U.S. jurisdiction is UTC (no offset) the legal, civil time? Cleaner answers still await, however. Commercial aircraft in flight? Close enough. U.S. Flag vessels, and I

Re: [LEAPSECS] [time-nuts] Merry 55555

2010-12-24 Thread Hal Murray
For those of you with vintage Trak 6460 time scale generators (see http:// www.leapsecond.com/pages/trak6460) a special treat will occur at 13:20:00 UTC* on Christmas day. The time at the tone will be 5.5. Once in a lifetime. Neat find. Thanks for sharing. But you can get more.